Comparable Amps

[rafterman1969]

Playing the CCV was like stepping backwards in time! Kind of fun actually... Lots of harmonics, and great mids.

The Cornford MKII50 turned out to be the amp I took home. IMO, it's tone is world-f#@%ing-class! I wasn't expecting much out of the clean channel... I never do - not when I'm plugging into what's touted as a "high-gain" amplifier.

I have limited experience with Confords... I will Let NICK expand on this...

But they seemed to have a strange midrange, and it no way had the PUNCH or BOTTOM END of a CCV... NO WAY. The CCV is very CAB DEPENDENT... So

Where and who's CCV did you Play...

AND... With What Cab??

RR

I played the Bogner, CCV, Wizard and Mark IIC+ at The Guitar Den, the SLO100 at Guitar Center, and the Cornford was a used (mint) from a local private seller. He also had a Carol-Ann for sale. I used a 2 X 12 Avatar, and 1970's Marshall 4 X 12 with the Cornford and Carol-Ann. I used an early 70's Marshall 4 X 12 with the CCV.

Comparing a CCV to a Cornford is like comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche I guess? They're both great amps - it's just all a matter of what you're looking for in terms of performance. I would feel more comfortable comparing a CCV to a modded Marshall, or maybe a Bogner? The Cornford is a completely different amp. I would compare it more to a Carol-Ann, or a Soldano SLO100.

I know of the "punch" your referring to, and that's just not what I'm looking for at all. I played that modded JCM800 sound for years... I just kind of grew out of it I guess? Or maybe I just grew into the Cornford sound? I will say that the Cornford is hyper-sensitive to tube changes. Switching over to GT EL34M power-tubes completely changed the sound of the amp - in a good way! Brought it more into Marshall-like territory, yet maintains its (what I consider) superior tone. It sounded great with the 6L6's in clean mode, but I knew the gain channel was just begging for a good set of EL34's! The GT EL34M tubes are as close as you're going to get to the original Mullard EL34 tubes. NOTE: Get some while you can!

As far as your "weird midrange" comment is concerned... I could understand if you were to say that about a MESA - but not an MKII? I guess to some it could be considered "weird"? I use to play an SLO100 back in the early 90's, and I think my ears just kind of tuned-in to an "other than Marshall" midrange? That's what I wanted to say about the SLO100 in my original post...

It's also possible that Mark played a Cornford biased with a set of EL34's? I will go out on a limb here, and say that if Cornford amps were made stateside, every amp would ship with a set of EL34's - not 6L6's.

So The Guitar Den had a CCV in stock???

Roid RAGE

No. Jeff had one there on consignment. The owner wanted like $3,500.00 for it! It was a great sounding amp, but it was not worth $3,500.00 USD - NO WAY!

The Guitar Den was great for finding vintage gear. He once had a 1974 black Les Paul Custom that I was going to purchase. I went back the next day to pick it up, but he had sold it to James Hetfield! It's now his "Iron Cross" guitar. He even asked me if I wanted to put money down on it... Doh!

When I was selling my CCV I had offers of $4,500 for it and I passed. If I saw one for $3,500, I would buy it and flip it within a few days for a quick grand profit. I am glad I didnt sell it though. It is hands down the best amp I have ever owned and one of the best I have ever played....and I have played almost everything. To each is own and I can respect others different opinions

Well Listen... There are plenty of people on this fourm that would buy a CCV for $3,500 in 2 seconds... There are not many CCV's floating around, and I can't see anyone bringing one to a music store and leaving it there on the floor for Demo... It just does not sound right... perhaps I could call the store, and try and find out some info about the owner... Mark would remember anyone he sold one to that's for sure...

No Offense but you come on the CAMERON fourm with 3 posts... And start saying how you played a CCV, and you think the Cornford sounds better... Why not post on the Cornford fourm? There are just none of these floating around... And If I ever saw one in a music store I think I would fall down dead!

RR

If you're insecure about your purchase - then maybe you should consider selling it for $4,500.00? I'm guessing for that kind of coin, it has to be PTP wired?

Judging by all threads I'm reading here, I'm glad I didn't purchase a Cameron amp. I've never seen anything like this! If even half of what I'm reading here is true, then what would getting any warranty work done be like? If its a PTP wired amp, then repairs are easy. If it's a PCB amp, then things can get a little tricky.

You Got It All Twisted Bro...

I'm not insecure with my purchase... I paid the regular price for my Custom Made For Me CCV... And I would not sell it for $10,000.

A) Was there something wrong with the one you say you played... And as far as warranty.... No CCV I have ever known of has failed.

B) What cab was it paired with... Cause the CCV is very sensitive to that.

C) I just have issues with you saying it was left on the floor of a music store to be played and tried out by anyone who felt like it? why would a owner of a rare amp put it on the floor of a store selling for $3,500 less the store's commision??? Where a very limited amount of people would even see it?

Sounds Really Funny. Where is the store's location, and what is the name cause I really want to call there, and find out about it.

Why would the guy do that when there have been ones on e-bay selling for $10,000 anyone who has one knows what he has...

Roid RAGE

This was back in July of 09 I think? Jeff closed the shop, and now only sells at the guitar shows and on ebay. It's ironic really... Jeff always complained about ebay sellers!

The CCV was not set-up so just anyone could play. The owner originally brought it in to trade, but Jeff wouldn't give him what he wanted for it. I was in the store when the guy originally brought it in, and expressed interest in it. I played it for maybe 20 min. He left it in the store to sell on consignment, but it didn't sell. I know it was in there for at least 1 full week... Trust me - I was calling every day to see if he had dropped the price on it. he ended up picking it back up, and that was that. As far as it being a damaged amp, I don't think so. It sounded too good to be a "bad" amp!

Didn't the thread title read: "Comparable Amps"? I didn't mean to disceredit the CCV at all. I was just trying to elaborate on my personal tone-quest adventures. I guess it's possible that the CCV wasn't up to snuff? The first MKII50 that I purchased had a really weird "ghost-note" issue. Everyone else kept insisting that the amp was fine. Well, the one I have now doesn't exhibit any of the issue of the first one. It sounds absolutely incredible! The addition of the EL34's has turned it into a tone fucking monster!

I played the CCv through a 70's 4X12 (Damn this is a good cheeseburger!) cab. I use a Cornford 4X12 loaded with Vintage 30's. I used the acetone trick to smooth-out the mid response. Nice increase in bass too!

 

[EXPcustom]

Guitar Den in Florida?

I could have sworn Hetfield got his 74 Iron Cross from Neal in LA?

Also CCVs have been selling for 5k since the last 18 months.

 

[steve_k]

Played a lot of fine amps. Never heard anything compare. Not to say there may not be a better high gain amp, just nothing to compare tones to.

The Wizard MC is close in pleasure to play. The Jerry modded Marshall is satisfying too. Neither compare though.


Steve

 

[rafterman1969]

Guitar Den in Florida?

I could have sworn Hetfield got his 74 Iron Cross from Neal in LA?

Also CCVs have been selling for 5k since the last 18 months.

Yes, Guitar Den in Orlando.

The guitar was strictly black, with no additions to it. Maybe he used a different LP to turn into the IC model? You can see it just as it was when I played it in the "Some Kind Of Monster" documentary. It was slightly worn at the top. I don't think it was the first guitar that James purchased from Jeff either. Kirk Hammett was in there tooling around form what I heard. I do know Kirk had Doug Montgomery (Guitar Factory in Orlando) build him a nice Strat style guitar.

5K you say? Ferrrrrrt! No way! I saw one listed on ebay for less, and it didn't sell? It ran for 7 days too.

Again, I've played one, and I've heard the clips. You have to understand that I'm not a 80's hair-metal player. My first record album was (K-Tel compilations don't count) Ziggy Stardust/Spiders, then Grand Funk Railroad. My first concert was Peter Frampton w/Kansas in 77. I was already listening to Deep Purple, Rainbow, Ted Nugent/Amboy Dukes, Quick Silver MS, Mott The Hoople Live w/ Luther Grosvenor (aka Ariel Bender), Heart, Queen, Aerosmith, Little Feat, Lynard Skynard, REO, Free, Frank Marino, Led Zeppelin, Bowie, Armageddon, Yardbirds, Mick Ronson, Gram Parsons, Jeff Beck Group, Faces, Chet Atkins, Glenn Campbell, Albert Lee... among others.

I played all of the amps at various levels using both LP, and Strat guitars. LP only with the CCV. The Cameron CCV sounded great, but it's certainly not the amp I'd choose to play any of the music that influenced me. It has that "cover your mistakes" kind of high-gain thing happening. Even someone who's not that good can sound decent with a CCV. That's cool - but it's just not my thing... As a matter of fact, I've played Cameron Modded Marshall's that I think sounded better.

The Cornford really makes you work for your meal - so to speak. No way will you get away with "sloppy-chops" on a Cornford. They're both great amps. I prefer the Cornford.

 

[glip22]

Guitar Den in Florida?

I could have sworn Hetfield got his 74 Iron Cross from Neal in LA?

Also CCVs have been selling for 5k since the last 18 months.

Yes, Guitar Den in Orlando.

The guitar was strictly black, with no additions to it. Maybe he used a different LP to turn into the IC model? You can see it just as it was when I played it in the "Some Kind Of Monster" documentary. It was slightly worn at the top. I don't think it was the first guitar that James purchased from Jeff either. Kirk Hammett was in there tooling around form what I heard. I do know Kirk had Doug Montgomery (Guitar Factory in Orlando) build him a nice Strat style guitar.

5K you say? Ferrrrrrt! No way! I saw one listed on ebay for less, and it didn't sell? It ran for 7 days too.

Again, I've played one, and I've heard the clips. You have to understand that I'm not a 80's hair-metal player. My first record album was (K-Tel compilations don't count) Ziggy Stardust/Spiders, then Grand Funk Railroad. My first concert was Peter Frampton w/Kansas in 77. I was already listening to Deep Purple, Rainbow, Ted Nugent/Amboy Dukes, Quick Silver MS, Mott The Hoople Live w/ Luther Grosvenor (aka Ariel Bender), Heart, Queen, Aerosmith, Little Feat, Lynard Skynard, REO, Free, Frank Marino, Led Zeppelin, Bowie, Armageddon, Yardbirds, Mick Ronson, Gram Parsons, Jeff Beck Group, Faces, Chet Atkins, Glenn Campbell, Albert Lee... among others.

I played all of the amps at various levels using both LP, and Strat guitars. LP only with the CCV. The Cameron CCV sounded great, but it's certainly not the amp I'd choose to play any of the music that influenced me. It has that "cover your mistakes" kind of high-gain thing happening. Even someone who's not that good can sound decent with a CCV. That's cool - but it's just not my thing... As a matter of fact, I've played Cameron Modded Marshall's that I think sounded better.

The Cornford really makes you work for your meal - so to speak. No way will you get away with "sloppy-chops" on a Cornford. They're both great amps. I prefer the Cornford.

I have a Wizard and a Cornford MK50H. I have been wanting to try out the CCV, but I am afraid of the gas I may get. I love my amps now.
You are a marlin that dove into the shark pool on this page. Your speed is only going to last so long. You should jump out now and be safe.Trust me Bro.

 

[jcj]

Played a lot of fine amps. Never heard anything compare. Not to say there may not be a better high gain amp, just nothing to compare tones to.

The Wizard MC is close in pleasure to play. The Jerry modded Marshall is satisfying too. Neither compare though.


Steve

I agree with this 100%.

It's a very unique sound/feel.

 

[Superunknown]

Guitar Den in Florida?

I could have sworn Hetfield got his 74 Iron Cross from Neal in LA?

Also CCVs have been selling for 5k since the last 18 months.

Yes, Guitar Den in Orlando.

The guitar was strictly black, with no additions to it. Maybe he used a different LP to turn into the IC model? You can see it just as it was when I played it in the "Some Kind Of Monster" documentary. It was slightly worn at the top. I don't think it was the first guitar that James purchased from Jeff either. Kirk Hammett was in there tooling around form what I heard. I do know Kirk had Doug Montgomery (Guitar Factory in Orlando) build him a nice Strat style guitar.

5K you say? Ferrrrrrt! No way! I saw one listed on ebay for less, and it didn't sell? It ran for 7 days too.

Again, I've played one, and I've heard the clips. You have to understand that I'm not a 80's hair-metal player. My first record album was (K-Tel compilations don't count) Ziggy Stardust/Spiders, then Grand Funk Railroad. My first concert was Peter Frampton w/Kansas in 77. I was already listening to Deep Purple, Rainbow, Ted Nugent/Amboy Dukes, Quick Silver MS, Mott The Hoople Live w/ Luther Grosvenor (aka Ariel Bender), Heart, Queen, Aerosmith, Little Feat, Lynard Skynard, REO, Free, Frank Marino, Led Zeppelin, Bowie, Armageddon, Yardbirds, Mick Ronson, Gram Parsons, Jeff Beck Group, Faces, Chet Atkins, Glenn Campbell, Albert Lee... among others.

I played all of the amps at various levels using both LP, and Strat guitars. LP only with the CCV. The Cameron CCV sounded great, but it's certainly not the amp I'd choose to play any of the music that influenced me. It has that "cover your mistakes" kind of high-gain thing happening. Even someone who's not that good can sound decent with a CCV. That's cool - but it's just not my thing... As a matter of fact, I've played Cameron Modded Marshall's that I think sounded better.

The Cornford really makes you work for your meal - so to speak. No way will you get away with "sloppy-chops" on a Cornford. They're both great amps. I prefer the Cornford.

Glad you dig your Cornford! Paul certainly builds a great amp....and although they are not for me, I would never randomly show up on his forum just to put down his product in an attempt to build up the amp that I play. Talk about being "insecure with your purchase"....

Regarding the "cover your mistakes comment"....Personally, I have never understood or agreed with the notion that it was necessary for a player to have to fight with an amp or "work for your meal" in order to sound good/make great music. Great tone is great tone period! I have found my CCV to be very responsive, articulate and true in terms of allowing a players touch to shine through. It is one of the best amps that I have ever played.......and I happen to be fortunate enough to actually own a few good ones.

Finally, I spoke with Mark earlier this morning and asked him if he had ever sold or shipped a CCV to Florida.....he told me no. So I, like many others on here, doubt that you have played a CCV.

 

[rafterman1969]

Guitar Den in Florida?

I could have sworn Hetfield got his 74 Iron Cross from Neal in LA?

Also CCVs have been selling for 5k since the last 18 months.

Yes, Guitar Den in Orlando.

The guitar was strictly black, with no additions to it. Maybe he used a different LP to turn into the IC model? You can see it just as it was when I played it in the "Some Kind Of Monster" documentary. It was slightly worn at the top. I don't think it was the first guitar that James purchased from Jeff either. Kirk Hammett was in there tooling around form what I heard. I do know Kirk had Doug Montgomery (Guitar Factory in Orlando) build him a nice Strat style guitar.

5K you say? Ferrrrrrt! No way! I saw one listed on ebay for less, and it didn't sell? It ran for 7 days too.

Again, I've played one, and I've heard the clips. You have to understand that I'm not a 80's hair-metal player. My first record album was (K-Tel compilations don't count) Ziggy Stardust/Spiders, then Grand Funk Railroad. My first concert was Peter Frampton w/Kansas in 77. I was already listening to Deep Purple, Rainbow, Ted Nugent/Amboy Dukes, Quick Silver MS, Mott The Hoople Live w/ Luther Grosvenor (aka Ariel Bender), Heart, Queen, Aerosmith, Little Feat, Lynard Skynard, REO, Free, Frank Marino, Led Zeppelin, Bowie, Armageddon, Yardbirds, Mick Ronson, Gram Parsons, Jeff Beck Group, Faces, Chet Atkins, Glenn Campbell, Albert Lee... among others.

I played all of the amps at various levels using both LP, and Strat guitars. LP only with the CCV. The Cameron CCV sounded great, but it's certainly not the amp I'd choose to play any of the music that influenced me. It has that "cover your mistakes" kind of high-gain thing happening. Even someone who's not that good can sound decent with a CCV. That's cool - but it's just not my thing... As a matter of fact, I've played Cameron Modded Marshall's that I think sounded better.

The Cornford really makes you work for your meal - so to speak. No way will you get away with "sloppy-chops" on a Cornford. They're both great amps. I prefer the Cornford.

Glad you dig your Cornford! Paul certainly builds a great amp....and although they are not for me, I would never randomly show up on his forum just to put down his product in an attempt to build up the amp that I play. Talk about being "insecure with your purchase"....

Regarding the "cover your mistakes comment"....Personally, I have never understood or agreed with the notion that it was necessary for a player to have to fight with an amp or "work for your meal" in order to sound good/make great music. Great tone is great tone period! I have found my CCV to be very responsive, articulate and true in terms of allowing a players touch to shine through. It is one of the best amps that I have ever played.......and I happen to be fortunate enough to actually own a few good ones.

Finally, I spoke with Mark earlier this morning and asked him if he had ever sold or shipped a CCV to Florida.....he told me no. So I, like many others on here, doubt that you have played a CCV.

Gee, that's funny... A RT forum member was selling a CCV on ebay a few moths back, and he resides in Tampa, FL! He told my friend Mark that he purchased it directly from Cameron Amplification. He said it was shipped to him from CA. There seems to be a bit of a paradox here...

Please note: The thread reads "Comparable Amps" - does it not? What you want, is for me to get on here and say that the CCV is the greatest amp ever built. Well, it isn't! I listed several amps that I compared, and chose the Cornford over the rest. If you cannot deal with the fact that the CCV is not the "be-all" amp to everyone who plays it, then I don't know what to say? It's a great METAL amp - that's it. I've played 2 Cameron modded amps, and a CCV. IMO, the modded Marshall's sounded better than the CCV. I've listened to the clips, and again - I'm hearing a great sounding METAL amplifier.

If you think that the Cameron amps are the best amps in the world, then that's your right to think that... But don't expect everyone else to agree with you dude. There's nothing unique about the sound of the CCV IMO. It sounds like a well modded Marshall - nothing more. However - the word "unique" defines the Cornford MKII50 to a T! No other amp out there sounds like a Cornford - no way! I would love own a CCV - if I played with an 80's style Metal sound, but I don't. Judging by all the drama I'm reading here, I'd hate to have put my thumb up my ass waiting for it to arrive... What's up with that?

The first Cornford MKII50 belonged to Steve Henderlong of 39 Stripes. Had two of them, and sold one. He uses mainly a Carol-Ann OD2, and a Cornford MKII50. Check out his new video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FIPmtUP2pQ

 

[RoidRage]

Please note: The thread reads "Comparable Amps" - does it not? What you want, is for me to get on here and say that the CCV is the greatest amp ever built. Well, it isn't! I listed several amps that I compared, and chose the Cornford over the rest. If you cannot deal with the fact that the CCV is not the "be-all" amp to everyone who plays it, then I don't know what to say? It's a great METAL amp - that's it. I've played 2 Cameron modded amps, and a CCV. IMO, the modded Marshall's sounded better than the CCV. I've listened to the clips, and again - I'm hearing a great sounding METAL amplifier.

If you think that the Cameron amps are the best amps in the world, then that's your right to think that... But don't expect everyone else to agree with you dude. There's nothing unique about the sound of the CCV IMO. It sounds like a well modded Marshall - nothing more. However - the word "unique" defines the Cornford MKII50 to a T! No other amp out there sounds like a Cornford - no way! I would love own a CCV - if I played with an 80's style Metal sound, but I don't. Judging by all the drama I'm reading here, I'd hate to have put my thumb up my ass waiting for it to arrive... What's up with that?

Look Dude...

Most of us play Metal here... And I would put SuperUnknown's Chops up against yours any day. Secondly We go through amps here like people change their socks... I have a 30 year old Brand New Condition Marshall JMP that has been modded to the hilt... I also have a Diezel HERBERT that has been Modded a $5,000 head... With a MILLS Cabinet... An Egnater Renegade, and TM212 cab for a practice amp, and at least a half dozen other big name amps. I have spent thousands just changing speakers around... I'm an Audiophile that has a $250,000 Tube/Analogue HI-FI.... So what I'm saying is I'm OCD, and I KNOW SOUND, and with the Cameron CAB.. The CCV to me is the End All Amp PERIOD!

I don't like the Cornford... They're BRIGHT to me... But then I'm not on the Cornford forum am I, I'm on the CAMERON Forum, and we are all here cause we are like minded individuals... Have you come here to antagonize? Especially with 3 POSTS!!! That's not a way to make friends dude. Are you A Troll? I mean... It's like if this was the Conservative Republican's Club, and you came here being a Progressive Socialist it would only be to get into a fight... Right? Right.

Ok.. So we get it, you like Cornfords... So maybe it's time to move on?

Thanks...

Roid RAGE

 

[* velcro-fly *]

Have you come here to antagonize? Especially with 3 POSTS!!! That's not a way to make friends dude. Are you A Troll?

Ok.. So we get it, you like Cornfords... So maybe it's time to move on?

Thanks...

Roid RAGE

A troll ? so far beyond troll.... it's J. Cooper Cameron in all his glory. nuff said.

 

[rafterman1969]

Please note: The thread reads "Comparable Amps" - does it not? What you want, is for me to get on here and say that the CCV is the greatest amp ever built. Well, it isn't! I listed several amps that I compared, and chose the Cornford over the rest. If you cannot deal with the fact that the CCV is not the "be-all" amp to everyone who plays it, then I don't know what to say? It's a great METAL amp - that's it. I've played 2 Cameron modded amps, and a CCV. IMO, the modded Marshall's sounded better than the CCV. I've listened to the clips, and again - I'm hearing a great sounding METAL amplifier.

If you think that the Cameron amps are the best amps in the world, then that's your right to think that... But don't expect everyone else to agree with you dude. There's nothing unique about the sound of the CCV IMO. It sounds like a well modded Marshall - nothing more. However - the word "unique" defines the Cornford MKII50 to a T! No other amp out there sounds like a Cornford - no way! I would love own a CCV - if I played with an 80's style Metal sound, but I don't. Judging by all the drama I'm reading here, I'd hate to have put my thumb up my ass waiting for it to arrive... What's up with that?

Look Dude...

Most of us play Metal here... And I would put SuperUnknown's Chops up against yours any day. Secondly We go through amps here like people change their socks... I have a 30 year old Brand New Condition Marshall JMP that has been modded to the hilt... I also have a Diezel HERBERT that has been Modded a $5,000 head... With a MILLS Cabinet... An Egnater Renegade, and TM212 cab for a practice amp, and at least a half dozen other big name amps. I have spent thousands just changing speakers around... I'm an Audiophile that has a $250,000 Tube/Analogue HI-FI.... So what I'm saying is I'm OCD, and I KNOW SOUND, and with the Cameron CAB.. The CCV to me is the End All Amp PERIOD!

I don't like the Cornford... They're BRIGHT to me... But then I'm not on the Cornford forum am I, I'm on the CAMERON Forum, and we are all here cause we are like minded individuals... Have you come here to antagonize? Especially with 3 POSTS!!! That's not a way to make friends dude. Are you A Troll? I mean... It's like if this was the Conservative Republican's Club, and you came here being a Progressive Socialist it would only be to get into a fight... Right? Right.

Ok.. So we get it, you like Cornfords... So maybe it's time to move on?

Thanks...

Roid RAGE

Wow! You are a total fucking kook...

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

lol this shit is funny

 

[glip22]

Yay!!!

 

[Hollywood]

lol this shit is funny

I was gonna go see the movie IRON MAN II but this shit is amusing as hell and nobody has exploded yet.
I guess the real irony here is someone new wants to have an opinion, and they do obviously. But in the end because the majority rule does not acccept them and their opinions as regularity, they get upset, defensive, even harsh and rude.
The fact remains that the ole saying ' Practice what ya preach' applies here.
Thicker skin for our newest friend is in order and application of 'We agree to dissagree' between Roid and our newest friend most definately is over due.
I will say that my experiences with Roid are, he is fiercely loyal most times when it is deserving.
But if ya slow this thread down and re-read it, a few good samaritans threw our new buddy a lifeline to start positive get along posting but he only took the re-directs to Roid. So all in all maybe just coincedences mounted up, or a real live shit stirrer/troll exists.
But I am sure the Cornford amps are awesome.
But I am a Wizard guy in that price range.
And why? because 'TONE IS TONE'
And Wizards give Tone like there is no tomorrow!
So do Cameron's ...........never played a Cornford yet.
.GO EASY FELLOWS!

 

[glip22]

I like this guy. In actuality he's no dummie and he is welcome here in my book. Not that I am even welcome What's up dude, Camerons suck

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

ahhh come on boys, its all good. Cornfords are great, so are camerons... different strokes for different folks. I know Jay Strange was from Florida and has a ccv...

i swear... today at work i tried every amp we had, and they all sucked compared to my camerons lol .... closest i got was a mark 5 boogie and that wasn't even CLOSE lol although i got some ok tones out of it... the bass is just farty ....yuck!

 

[steve_k]

bring it on......i'm ready now!

 

[steve_k]

ahhh come on boys, its all good. Cornfords are great, so are camerons... different strokes for different folks. I know Jay Strange was from Florida and has a ccv...

i swear... today at work i tried every amp we had, and they all sucked compared to my camerons lol .... closest i got was a mark 5 boogie and that wasn't even CLOSE lol although i got some ok tones out of it... the bass is just farty ....yuck!

Definitely no CCV in a MkV. Just sold mine last month after several months of holding the door open for moving other stuff around. No bottom end to even come close to a Cameron. Channel 3 way to grainy. Channel 2 gets a decent 800 tone, especially if you run a quad of 34's in it. There is nothing in my arsenal, except a Cameron - that can deliver the bottom end like I like it (and most of us it seems like the same) plus deliver the highs that will stay together at the same time and allow the mids to cut through. Some amps do one or two well, but the CCV is the only one that will do all three that I have played or owned. Most of us seem to have gone around the same circle in that respect.

Steve

 

[rafterman1969]

lol this shit is funny

I was gonna go see the movie IRON MAN II but this shit is amusing as hell and nobody has exploded yet.
I guess the real irony here is someone new wants to have an opinion, and they do obviously. But in the end because the majority rule does not acccept them and their opinions as regularity, they get upset, defensive, even harsh and rude.
The fact remains that the ole saying ' Practice what ya preach' applies here.
Thicker skin for our newest friend is in order and application of 'We agree to dissagree' between Roid and our newest friend most definately is over due.
I will say that my experiences with Roid are, he is fiercely loyal most times when it is deserving.
But if ya slow this thread down and re-read it, a few good samaritans threw our new buddy a lifeline to start positive get along posting but he only took the re-directs to Roid. So all in all maybe just coincedences mounted up, or a real live shit stirrer/troll exists.
But I am sure the Cornford amps are awesome.
But I am a Wizard guy in that price range.
And why? because 'TONE IS TONE'
And Wizards give Tone like there is no tomorrow!
So do Cameron's ...........never played a Cornford yet.
.GO EASY FELLOWS!

Thanks man! My next amp will be a Wizard, or a Landry for sure. The Landry is a smoooooth mo-fo! It almost sounds mixed right out of the box. I think they're all PTP wired too, but I'm not sure? Like the Cornford - the Wizard has a sound all it's own. The thing about the Cornford is that they ship with 6L6 tubes, and JJ's 12AX7 preamp tubes - which I hate! Short-plate tubes (IMO) have no business in an audio circuit. Maybe in a MESA, since those amps don't have any compression. 6L6 tubes sound great for clean tones, but for Rock I prefer EL34's all the way. I put a row of BP RCA 12AX7's, with a set of GT EL34-M's! Anyone who plays a Cornford MKII50 with it's "out of the box" tube configuration is NOT hearing what the Cornford was meant to sound like... No way! I don't know why they're fitted and bias with 6L6 tubes? I've spoken with Martin Kidd, and he prefers the EL34's and long-plate ECC83 tubes himself... My guess is that Paul Cornford (who is not an amp builder or tech) is getting a better deal on JJ's tubes?

Martin Kidd designs and build every MKII50 that leaves the Cornford factory. I think what I like best is the natural compression in the MKII circuit. What led me to the Cornford was Mark's comment "If I didn't build my own amps, I'd play Cornford... Or something like that? The first one I had didn't sound so hot... It had weird "ghost-note" issues, and a brittle sounding top-end. I was listening to clips of other MKII's thinking; "Mine didn't sound like that...? I decided to try another one, and it didn't exhibit any of the issues of the first one. Maybe there's good and bad amps? Maybe mine was damaged? I still didn't like the gain channel with the 6L6's, and the JJ's are just harmonically challenged IMO. Once I threw a set of EL34's in with the NOS RCA's, it was like pulling a blanket off the amp!

I would have liked to spend more time with the CCV for sure. Unless I can get an amp up to stage volume, I can't be 100% on it's abilities? I did get to push it a bit, but not with a drummer. I'm not a big fan of MESA amps, but if your playing an a band situation, it's hard to find an amp that will "cut-through" like a MESA Mark series amp. In the right hands a MESA is king! That's one of the benefits of 6L6 tubes. When you push them through a V30 loaded cabinet, they're like a fucking bulldozer! A fucking wrecking ball with a 12" EVM12L! They just don't sound that good at lower volumes IMO. The Soldano SLO100 is another "head-chopper"! They almost sound bad at low volume... When you get that MV past 5 - it's all over baby!

Gary Morre has a specially built Cornford 100 watt MKII loaded with EL34's and Mullard ECC83's! The waiting list on the MKII is like 6 to 12 months. So I guess Mark Cameron isn't really doing too bad if the production time is 10 months...

 

[rafterman1969]

ahhh come on boys, its all good. Cornfords are great, so are camerons... different strokes for different folks. I know Jay Strange was from Florida and has a ccv...

i swear... today at work i tried every amp we had, and they all sucked compared to my camerons lol .... closest i got was a mark 5 boogie and that wasn't even CLOSE lol although i got some ok tones out of it... the bass is just farty ....yuck!

Definitely no CCV in a MkV. Just sold mine last month after several months of holding the door open for moving other stuff around. No bottom end to even come close to a Cameron. Channel 3 way to grainy. Channel 2 gets a decent 800 tone, especially if you run a quad of 34's in it. There is nothing in my arsenal, except a Cameron - that can deliver the bottom end like I like it (and most of us it seems like the same) plus deliver the highs that will stay together at the same time and allow the mids to cut through. Some amps do one or two well, but the CCV is the only one that will do all three that I have played or owned. Most of us seem to have gone around the same circle in that respect.

Steve

This is exactly how i would describe the MKII50 with EL34's and RCA 12AX7's... I keep my bass control on 2! The MKII50 is cabinet-dependent though. I use a Cornford pine MK 4X12 cab.