Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 with V30's a Diezel 4x12?

[Veritas0Aequitas]

Hey everyone,

I have a 2007 Diezel VH4 with EL34's and I wanting to try playing with speaker combinations in my Diezel 4X12 Rear Loaded (already has V30s) but not breaking the bank trying 100 different speakers (yet lol). From my research it seems like the Creambacks seem to be a great consensus to go for. I play "ambient rock/metal", see my sig for music reference, so I appreciate nice glassy cleans as well as harmonically rich, tight, punchy kick-you-in-the-balls distortion of my VH4 channel 3. I play lead guitar in my band but I also chug too and love a punchy palm mute.

I am leaning hard towards the Creamback H75 since I need that clarity, punch, and cut as well as the richness. Anyone else have opinions to sway me? Going to do an X shape with two V30s.

And even if you have another suggestion, I'm down to hear it.

Thanks!

 

[braintheory]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing. My favorite combo with V30’s has been Alnico Gold’s hands down. Gold’s are the only non-vintage speakers that I may keep. Don’t let the Alnico magnet fool you, it’s great for metal, it’s as bright and cutting as you’d ever want, tight, very full frequency, yet also warm, nice growl in the mids and low mids, very pleasing midrange voicing, and has a certain clarity and detail to the top end that ceramic speakers don’t have imo

I don’t like the creambacks much (65 or 75 watt version). I liked also the Jensen Electric Lightning’s and Fane F90’s crossed with V30’s, but Gold’s were the clear favorite for me. They’re expensive because of the Alnico magnet, but worth it imo

I also have a VH4 with EL34’s, but a ‘96 one

 

[FourT6and2]

H75s are pretty sweet

 

[RedB4Black]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

 

[Veritas0Aequitas]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

This was my thought exactly. Also the low/mid aspect of the VH4 compliments the V30s so I figured it would compliment the H75s

 

[braintheory]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

They were bright for sure, but not really sharp, biting or sizzly, but rather it was like an annoying big upper mid peak that was very present but smooth, not growly, which I don’t like and lacking in low mids

I can see it working with some amps, but I much preferred the other speakers I paired with V30’s, especially the Alnico Gold’s and they’re still plenty bright and would bring out the VH4’s growl more than the H75’s. I prefer a sound that has more growl, texture and complexity. I’m only using vintage speakers these days, so maybe my taste is just different

 

[RedB4Black]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

They were bright for sure, but not really sharp, biting or sizzly, but rather it was like an annoying big upper mid peak that was very present but smooth, not growly, which I don’t like and lacking in low mids

I can see it working with some amps, but I much preferred the other speakers I paired with V30’s, especially the Alnico Gold’s and they’re still plenty bright and would bring out the VH4’s growl more than the H75’s. I prefer a sound that has more growl, texture and complexity. I’m only using vintage speakers these days, so maybe my taste is just different

Have you had Alnico Creams? I wonder how they compare to the golds?

I tried various speaker combinations using the creams but was never satisfied and ended up selling them

 

[braintheory]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

They were bright for sure, but not really sharp, biting or sizzly, but rather it was like an annoying big upper mid peak that was very present but smooth, not growly, which I don’t like and lacking in low mids

I can see it working with some amps, but I much preferred the other speakers I paired with V30’s, especially the Alnico Gold’s and they’re still plenty bright and would bring out the VH4’s growl more than the H75’s. I prefer a sound that has more growl, texture and complexity. I’m only using vintage speakers these days, so maybe my taste is just different

Have you had Alnico Creams? I wonder how they compare to the golds?

I tried various speaker combinations using the creams but was never satisfied and ended up selling them

I never tried creams because the Gold’s sounded much better to me in comparison clips (and others I know who’ve actually tried both in person seem to feel the same). The Alnico Creams seemed too smooth and not as much character or liveliness as the Gold’s and also darker than Gold’s, so I haven’t been interested in them. I love the Gold’s. The only non-vintage speaker’s I’m keeping for now. I didn’t like the current Alnico Blue’s either (too nasally and narrow sounding) and in clips wasn’t as into the Alnico Ruby’s either. It seem like they just got it right with the Gold’s. The Gold’s are rated at 50 watts, but seemed beefier sounding to me than the V30’s

 

[MatrixClaw]

GK100/V30 mix sounded great in my Emperor 4x12 with my Herbert.

 

[RedB4Black]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

They were bright for sure, but not really sharp, biting or sizzly, but rather it was like an annoying big upper mid peak that was very present but smooth, not growly, which I don’t like and lacking in low mids

I can see it working with some amps, but I much preferred the other speakers I paired with V30’s, especially the Alnico Gold’s and they’re still plenty bright and would bring out the VH4’s growl more than the H75’s. I prefer a sound that has more growl, texture and complexity. I’m only using vintage speakers these days, so maybe my taste is just different

Have you had Alnico Creams? I wonder how they compare to the golds?

I tried various speaker combinations using the creams but was never satisfied and ended up selling them

I never tried creams because the Gold’s sounded much better to me in comparison clips (and others I know who’ve actually tried both in person seem to feel the same). The Alnico Creams seemed too smooth and not as much character or liveliness as the Gold’s and also darker than Gold’s, so I haven’t been interested in them. I love the Gold’s. The only non-vintage speaker’s I’m keeping for now. I didn’t like the current Alnico Blue’s either (too nasally and narrow sounding) and in clips wasn’t as into the Alnico Ruby’s either. It seem like they just got it right with the Gold’s. The Gold’s are rated at 50 watts, but seemed beefier sounding to me than the V30’s

I'll look into the Golds. Maybe buy a pair an mix with v30s in my Wizard cab. That cab is loaded with Fane F70s, I wonder how golds would blend with those.

 

[braintheory]

I didn’t like the way V30’s and H75’s creambacks combined in my 412. Too bright and hard, yet also smooth and just not pleasing.

The reason you hate the combo is the reason I love the combo. I have 2 wizard cabs loaded this way and I love it with my MTLs

I put H75s/v30s in a FL diezel 412. I like it better than the K100s or k100/v30 combo with the Herbert I had at the time. I think dark amps like Diezel would benefit from the brighter H75/v30 combo.

They were bright for sure, but not really sharp, biting or sizzly, but rather it was like an annoying big upper mid peak that was very present but smooth, not growly, which I don’t like and lacking in low mids

I can see it working with some amps, but I much preferred the other speakers I paired with V30’s, especially the Alnico Gold’s and they’re still plenty bright and would bring out the VH4’s growl more than the H75’s. I prefer a sound that has more growl, texture and complexity. I’m only using vintage speakers these days, so maybe my taste is just different

Have you had Alnico Creams? I wonder how they compare to the golds?

I tried various speaker combinations using the creams but was never satisfied and ended up selling them

I never tried creams because the Gold’s sounded much better to me in comparison clips (and others I know who’ve actually tried both in person seem to feel the same). The Alnico Creams seemed too smooth and not as much character or liveliness as the Gold’s and also darker than Gold’s, so I haven’t been interested in them. I love the Gold’s. The only non-vintage speaker’s I’m keeping for now. I didn’t like the current Alnico Blue’s either (too nasally and narrow sounding) and in clips wasn’t as into the Alnico Ruby’s either. It seem like they just got it right with the Gold’s. The Gold’s are rated at 50 watts, but seemed beefier sounding to me than the V30’s

I'll look into the Golds. Maybe buy a pair an mix with v30s in my Wizard cab. That cab is loaded with Fane F70s, I wonder how golds would blend with those.

I haven’t tried F70’s, but have crossed Gold’s with my F90’s and sounded good too. Not sure why F90’s also aren’t more popular

 

[RedB4Black]

I haven’t tried F70’s, but have crossed Gold’s with my F90’s and sounded good too. Not sure why F90’s also aren’t more popular

Everything I read about them leads me to believe they are like a K100. Not sure if that's true or not, but it kind of scared me off of them when I considered putting them in my FL Diezel cab.

 

[braintheory]

I haven’t tried F70’s, but have crossed Gold’s with my F90’s and sounded good too. Not sure why F90’s also aren’t more popular

Everything I read about them leads me to believe they are like a K100. Not sure if that's true or not, but it kind of scared me off of them when I considered putting them in my FL Diezel cab.

They have some overlap with K100’s, but I think are a lot better. They’re tighter, clearer, bigger and more defined than K100’s and have a more neutral/smoother midrange than Celestion’s. Maybe the F70’s have it too, but haven’t played them

If I had to choose which Celestion is most like F90’s, I probably would say the K100, but still they’re own thing

 

[harddriver]

I considered the 12H75 creambacks on my last go around with speakers. I have had all the boutique speakers, WGS ETS65's and I have to say my last two sets of speaker were new quads of Celestion Heritage 12H-30 75hz and the 12H30 55Hz. Both set of speakers sounded great right out of the box, absoutely no harshness, (I was totally shocked, believe me) and they continue to sound better the more I play them. I don't think I have every been 100% satisfied with any speaker right out the box because my two favorite cabs have original 78/79 blackback 12H-30's so that it what my ears are used to hearing.

I've tried a few anniversary 12H-30 75hz and they were harsh, and bright, spikey nothing like my originals even with some play time, and I know alot of guys love them, I have not had one I liked in person.

The Heritages 12H-30's line sound and perform spot on if not better to my originals in every way and that was out of the box. After buying the 12H-30 55HZ and loving them I immediately made a purchase for the 12H30 75Hz and those were just as impressive. I don't know what Celestion is doing in their Heritage line recently but I have to say they stepped up their game.

 

[Rex Rocker]

Another thing to consider: In my experience, Creamback H-75's are noticeably more efficient than Vintage 30's, so they dominate the mix. It's weird, because they're supposedly both 100dB, but wether it's recorded or in the room, CBH-75's are noticeably louder.

 

[aftec]

I have an old Hiwatt cab with the little port on the back, Creamback M65 and a Scumback 65 on the top and old V30s on the bottom.
It just kills. It was chosen on recordings session over almost all the main brands, none of the speakers sound magical, but if you mike up the 2 greenie style and 1 V30 it's just kills.
I have an H75 in a Friedman 2x12 and not really bonding with it, thinking about changing it to a Creamback M or an alnico Cream.
There is something about the midrange of the Creamback M65 and the V30 complementing other really nice.

 

[harddriver]

Hey everyone,

I have a 2007 Diezel VH4 with EL34's and I wanting to try playing with speaker combinations in my Diezel 4X12 Rear Loaded (already has V30s) but not breaking the bank trying 100 different speakers (yet lol). From my research it seems like the Creambacks seem to be a great consensus to go for. I play "ambient rock/metal", see my sig for music reference, so I appreciate nice glassy cleans as well as harmonically rich, tight, punchy kick-you-in-the-balls distortion of my VH4 channel 3. I play lead guitar in my band but I also chug too and love a punchy palm mute.

I am leaning hard towards the Creamback H75 since I need that clarity, punch, and cut as well as the richness. Anyone else have opinions to sway me? Going to do an X shape with two V30s.

And even if you have another suggestion, I'm down to hear it.

Thanks!

I know Friedman uses the Greenback and V30's and alot of people love that combo. How about the Celestion Heritage G1265 reissue? It's a little in the vein of a Greeback but can handle 65 watts. I have a heritage G1265 in a 1x12 combo amp and it rips. Other than that I think the the Heritage 12h-30 75hz would give you more clarity but the Heritage 12H-30 55Hz really has a kind of Pulsonic greenback vibe to it that I really enjoy.