Dokken sound - Modded Plexi or modded JCM?

[Achilles]

Hi,
I'm interested in 2 Dokken sounds.
1) Standing in the shadows (intro,rythm,solo)
2) Crash & burn (rhythm)

Do i hear modded plexi in the first song and modded jcm on the second?

Is there an amp that can give me both sounds?
Jvm, EVH 5153 100w EL34, Diezel hagen.
I personally think the jvm sounds like a bunch of od and distortion pedals, that you can switch between them, but maybe that's just me..
I'm torn between the last two.
Your opinions please.

 

[Dave L]

I'd probably look into a Splawn Quickrod.

 

[napalmdeath]

Crash & Burn = 2205.
Norum's tone is the shit!

I agree with the Splawn as well!

 

[fek]

I have heard Quickrods in person but never played one. After my recent amp flipping binge I think that I need a newer Quickrod with the B+ option, old/new switch, and effects loop volume knob to tame some of the unneeded volume. One of those and the Bogner 3534 I just picked up should keep me very happy.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I think you are hearing correctly.. pretty sure Lynch is running an either slightly modded or stock plexi full pin with hot pups and some juice from a TS or SD-1 (or other comparable overdrive) on the Standing in the Shadows stuff and Norum no question was using his 2205's with prob a bit of dirt on the floor out front just like he does today. You could also do that with a standard JCM800 and a pedal too. So for you, I'd hunt down a plexi type with some gain mods. Splawn might not be a bad idea. You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

 

[stanz]

Splawn QR is nice, but a bit too dry without effects. I think this may be what the QR was designed for, I don't know? Same goes with the CAE PT-100... Great cleans, excessively dry/tight gain side. I'd look to a modified Marshall JCM800 type rig. If I were using slap-back and/or reverb full-time, the QR would work.

 

[paulyc]

Norum uses a couple 2205s and two TS-9s actually, stacked. But that's recent. There are rumors Up From The Ashes is an SLO set to crunch with a Marshall Guv'nor pedal juicing the front end like Gary Moore did.

 

[Dave L]

There are rumors Up From The Ashes is an SLO set to crunch with a Marshall Guv'nor pedal juicing the front end like Gary Moore did.

Face the truth was exactly that, but that is two years later in 1992. He's said that he got the SLO after seeing Gary on the Still got the blues tour with his Soldanos, which would be a pretty quick turnaround to get it into the Dokken recording but not impossible.

 

[Mailman1971]

I get all Dokken tones with my Diezel Herbert.
I know kinda pricey. But it handles it all.

 

[Jon BCN]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

 

[stanz]

All of these amps are essentially the same. Take your pick, and choose a good gain pedal. One amp I'd stay away from, is the Soldano SLO 100.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Norum uses a couple 2205s and two TS-9s actually, stacked. But that's recent. There are rumors Up From The Ashes is an SLO set to crunch with a Marshall Guv'nor pedal juicing the front end like Gary Moore did.

Man, I've never been able to get my guvnor' to work pushing the front end of a crunch channel. Mine fuzzes out on low end. Its the original but Korean made. I've been told that it is best through low input of my jcm800.

Two TS9's though, that's pretty high gain. I know he did that on his old Marshalls... again, boosted baby. Get the tone from the amp and the lead push from the OD. Sounds so much better than high gainers do when the gain is set higher.

 

[Mailman1971]

Akira is so cool!!
Was stationed in Japan for 10 years on and off in the 90s.
Actually drank with him. He let me on stage to play a bit. I was in shock as a fan.
Really small club. We were all drunk.
Think he had his Metaltronix then. Blurry memories.

 

[Samhain]

Crash & Burn = 2205.
Norum's tone is the shit!

I agree with the Splawn as well!

1. Back For The Attack was the Frank Levi modded SIR #39 Marshall.
2. Crash And Burn is a Soldano and Jose Arredondo-modded Marshall.

 

[LP Freak]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

I agree. I’ve gigged with one countless times and never had an issue with the amp not cutting the mix.

 

[paulyc]

There are rumors Up From The Ashes is an SLO set to crunch with a Marshall Guv'nor pedal juicing the front end like Gary Moore did.

Face the truth was exactly that, but that is two years later in 1992. He's said that he got the SLO after seeing Gary on the Still got the blues tour with his Soldanos, which would be a pretty quick turnaround to get it into the Dokken recording but not impossible.

This came from Mark Cameron, who I believe teched for Norum on one of his solo albums, and may have been hanging around the studio during some of the Dokken solo record. FWIW Billy White told me Jose Marshalls and Soldano SLO in various places, but he couldn’t remember what was what.

 

[romanianreaper]

Hi,
I'm interested in 2 Dokken sounds.
1) Standing in the shadows (intro,rythm,solo)
2) Crash & burn (rhythm)

Do i hear modded plexi in the first song and modded jcm on the second?

Is there an amp that can give me both sounds?
Jvm, EVH 5153 100w EL34, Diezel hagen.
I personally think the jvm sounds like a bunch of od and distortion pedals, that you can switch between them, but maybe that's just me..
I'm torn between the last two.
Your opinions please.

Ask Buckeyedog about the EVH 5153 50w EL34 as far as Dokken is concerned. He was just over at the house a few hours ago and heard it and said the blue channel was hitting Dokken and those other tones from the 80s we dig. With the gain down at 9 o'clock to noon (depending on pickups, etc), just sounds killer

 

[harddriver]

I'd say you couldn't go wrong with either the 100 or 50 watt EVH or a Splawn 50 or 100 watters for the prices, I have heard great Lynch tones form just about every Splawn model made except the Nitro which might be too modern than the Quickrods and Promods and judging form what I hear from the latest EVH50 watters sound great too.

Lynch usually gravitates to Plexis and Superleads recently live, take your pick what he boosts them with, but as he has shown will play anything that he wants to for whatever reason.

I seen him circa 2004 or 2007 I can't remember exactly with a Randall module lynchbox and he still sounded like George, the Randall was hissy and noisy but he kept blaming one of his old vintage pedals he had on the board.

 

[Racerxrated]

All of these amps are essentially the same. Take your pick, and choose a good gain pedal. One amp I'd stay away from, is the Soldano SLO 100.

Negatory ghost rider. SLO can easily, easily cop a modded Marshall tone. Just pick a boost pedal, drop the gain back on the SLO a bit hit the boost and through GBs or 65s it will sound like a KILLER modded Marshall, raw and cutting.
That's how I dialed it in, loved it. Miss having one.

 

[PDC]

I’ll second the Splawn Quickrod, for sure. I have been playing Splawn amps for years now. The fully loaded QR with the Old/New - Mid Cut/Boost really makes the grade. If you opt for the 100 watt, the 1/2 Power and Drop B+ is a must. My current QR is a fully loaded 50 watt which is Drop B+ by default in full power and has a Pentode / Triode switch for really greasy, low wattage playing. It is hands down my ‘Desert Island’ amp. I also own a Fully Loaded 50 watt Nitro, and it is just a beast. I have been tempted to let the Nitro go on a couple of occasions, only because I can get really, really close to Nitro Territory in 3rd Gear of my QR with the mids cut and the ‘New’ voicing. As far as OP post goes, you can definitely find both Lynch tones You are hearing in Gears 1-2-3 of a Fully Loaded QR. Folks that say Splawn amps sound dry or stiff may be correct as far as earlier versions are concerned - and the dry, stiff character will slay in a live mix - but the newer ‘fully loaded’ versions are absolute Swiss Army Knife amps.