Comparable Amps

[redsiberian]

I have some small idea of what amps out there are comparable to a CCV.
Anyone have any ideas about what comes close to a CCM?

 

[RoidRage]

I have some small idea of what amps out there are comparable to a CCV.
Anyone have any ideas about what comes close to a CCM?

IMHO... None Compare. NONE.

Roid RAGE

 

[Superunknown]

I have some small idea of what amps out there are comparable to a CCV.
Anyone have any ideas about what comes close to a CCM?

IMHO... None Compare. NONE.

Roid RAGE

+1....NONE!

 

[EXPcustom]

I remember hearing that Mark said if he did not have his amps his next choice would be Cornford amps?

To me Cornfords sound nothing like Camerons.

Not that I think Cornford makes bad amps...

 

[steve_k]

Axe FX?

 

[redsiberian]

Well first off - I agree that there's no direct substitute. I want one. period. But I'm not sure it's a realistic desire.
So given that there are amps in the ballpark of a CCV like a Marsha, Fortin maybe Bray, I'm just wondering what folks consider to be in the ballpark of a CCM.

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

I agree, cornfords sound nothing like camerons and vice versa. Not saying they sound bad, they are great amps. Just not for me...

 

[Superunknown]

My IIC+ or Cameron Ocean Plus are in the ballpark....still not the same though.

 

[rafterman1969]

After playing a Cameron CCV, Marshall JCM2000, MESA MKII C+, Soldano SLO, Wizard, Cornford MKII50, Carol-Ann OD2, Bogner 101B, and Landry LS100 - I chose the Cornford MKII50. It was a toss-up between the Cornford, and the Landry LS100. Cameron would have been my third or fourth choice - as the Wizard is also an incredible amp.

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids. It sounds suspiciously like the Soldano modded JCM800 amps of the 1980's? It's a great amp for sure. Its clean channel wasn't too inspiring though. Maybe experimenting with some alternate tubes would prove to be a little more revealing? If you love the sound of a Marshall JCM800 on radioactive steroids - then the CCV is your amp!

The Landry was a welcome surprise... I was expecting it to be more limited to metal sounds (like the Cameron and Marshall). Its clean channel alone is hard to stop playing on! The LS100 is refreshing new take on the early VH type "plexi" tones. Defined, yet not too focused. It has that lovely natural compression, which really pays tribute to the early Marshall "Plexi" amplifiers... If you're looking for the modded Plexi sound, the LS100 may just be your amp. I would vote this the best new amp for sure!

The Soldano is a Soldano - what else can you say? These are absolute "rock warriors" of the first order! The Soldano SLO100 has its own undisputed sound, and has become staple in every recording studio word-wide. If I would not have found the Cornford, I would have purchased the SLO100. More on that later...

The MESA's all kind of sound the same too me... I've never been a fan of 6L6 based "high-gain" amps. That's ironic, because MESA pretty much invented the concept? The "magic" of the MESA Mark IIC+ (and others) is its ability to stay on top the mix!

The Carol-Ann OD2 is wonderfully "boutique". It has a great Dumble-like clean, and a gain channel that's well worth the price of admission to say the least. Like the Cornford, the Carol-Ann OD2 is a "play before you pay" amplifier. A lot of players are really locked into "production line" like tones... They just don't know it, until they play an amp like this.

The Bogner was a mess IMO! It sounded like a poorly modded Marshall JCM2000 IMO. Maybe I played a "bad" one?

The Wizard is another one that you just have to play. It's an incredible amplifier to say the least. I don't want to compare it to any of the amps I've listed... I'll leave that up to you. Check one out!

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

NOTE: One thing about the Cornford amps... Replace the JJ's preamp tubes with a row of either RCA, reissue Mullards, Sovtek LPS... Just don't use any "short-plate" 12AX7 tubes. The JJ's will "choke" the shit out of the front end! Many players have sold their Cornford's due to this. I'm guessing Paul Cornford is getting a really great price on the JJ's? Better than he would get from Mike M. (at Electro-Harmonix) for a row of the reissue Mullards. Short-plate ECC83/12AX7 tubes (IMO) have no place in an audio circuit. Maybe in a MESA, since those have no compression. The Cornford MKII circuit produces its own natural compression (ala Plexi)... Putting short-plate tubes in produces too much compression, and chokes-off harmonics.

I can sit here all day and try to convince you - but great tone as they say is subjective. The MKII is pronounced in the lower-mids... This is the heart of the Cornford sound IMO. I run 4 x RCA "blackplate" 12AX7's, and a JAN 5751 in the PI socket. I personally feel that the RCA's are the best 12AX7 tubes ever made.
For me, the MKII50 is the "holy grail" of tone! Not only does it have one of the best clean channels I have ever played, its gain channel (with on-board overdrive) is like sonic pussy-juice!

If you were producing your own line of amplifiers, wouldn't you also say; "If I didn't build my own amps - I would play ________ amplifiers? Just a thought...

 

[steve_k]

After playing a Cameron CCV, Marshall JCM2000, MESA MKII C+, Soldano SLO, Wizard, Cornford MKII50, Carol-Ann OD2, Bogner 101B, and Landry LS100 - I chose the Cornford MKII50. It was a toss-up between the Cornford, and the Landry LS100. Cameron would have been my third or fourth choice - as the Wizard is also an incredible amp.

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids. It sounds suspiciously like the Soldano modded JCM800 amps of the 1980's? It's a great amp for sure. Its clean channel wasn't too inspiring though. Maybe experimenting with some alternate tubes would prove to be a little more revealing? If you love the sound of a Marshall JCM800 on radioactive steroids - then the CCV is your amp!

The Landry was a welcome surprise... I was expecting it to be more limited to metal sounds (like the Cameron and Marshall). Its clean channel alone is hard to stop playing on! The LS100 is refreshing new take on the early VH type "plexi" tones. Defined, yet not too focused. It has that lovely natural compression, which really pays tribute to the early Marshall "Plexi" amplifiers... If you're looking for the modded Plexi sound, the LS100 may just be your amp. I would vote this the best new amp for sure!

The Soldano is a Soldano - what else can you say? These are absolute "rock warriors" of the first order! The Soldano SLO100 has its own undisputed sound, and has become staple in every recording studio word-wide. If I would not have found the Cornford, I would have purchased the SLO100. More on that later...

The MESA's all kind of sound the same too me... I've never been a fan of 6L6 based "high-gain" amps. That's ironic, because MESA pretty much invented the concept? The "magic" of the MESA Mark IIC+ (and others) is its ability to stay on top the mix!

The Carol-Ann OD2 is wonderfully "boutique". It has a great Dumble-like clean, and a gain channel that's well worth the price of admission to say the least. Like the Cornford, the Carol-Ann OD2 is a "play before you pay" amplifier. A lot of players are really locked into "production line" like tones... They just don't know it, until they play an amp like this.

The Bogner was a mess IMO! It sounded like a poorly modded Marshall JCM2000 IMO. Maybe I played a "bad" one?

The Wizard is another one that you just have to play. It's an incredible amplifier to say the least. I don't want to compare it to any of the amps I've listed... I'll leave that up to you. Check one out!

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

NOTE: One thing about the Cornford amps... Replace the JJ's preamp tubes with a row of either RCA, reissue Mullards, Sovtek LPS... Just don't use any "short-plate" 12AX7 tubes. The JJ's will "choke" the shit out of the front end! Many players have sold their Cornford's due to this. I'm guessing Paul Cornford is getting a really great price on the JJ's? Better than he would get from Mike M. (at Electro-Harmonix) for a row of the reissue Mullards. Short-plate ECC83/12AX7 tubes (IMO) have no place in an audio circuit. Maybe in a MESA, since those have no compression. The Cornford MKII circuit produces its own natural compression (ala Plexi)... Putting short-plate tubes in produces too much compression, and chokes-off harmonics.

I can sit here all day and try to convince you - but great tone as they say is subjective. The MKII is pronounced in the lower-mids... This is the heart of the Cornford sound IMO. I run 4 x RCA "blackplate" 12AX7's, and a JAN 5751 in the PI socket. I personally feel that the RCA's are the best 12AX7 tubes ever made.
For me, the MKII50 is the "holy grail" of tone! Not only does it have one of the best clean channels I have ever played, its gain channel (with on-board overdrive) is like sonic pussy-juice!

If you were producing your own line of amplifiers, wouldn't you also say; "If I didn't build my own amps - I would play ________ amplifiers? Just a thought...

Good comparison review. Spot on with the Wizards! Never played a Cornford and don't want to even try anything new!

Those damn RCA's are getting impossible to find too.

Steve

 

[RoidRage]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

 

[rafterman1969]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

 

[RoidRage]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

So The Guitar Den had a CCV in stock???

Roid RAGE

 

[rafterman1969]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

So The Guitar Den had a CCV in stock???

Roid RAGE

No. Jeff had one there on consignment. The owner wanted like $3,500.00 for it! It was a great sounding amp, but it was not worth $3,500.00 USD - NO WAY!

The Guitar Den was great for finding vintage gear. He once had a 1974 black Les Paul Custom that I was going to purchase. I went back the next day to pick it up, but he had sold it to James Hetfield! It's now his "Iron Cross" guitar. He even asked me if I wanted to put money down on it... Doh!

 

[RoidRage]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

So The Guitar Den had a CCV in stock???

Roid RAGE

No. Jeff had one there on consignment. The owner wanted like $3,500.00 for it! It was a great sounding amp, but it was not worth $3,500.00 USD - NO WAY!

The Guitar Den was great for finding vintage gear. He once had a 1974 black Les Paul Custom that I was going to purchase. I went back the next day to pick it up, but he had sold it to James Hetfield! It's now his "Iron Cross" guitar. He even asked me if I wanted to put money down on it... Doh!

When I was selling my CCV I had offers of $4,500 for it and I passed. If I saw one for $3,500, I would buy it and flip it within a few days for a quick grand profit. I am glad I didnt sell it though. It is hands down the best amp I have ever owned and one of the best I have ever played....and I have played almost everything. To each is own and I can respect others different opinions

Well Listen... There are plenty of people on this fourm that would buy a CCV for $3,500 in 2 seconds... There are not many CCV's floating around, and I can't see anyone bringing one to a music store and leaving it there on the floor for Demo... It just does not sound right... perhaps I could call the store, and try and find out some info about the owner... Mark would remember anyone he sold one to that's for sure...

No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better... Why not post on the Cornford fourm? There are just none of these floating around... And If I ever saw one in a music store I think I would fall down dead!

RR

 

[rafterman1969]

I don't know about all of that... Too much drama for me.

 

[rafterman1969]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

So The Guitar Den had a CCV in stock???

Roid RAGE

No. Jeff had one there on consignment. The owner wanted like $3,500.00 for it! It was a great sounding amp, but it was not worth $3,500.00 USD - NO WAY!

The Guitar Den was great for finding vintage gear. He once had a 1974 black Les Paul Custom that I was going to purchase. I went back the next day to pick it up, but he had sold it to James Hetfield! It's now his "Iron Cross" guitar. He even asked me if I wanted to put money down on it... Doh!

When I was selling my CCV I had offers of $4,500 for it and I passed. If I saw one for $3,500, I would buy it and flip it within a few days for a quick grand profit. I am glad I didnt sell it though. It is hands down the best amp I have ever owned and one of the best I have ever played....and I have played almost everything. To each is own and I can respect others different opinions

Well Listen... There are plenty of people on this fourm that would buy a CCV for $3,500 in 2 seconds... There are not many CCV's floating around, and I can't see anyone bringing one to a music store and leaving it there on the floor for Demo... It just does not sound right... perhaps I could call the store, and try and find out some info about the owner... Mark would remember anyone he sold one to that's for sure...

No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better... Why not post on the Cornford fourm? There are just none of these floating around... And If I ever saw one in a music store I think I would fall down dead!

RR

"No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better..."

If you're insecure about your purchase - then maybe you should consider selling it for $4,500.00? I'm guessing for that kind of coin, it has to be PTP wired?

Judging by all threads I'm reading here, I'm glad I didn't purchase a Cameron amp. I've never seen anything like this! If even half of what I'm reading here is true, then what would getting any warranty work done be like? If its a PTP wired amp, then repairs are easy. If it's a PCB amp, then things can get a little tricky.

 

[* velcro-fly *]

"No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better..."

If you're insecure about your purchase - then maybe you should consider selling it for $4,500.00? I'm guessing for that kind of coin, it has to be PTP wired?

Judging by all threads I'm reading here, I'm glad I didn't purchase a Cameron amp. I've never seen anything like this! If even half of what I'm reading here is true, then what would getting any warranty work done be like? If its a PTP wired amp, then repairs are easy. If it's a PCB amp, then things can get a little tricky.

J. Cooper Cameron rides again

GainDeli - your meat is dripping

snuck back in, huh?

 

[RoidRage]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

So The Guitar Den had a CCV in stock???

Roid RAGE

No. Jeff had one there on consignment. The owner wanted like $3,500.00 for it! It was a great sounding amp, but it was not worth $3,500.00 USD - NO WAY!

The Guitar Den was great for finding vintage gear. He once had a 1974 black Les Paul Custom that I was going to purchase. I went back the next day to pick it up, but he had sold it to James Hetfield! It's now his "Iron Cross" guitar. He even asked me if I wanted to put money down on it... Doh!

When I was selling my CCV I had offers of $4,500 for it and I passed. If I saw one for $3,500, I would buy it and flip it within a few days for a quick grand profit. I am glad I didnt sell it though. It is hands down the best amp I have ever owned and one of the best I have ever played....and I have played almost everything. To each is own and I can respect others different opinions

Well Listen... There are plenty of people on this fourm that would buy a CCV for $3,500 in 2 seconds... There are not many CCV's floating around, and I can't see anyone bringing one to a music store and leaving it there on the floor for Demo... It just does not sound right... perhaps I could call the store, and try and find out some info about the owner... Mark would remember anyone he sold one to that's for sure...

No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better... Why not post on the Cornford fourm? There are just none of these floating around... And If I ever saw one in a music store I think I would fall down dead!

RR

If you're insecure about your purchase - then maybe you should consider selling it for $4,500.00? I'm guessing for that kind of coin, it has to be PTP wired?

Judging by all threads I'm reading here, I'm glad I didn't purchase a Cameron amp. I've never seen anything like this! If even half of what I'm reading here is true, then what would getting any warranty work done be like? If its a PTP wired amp, then repairs are easy. If it's a PCB amp, then things can get a little tricky.

You Got It All Twisted Bro...

I'm not insecure with my purchase... I paid the regular price for my Custom Made For Me CCV... And I would not sell it for $10,000.

A) Was there something wrong with the one you say you played... And as far as warranty.... No CCV I have ever known of has failed.

B) What cab was it paired with... Cause the CCV is very sensitive to that.

C) I just have issues with you saying it was left on the floor of a music store to be played and tried out by anyone who felt like it? why would a owner of a rare amp put it on the floor of a store selling for $3,500 less the store's commision??? Where a very limited amount of people would even see it?

Sounds Really Funny. Where is the store's location, and what is the name cause I really want to call there, and find out about it.

Why would the guy do that when there have been ones on e-bay selling for $10,000 anyone who has one knows what he has...

Roid RAGE

 

[rafterman1969]

"No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better..."

If you're insecure about your purchase - then maybe you should consider selling it for $4,500.00? I'm guessing for that kind of coin, it has to be PTP wired?

Judging by all threads I'm reading here, I'm glad I didn't purchase a Cameron amp. I've never seen anything like this! If even half of what I'm reading here is true, then what would getting any warranty work done be like? If its a PTP wired amp, then repairs are easy. If it's a PCB amp, then things can get a little tricky.

J. Cooper Cameron rides again

GainDeli - your meat is dripping

snuck back in, huh?

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