Dokken sound - Modded Plexi or modded JCM?

[Metlupass2]

I get all Dokken tones with my Diezel Herbert.
I know kinda pricey. But it handles it all.

You can't get Dokken tones with a Herbert you n00b.

 

[Mailman1971]

I get all Dokken tones with my Diezel Herbert.
I know kinda pricey. But it handles it all.

You can't get Dokken tones with a Herbert you n00b.

Ya but I can play a mean smoke on the water with it!!

 

[Achilles]

Thank you all for your input. I would like to have those 2 tones in separate channels with their own separate eq. That's why i thougt about a multichannel amp like the evh and the diezel. Ultimately the 1st channel would have this glassy el34 clean sound. I think i can hear it from the evh el34 100w head.
The diezel hagen to be exact, i think is considered as a more open and high mid marshall sound compared to the rest of the line. But im afraid it will be a polished sound not having the raw and kerrang.
Idk..

 

[Dave L]

All of these amps are essentially the same. Take your pick, and choose a good gain pedal. One amp I'd stay away from, is the Soldano SLO 100.

Negatory ghost rider. SLO can easily, easily cop a modded Marshall tone. Just pick a boost pedal, drop the gain back on the SLO a bit hit the boost and through GBs or 65s it will sound like a KILLER modded Marshall, raw and cutting.
That's how I dialed it in, loved it. Miss having one.

Also, people tend to forget that the crunch mode of the normal channel basically is the original "booteek" Marshall, it just kills when used in the way you would use something like a 2203 and it isn´t just the OD channel with less gain.

 

[SoooRad]

Seeing as you really aren't going to nail the tones anyways, you might as well just get something that will give you a "reasonable facsimile of" tone.

You really will be able to do it with something like a 2205, or a DSL. If those don't get you pretty damn close, it ain't the gear letting you down.

 

[paulyc]

Seeing as you really aren't going to nail the tones anyways, you might as well just get something that will give you a "reasonable facsimile of" tone.

You really will be able to do it with something like a 2205, or a DSL. If those don't get you pretty damn close, it ain't the gear letting you down.

This is pretty spot on. Go listen to Jon Levin playing live with Dokken on rented backline gear (usually DSLs), he's getting great tone from them and his TS-9 and his Charvels loaded with Di Marzio Tone Zone bridge pickups.

 

[jabps]

I'll pitch in with my current amps...

JVM410 - yes, you can dial in those tones. OD1 Green w/ boost will do it. OD1 Orange no boost will do it and is pure modded Marshall.
EVH 50W Stealth - Blue Channel can do it boost or no boost. I've been very surprised by this little amp.
Fryette SigX - I can even dial those tones in with this amp boost or no boost.

Former -
Splawn QR - yep, right up it's alley.
Marshall 2204 or 2203 with an OD, yep. About as 80's as you can get.
Soldano SLO - yep.

 

[shredhead7]

As others have said, the purple plexi is what Lynch used on BFTA. I do not believe it was modded, just a great sounding amp.

The DD record, that song in particular isn't Norum, it's Billy White, the other guitar player. As good as John is, Billy is the real deal on that record.

Lots of Marshall amps or clones would get you there. I think the 2204/5 is more universal in the 80's sound. Basically, find a Marshall clone, through a Tube Screamer or some other boost in front of it and you will be happy with your purchase.

 

[jabps]

The DD record, that song in particular isn't Norum, it's Billy White, the other guitar player. As good as John is, Billy is the real deal on that record.

Would have been nice in the liner notes to detail who played what on that album. Some songs they kinda get into each other's territory. Back when it was released I could generally tell when it was Norum because I was a huge fan but since nobody was familiar with White you were left scratching your head at times. And some of that was because there wasn't a huge difference in their tone on the album. Which personally I'm not a fan of. For example Rough Cutt, you could always tell which guy was playing what because of their tone and their style. Billy White, dude was a badass....then faded into the ether.

 

[napalmdeath]

Ceriatone Yeti will get you there too. EVH would be a no for me.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

I agree. I’ve gigged with one countless times and never had an issue with the amp not cutting the mix.

The problem I hear with the BE ( I have a synergy BE also as my reference), are the mids and the highs. I am assuming the highs are softened to control squealing in the circuit and the mids, they honk and are not filled out thus creating this hollowness that I hear in this demo as well. Not all Friedman stuff does this, but the BE totally does that to my ear. I think it still sounds good but it doesn't cut like I want it to cut, maybe my ear just likes raw top end. Just missing "something" though I would gladly play the real amp.

 

[Achilles]

Seeing as you really aren't going to nail the tones anyways, you might as well just get something that will give you a "reasonable facsimile of" tone.

You really will be able to do it with something like a 2205, or a DSL. If those don't get you pretty damn close, it ain't the gear letting you down.

The problem is that with the tones im going for, one amp and an od pedal wont do it for me.
You see,i need this glassy el34 cleans badly as well from the same amp. So if i was about to get the real thing for all those tones i should get like 4 different marshall heads, thus the need for a multichannel amp.
It's not necessary to nail those tones 100% but to come as close as possible in sound and feel, would be great.
So no 1 or 2 ch amps for me. We are looking at 3ch minimum. Also i live in Europe.
I really need to know more about the Diezel Hagen amp if anyone has experience with it.

 

[harddriver]

Seeing as you really aren't going to nail the tones anyways, you might as well just get something that will give you a "reasonable facsimile of" tone.

You really will be able to do it with something like a 2205, or a DSL. If those don't get you pretty damn close, it ain't the gear letting you down.

This is pretty spot on. Go listen to Jon Levin playing live with Dokken on rented backline gear (usually DSLs), he's getting great tone from them and his TS-9 and his Charvels loaded with Di Marzio Tone Zone bridge pickups.

I would say the DSL sounds pretty darn good, it's pretty Lynchy.

 

[Achilles]

I'll pitch in with my current amps...
JVM410 - yes, you can dial in those tones. OD1 Green w/ boost will do it. OD1 Orange no boost will do it and is pure modded Marshall.

Can you get glassy el34 cleans from ch1?
Can you get ac/dc - g'n'r heavy rock tones from ch2?
Can i set ch3 for my modded plexi sound and ch4 my modded jcm zakk wylde sound?
Thanx in advance.

 

[311splawndude]

Yeah. Maybe tough(er) to get a Splawn or Friedman in Europe. Not going to try to talk you into one. So the Splawn is not going to have 4 channels with separate EQ's for each (obviously). That may end up being what you really want/need. My only opinions to add to this is:

1. To me, lots of channels and options 'can' pull away from the tone and repair simplicity too.
2. You may be better off considering some different OD pedals for your different variations.
3. You may also like having a few different guitars with different pickups (same reason).
4. You started off with Dokken but now are mentioning ACDC, Zakk, GnR, etc
5. Splawn will have 3 Gears (kind of like JVM modes) and a foot-switchable OD1/OD2/Solo boost
6. I know lots of guys that love their JVMs but they are not as organic to me. Someone mentioned stacked disti pedals or something. I'm not sure I'd go that far but the high gain was not for me. OD1 Green was pretty sweet though.

 

[psychodave]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

Wow, that sounds really terrible.

 

[braintheory]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

Wow, that sounds really terrible.

Agreed. I saw that clip years ago and forgot about it. I remember those amps sounding best to me with most eq controls close to noon. Those amps are just voiced in a way that’s more polite, smooth and restrained and when you try to compensate with higher treble or presence they just sound bad like in that clip. Not my kind of amp

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

As others have said, the purple plexi is what Lynch used on BFTA. I do not believe it was modded, just a great sounding amp.

The DD record, that song in particular isn't Norum, it's Billy White, the other guitar player. As good as John is, Billy is the real deal on that record.

Not that it matters but that isn't all Billy. He's killer though. I can almost say with 100% certainty that Billy starts it and John finishes it. The second half of that solo has his DNA all over it. But I take your point, Billy hangs no problem on that album and then some..

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

Wow, that sounds really terrible.

Agreed. I saw that clip years ago and forgot about it. I remember those amps sounding best to me with most eq controls close to noon. Those amps are just voiced in a way that’s more polite, smooth and restrained and when you try to compensate with higher treble or presence they just sound bad like in that clip

That's exactly what I hear as well.

 

[Jon BCN]

Funny, because that clip it’s one of the reasons why I bought a BE100.

For me, it’s Akira’s best tone ever.