Comparable Amps

[rafterman1969]

For what its Worth, I think that you are a bit Kooky but in a totally good way and I can guarantee you that I would say that to your face

IMHO, I dont think that Echodrive came off as a douche and pretty much gave his opinion based on the topic. If hes being a troll, hes being a very benign one IMO.I dont agree with him and for me, Cornfords just dont do it even though Ive heard glorious tones come out of them, I cant make them work for me.

As far as Marks amps go, Ive played no less than a dozen of his modded Marshalls and maybe 6 CCV's and 2 or 3 CCM's. the odd thing is that Every single one of his modded Marshalls were friggin KILLER but I couldnt connect with any of the Cameron Amps except one CCV at the NY amp show last year and the year before maybe.... Strange indeed..

BTW, where are you in NY? Im in Manhattan in the East Village...

Kage...

Well thanks for you kooky in a "Good Way" remark... I think?

In any case Never Called him a Douche... Check above... I really don't like getting into internet name calling... I've always found much greater satisfaction in arguing with someone in person!

In any case Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I would be the first to fight for that! It's just that there are not many CCV owners, and we are for the most part a tight group, and love our amps... Cameron for what ever reason you wish to apply has a pretty loyal following, I'm friends with Mark, and dislike the bashing... and this guy sorta went there too. Mark is a good guy that's a terrible business man... He had an agreement with a business partner that totally screwed him over, and has put him in a bad position from which he is constantly trying to play catch up.

None the less... I understand some customers frustration. But am confident that Mark sooner or later will make everything right.

Other than that... I say that just maybe this guy in his vociferous proclamation of Cornfords superiority to a CCV might have been better served in another location... I.E. the Cornford Thread? When a group of people are passionate about what they own... Is it being a good Citizen to come into their midst and be a detractor?

I for one No, that if he went on the Cornford forum, and said... Hey I think my Cornford KILLS a CCV he would have been more enthusiastically received even though a Stranger... I for one would never post a rebuttal over there... NEVER, they are there because of what they believe... As we are here because of our beliefs...

I'm just saying... when you come into a community... It might have been better served not to be insightful that tis all...

I'm Upstate BTW.

And... Interesting that you say you played 2 or 3 CCM's.. AFAIK there are only 2 in exsistance... One being Chris Schmidt's that you probably played at the show last year in NY...

R RAGE

Bro, please dont Misunderstand anything that I said, I have ZERO problems or issues with you or anything that you said, especially in light of what Steve(Velcro) brought up.

RE the CCM's, one was Black Tolex and the other was Snakeskin I believe. I played them at the NY show as well as at Paige(Amplifire's) home when we all got together a year or 2 ago..

Carry on

Kage

Excellent tone! No doubt about it.

 

[rafterman1969]

Please note: The thread reads "Comparable Amps" - does it not? What you want, is for me to get on here and say that the CCV is the greatest amp ever built. Well, it isn't! I listed several amps that I compared, and chose the Cornford over the rest. If you cannot deal with the fact that the CCV is not the "be-all" amp to everyone who plays it, then I don't know what to say? It's a great METAL amp - that's it. I've played 2 Cameron modded amps, and a CCV. IMO, the modded Marshall's sounded better than the CCV. I've listened to the clips, and again - I'm hearing a great sounding METAL amplifier.

If you think that the Cameron amps are the best amps in the world, then that's your right to think that... But don't expect everyone else to agree with you dude. There's nothing unique about the sound of the CCV IMO. It sounds like a well modded Marshall - nothing more. However - the word "unique" defines the Cornford MKII50 to a T! No other amp out there sounds like a Cornford - no way! I would love own a CCV - if I played with an 80's style Metal sound, but I don't. Judging by all the drama I'm reading here, I'd hate to have put my thumb up my ass waiting for it to arrive... What's up with that?

Look Dude...

Most of us play Metal here... And I would put SuperUnknown's Chops up against yours any day. Secondly We go through amps here like people change their socks... I have a 30 year old Brand New Condition Marshall JMP that has been modded to the hilt... I also have a Diezel HERBERT that has been Modded a $5,000 head... With a MILLS Cabinet... An Egnater Renegade, and TM212 cab for a practice amp, and at least a half dozen other big name amps. I have spent thousands just changing speakers around... I'm an Audiophile that has a $250,000 Tube/Analogue HI-FI.... So what I'm saying is I'm OCD, and I KNOW SOUND, and with the Cameron CAB.. The CCV to me is the End All Amp PERIOD!

I don't like the Cornford... They're BRIGHT to me... But then I'm not on the Cornford forum am I, I'm on the CAMERON Forum, and we are all here cause we are like minded individuals... Have you come here to antagonize? Especially with 3 POSTS!!! That's not a way to make friends dude. Are you A Troll? I mean... It's like if this was the Conservative Republican's Club, and you came here being a Progressive Socialist it would only be to get into a fight... Right? Right.

Ok.. So we get it, you like Cornfords... So maybe it's time to move on?

Thanks...

Roid RAGE

Wow! You are a total fucking kook...

It figures you would resort to name calling...

I never get involved in stuff like that over the internet it's so easy for cowards to be brave behind a computer screen... Guaranteed you would never say it to my face

Carry on...

RR

I knew a guy like you... He was actually my best friend. We both started lifting weights together (Olympic lifting). He eventually got into body-building. I guess he thought that if he lifted weights, he would be able beat-up everyone in the world? He eventually started taking oral steriods, and advanced to Dianabol Methandrostenolone. He got so fucking huge it was crazy! The psychological effects were frightening to say the least. The people at Weider wanted to sponsor him. They even offered to fly him out to Santa Monica to train with them.

One night we went to downtown Orlando, where we ran some guy that Elliott worked with. Apparently they were both after the same girl. They began talking smack to each other, until eventually a fight ensued! Now, this guy was maybe 160 lbs max., and about 5' 10" tall. Elliott stands 6' 1", and was an easy 220, with no body visible body fat. He once bench-pressed 500 lbs! Well, this "bone-rack" as Elliott called him - fucked him up! It was actually kind of funny really... I mean, it really straightened him up quite a bit - because like you, he lived with the illusion that he could just beat-up anyone who wasn't as big as him. It would have been a lot cheaper (and healthier) to have learned how to box! He was no street-fighter either, so that fight was pretty much over before it began.

I hadn't seen him in over 20 years, so I tracked him down last year. He was nowhere as big as he was, but then again I now weigh 243 lbs. I weighed like 170 the last time I saw him. But he didn't have that "roided-out" look to him anymore. He said that he lost 30 lbs of muscle weight when he quit using the dope. He had been getting facial treatments done, as the roids really fucked his skin up... Bad acne!!! His skin has stretch marks all over the place. Apparently he started having health issues (liver I think?) from the steriod use.

You don't even know me - yet you're issuing threats? If you and I met, you would probably think that I'm a really cool person. But remember - I like chicks only! No slippin the skin-bannana in this plentiful bounty!

I'm not trying fuck with you here, but that flexing arm avatar photo is just about the most homosexual looking image ever! You have GOT to change that avatar bro! If you're gay, then that's cool... If that's how you roll, then suck it belongs to Rob Halford I say.

No worries guy... I'm totally confident in my masculinity... And Being big has nothing to do with being tuff... And I guarantee you have never known anyone like me... And I'm certainly not like your friend.

Funny how you mentioned boxing... I trained At Gleasons Gym in Brooklyn for 5 years... I would love to meet you in person, so you can open your big mouth to me face to face... Going to the NY amp show perhaps!

Have fun tuff guy... Maybe I'll see you there?

RR

Now you're physically threatening me? Nice one RR... Real nice.

Show me where I threatened you... You are the one talking about fighting... Calling names. I'm Gay, my Avatar is gay... Saying your friend was big too but not tuff... AND GOT HIS ASS KICKED WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

I NEVER ONCE CALLED YOU A NAME! NOT ONCE.

I NEVER INSULTED YOU! NOT ONCE!

THE ONLY THING I DID WAS QUESTION YOU COMING HERE, AND INSTIGATING... THAT IS ALL.

YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB... ARE YOU HAPPY? YOU GOT ME! NOW YOU CAN SIT IN YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GIGGLE.

I LET A CHILD GET TO ME!!!

GO AWAY!

Show you were? Here you go...

"I would love to meet you in person, so you can open your big mouth to me face to face... Going to the NY amp show perhaps!

Have fun tuff guy... Maybe I'll see you there?"

If that isn't a threat, I'll eat my Echoplex...

Whatever. I responded honestly to the thread "Comparable Amps". IMO, the amps I mentioned are comparable. Some players responded with respect to the theme of the thread, where others did not. And so it goes on... I think it's best to just drop it. I wish you all the best, and to your parents as well.

 

[Gainzilla]

All things aside... I just listened to "Xander's Smile" is it? Dude - you sound fucking awesome!!! Great vibrato too! That's professional playing at its best!

Well all things aside , Im glad that you dug it, I wrote it for my son when he was born and the solo was just one take of cold improv, i didnt even know that it was being recorded when I was playing over it because I was just throwing ideas out to see what would stick. Its a work in progress, who knows when Ill finish it..

Now back to the drama, I didnt have a problem with you until you decided to make some assumptions about RR. The guy did have a point and from what Im seeing from people that I know and trust, you appear to be someone that caused some issues here under different names. If thats the case, Im asking you to chill and just enjoy everything that RT has to offer in a Non Douche manner. Im not asking as a Mod, Im asking as a fellow music fan. This place was created with the purpose of being cool and relaxed minus the BS of places like HCAF et al. Please keep that in mind and have some fun..

Kage

Patently logical. Will do...

I went through some more of your clips... Wow! Most people don't achieve that level of playing. Your "phasing" is your strength IMO. Great tone too! What amp were you using?

Thanks again. Most if not all of those clips were done with a Johnson J station Modeller that I oicked up for about 30 bucks LOL!!!

 

[rafterman1969]

All things aside... I just listened to "Xander's Smile" is it? Dude - you sound fucking awesome!!! Great vibrato too! That's professional playing at its best!

Well all things aside , Im glad that you dug it, I wrote it for my son when he was born and the solo was just one take of cold improv, i didnt even know that it was being recorded when I was playing over it because I was just throwing ideas out to see what would stick. Its a work in progress, who knows when Ill finish it..

Now back to the drama, I didnt have a problem with you until you decided to make some assumptions about RR. The guy did have a point and from what Im seeing from people that I know and trust, you appear to be someone that caused some issues here under different names. If thats the case, Im asking you to chill and just enjoy everything that RT has to offer in a Non Douche manner. Im not asking as a Mod, Im asking as a fellow music fan. This place was created with the purpose of being cool and relaxed minus the BS of places like HCAF et al. Please keep that in mind and have some fun..

Kage

Patently logical. Will do...

I went through some more of your clips... Wow! Most people don't achieve that level of playing. Your "phasing" is your strength IMO. Great tone too! What amp were you using?

Thanks again. Most if not all of those clips were done with a Johnson J station Modeller that I oicked up for about 30 bucks LOL!!!

My friend mark has a Johnson amp too. He uses it strictly for recording. Wow! maybe I'll check-out an Axe-FX?

 

[Gainzilla]

All things aside... I just listened to "Xander's Smile" is it? Dude - you sound fucking awesome!!! Great vibrato too! That's professional playing at its best!

Well all things aside , Im glad that you dug it, I wrote it for my son when he was born and the solo was just one take of cold improv, i didnt even know that it was being recorded when I was playing over it because I was just throwing ideas out to see what would stick. Its a work in progress, who knows when Ill finish it..

Now back to the drama, I didnt have a problem with you until you decided to make some assumptions about RR. The guy did have a point and from what Im seeing from people that I know and trust, you appear to be someone that caused some issues here under different names. If thats the case, Im asking you to chill and just enjoy everything that RT has to offer in a Non Douche manner. Im not asking as a Mod, Im asking as a fellow music fan. This place was created with the purpose of being cool and relaxed minus the BS of places like HCAF et al. Please keep that in mind and have some fun..

Kage

Patently logical. Will do...

I went through some more of your clips... Wow! Most people don't achieve that level of playing. Your "phasing" is your strength IMO. Great tone too! What amp were you using?

Thanks again. Most if not all of those clips were done with a Johnson J station Modeller that I oicked up for about 30 bucks LOL!!!

My friend mark has a Johnson amp too. He uses it strictly for recording. Wow! maybe I'll check-out an Axe-FX?

I love my AxeFx, its cured me of my gas for good but in the end, use what works for you , theres really nothing else to it..

 

[RoidRage]

Wow! You are a total fucking kook...

I knew a guy like you... I guess he thought that if he lifted weights, he would be able beat-up everyone in the world?

Well, this "bone-rack" as Elliott called him - fucked him up! It was actually kind of funny really... I mean, it really straightened him up quite a bit - because like you, he lived with the illusion that he could just beat-up anyone who wasn't as big as him. It would have been a lot cheaper (and healthier) to have learned how to box! He was no street-fighter either, so that fight was pretty much over before it began.

But remember - I like chicks only! No slippin the skin-bannana in this plentiful bounty!

I'm not trying fuck with you here, but that flexing arm avatar photo is just about the most homosexual looking image ever! You have GOT to change that avatar bro! If you're gay, then that's cool... If that's how you roll, then suck it belongs to Rob Halford I say.

No...

Not a Threat to you at all... Look what you said to me above... That If I'm Gay then suck it belongs to Rob Halford... Show me where I called you a name, or insulted anywhere in this thread>>> No Where.

Now With regards to my so called threat. All I'm saying is this... I WOULD NEVER! NEVER! Say anything to anyone on this fourm that I would not say to their FACE!

Obviously... You have no problem saying this to me here... Online. All I was saying is I would like to give you an opportunity to say this same thing to me when I am Standing Right In Front Of You... You should have no problem with that right? I mean it was very easy for you to do here, right?. It should be no problem for you to do it in person...

The offer stands...

Thanks for the well wishes for my Parents... They are very sick. It would have meant something to me before the insults.

Roid RAGE

 

[rafterman1969]

Wow! You are a total fucking kook...

I knew a guy like you... I guess he thought that if he lifted weights, he would be able beat-up everyone in the world?

Well, this "bone-rack" as Elliott called him - fucked him up! It was actually kind of funny really... I mean, it really straightened him up quite a bit - because like you, he lived with the illusion that he could just beat-up anyone who wasn't as big as him. It would have been a lot cheaper (and healthier) to have learned how to box! He was no street-fighter either, so that fight was pretty much over before it began.

But remember - I like chicks only! No slippin the skin-bannana in this plentiful bounty!

I'm not trying fuck with you here, but that flexing arm avatar photo is just about the most homosexual looking image ever! You have GOT to change that avatar bro! If you're gay, then that's cool... If that's how you roll, then suck it belongs to Rob Halford I say.

No...

Not a Threat to you at all... Look what you said to me above... That If I'm Gay then suck it belongs to Rob Halford... Show me where I called you a name, or insulted anywhere in this thread>>> No Where.

Now With regards to my so called threat. All I'm saying is this... I WOULD NEVER! NEVER! Say anything to anyone on this fourm that I would not say to their FACE!

Obviously... You have no problem saying this to me here... Online. All I was saying is I would like to give you an opportunity to say this same thing to me when I am Standing Right In Front Of You... You should have no problem with that right? I mean it was very easy for you to do here, right?. It should be no problem for you to do it in person...

The offer stands...

Thanks for the well wishes for my Parents... They are very sick. It would have meant something to me before the insults.

Roid RAGE

If my best friend put a picture of a mans bicep as his avatar photo, I would say the same thing. You do have to admit...the "bannana plentiful bounty" thing was funny...

I know what it's like to go through watching your parents deteriorate... Nothing will test you like the day you lose one of them. Both of my parents died of lung cancer, due to using Chloridane back in the 70's. It took 20 years for that shit to fester in their lungs! I remember that they use to spray that shit all over the place. My mom use to comment on how well it worked... It killed everything it came into contact with - including them! I had some really weird shit happen too, right after my mom died.

As far as the Guitar Show is concerned - ours absolutely suck now! Since ebay came onto the scene, it's nothing but guitar shop remnants that nobody wants. A bunch of acoustics, Les Paul Studio models, and Strats... I use to see all sorts of cool stuff, but not anymore.

 

[rafterman1969]

Chloridane... I was planning on using it around my house foundation once my daughter got around 5 or 6. A teaspoon in a few gallons of water will last 30 years. I have access to a few quarts of it. Heck, our pest control guys called it liquid gold.

FWIW, if you ever eat fruit from another country it has been sprayed with Chloridane.

After reading about your parents, I am re-thinking my stance.

I thought they outlawed the use of Chloridane?

I just checked it out, and you are correct! Bastards... Well, seeing as how the Gulf oil leak will continue to flow for 24 years if they can't plug it off... Geez!

A lot of these pesticides accumulate in your body. Check this out... http://www.earthworkshealth.com/product ... sgodOX81Dg

Consume a tablespoon of this every day, and it will clean the accumulated solids out of your body. Makes your hair grow like crazy!

Don't ever use pool grade DE powder though! I'm a FL State Pool Contractor, and I use pool grade DE every day. If you use a DE filter, make sure you were a respirator whenever you reload your filter. Once this stuff is in your lungs, it's there for life.

 

[guitarded_1]

Holy shit. This thread is quickly shaping up to be a 10 out of 10. It's amazing how serious people take matters on internet forums. Highly entertaining...and borderline homo-erotic.

Semi on topic...I have played a couple of Cameron modded Marshalls and have heard a CCV in person - seriously great sounding amps. Having said all of that, Cameron amps have more of an upper mid thing that is not quite my cup of tea.

Never played a Friedman modded Marshall, but the clips sound like the perfect modded Marshall sound for my personal taste...but yeah...not very much like a CCV.

 

[Hollywood]

At this point I am most intrigued about this so called history Velcro fly made mention of.
I am quite sure the history channel won't have the info on these matters but could any of you guys give us a link or links or post a history lesson on this guy from the past Echo drive is supposed to be ?
And what gives with all this sh...errr, stuff ?

 

[Hollywood]

Oh, yeah, I own some of Cameron's works and they rock!

 

[rafterman1969]

I just joined RT, so I'm unfamiliar with what that's all about?

 

[Hollywood]

I guess you are being linked to or thought to be someone that has caused some great amount of grief here on this forum board at some point in the past.
I do not recall who or what they are speaking of but I do want to know.
By the way, ya know how ya just can't seem to get around to everything?
Well that's me and Cornford amps.
But heck Ritchie Kotzen plays them and they sound good as hell when he runs them .
SOO MANY AMPS !

 

[rafterman1969]

Holy shit. This thread is quickly shaping up to be a 10 out of 10. It's amazing how serious people take matters on internet forums. Highly entertaining...and borderline homo-erotic.

Semi on topic...I have played a couple of Cameron modded Marshalls and have heard a CCV in person - seriously great sounding amps. Having said all of that, Cameron amps have more of an upper mid thing that is not quite my cup of tea.

Never played a Friedman modded Marshall, but the clips sound like the perfect modded Marshall sound for my personal taste...but yeah...not very much like a CCV.

That's what I thought too. The Cornford is pushed in the lower mids. The Cameron modded Marshall's are right there in the middle IMO. The Friedman Marshall's are suppose to be the best, but I wouldn't know. My old roommate had a Cameron modded Carlsbro amp... That thing was a fucking monster!

 

[Mailman1971]

Holy shit. This thread is quickly shaping up to be a 10 out of 10. It's amazing how serious people take matters on internet forums. Highly entertaining...and borderline homo-erotic.

Semi on topic...I have played a couple of Cameron modded Marshalls and have heard a CCV in person - seriously great sounding amps. Having said all of that, Cameron amps have more of an upper mid thing that is not quite my cup of tea.

Never played a Friedman modded Marshall, but the clips sound like the perfect modded Marshall sound for my personal taste...but yeah...not very much like a CCV.

That's what I thought too. The Cornford is pushed in the lower mids. The Cameron modded Marshall's are right there in the middle IMO. The Friedman Marshall's are suppose to be the best, but I wouldn't know. My old roommate had a Cameron modded Carlsbro amp... That thing was a fucking monster!

The Famous Cameron Modded Carlsbro........I owned it once upon a time as well.
That amp has gotten around here ALOT! Damn near legendary!

 

[Hollywood]

Here ya go !

 

[rafterman1969]

Here ya go !

Very nice!

I know man, there's SO many new amps out there! It's getting difficult for me to really settle on one amp. I'm thinking about checking-out the Axe-FX? I like to play in the "feedback loop"... ala Ted Nugent. I haven't found a digital processed preamp that gives me those sweet even-order harmonics.

Someone said that they thought that the Cornford MKII doesn't have any low-end? There's more low-end then I would ever use! At least with the 4X12 Cornford cabinet anyway. I'm going to plug it into a 1X12 EVM loaded cab tomorrow. It is a cabinet-dependent amp, so I may be surprised?

It's too bad that the MKII ships with 6L6's, because 99% of the people who plug into one will be looking to check-out the gain channel first. The 6L6's just don't do it for me... I think I speak for everyone here when I say that EL34's are pretty much the de facto power-tube when it comes to a great Rock/Metal sound. At least a great British Rock/Metal sound anyway. The JJ's preamp tubes are a double whammy!

 

[DEWD]

81 posts and I still don't know what is comparable to a CCV.

82 posts now.

 

[Superunknown]

No other amp is really comparable. If I had to choose it would be a Cameron Ocean plus mod or a IIC+.......both of those are a stretch though as the CCV really has it's own thing going on. An SLO with depth mod may be in the ballpark as well.

 

[RoidRage]

No other amp is really comparable. If I had to choose it would be a Cameron Ocean plus mod or a IIC+.......both of those are a stretch though as the CCV really has it's own thing going on. An SLO with depth mod may be in the ballpark as well.

Isn't this how the thread started?

RR