Dokken sound - Modded Plexi or modded JCM?

[Achilles]

Yeah. Maybe tough(er) to get a Splawn or Friedman in Europe. Not going to try to talk you into one. So the Splawn is not going to have 4 channels with separate EQ's for each (obviously). That may end up being what you really want/need. My only opinions to add to this is:

1. To me, lots of channels and options 'can' pull away from the tone and repair simplicity too.
2. You may be better off considering some different OD pedals for your different variations.
3. You may also like having a few different guitars with different pickups (same reason).
4. You started off with Dokken but now are mentioning ACDC, Zakk, GnR, etc
5. Splawn will have 3 Gears (kind of like JVM modes) and a foot-switchable OD1/OD2/Solo boost
6. I know lots of guys that love their JVMs but they are not as organic to me. Someone mentioned stacked disti pedals or something. I'm not sure I'd go that far but the high gain was not for me. OD1 Green was pretty sweet though.

I appreciate your thoughts but i need what i have described above. A multichannel amp is the only option for me. It seems like you are a splawn fanboy though, aren't you?

 

[braintheory]

The Mezzabarba Trinity may be worth considering. I not tried the Trinity model myself, but if it really does sound like the Mzero Overdrive I had with 3 channels then it should be a great amp and I think can do what you’re looking for. The problem is the majority of amps with 3 or more channels tend not to sound as good. There are exceptions like my 3 channel Cameron Mod, 90’s Diezel’s and perhaps a Larry Dino, but then we’re getting into amps that are very rare and expensive

If you were able to get by with 2 channels I’d also recommend Dover. The Butterslax was also pretty good and maybe my favorite Friedman (has 3 channels), but not good for sparkling cleans

 

[311splawndude]

Yeah. Maybe tough(er) to get a Splawn or Friedman in Europe. Not going to try to talk you into one. So the Splawn is not going to have 4 channels with separate EQ's for each (obviously). That may end up being what you really want/need. My only opinions to add to this is:

1. To me, lots of channels and options 'can' pull away from the tone and repair simplicity too.
2. You may be better off considering some different OD pedals for your different variations.
3. You may also like having a few different guitars with different pickups (same reason).
4. You started off with Dokken but now are mentioning ACDC, Zakk, GnR, etc
5. Splawn will have 3 Gears (kind of like JVM modes) and a foot-switchable OD1/OD2/Solo boost
6. I know lots of guys that love their JVMs but they are not as organic to me. Someone mentioned stacked disti pedals or something. I'm not sure I'd go that far but the high gain was not for me. OD1 Green was pretty sweet though.

I appreciate your thoughts but i need what i have described above. A multichannel amp is the only option for me. It seems like you are a splawn fanboy though, aren't you?

Yeah


I'll just leave this here:

(Not me LOL. I wish. This is a 2008 vid that pushed me over the edge to try something I had never heard of before after lusting hard over a Marshall)

 

[SoooRad]

If you do want to have 4 fully independent channels doing various levels of shit that you can switch to at anytime, the JVM 410 (regular or JS) will be about your only option that is Marshall-y.

However, I also know you are fooling yourself if you think you need access to all of those at once.

"Need" is the most commonly thrown about word with guitar tones that is meaningless. You could get all of those sounds out of a one channel amp if you aren't afraid to turn a knob. But I think you'll struggle to find a 4 channel amp that will give you all those sounds at once.


Something like an ADA MP1 would also do what you want. The tones you are after aren't that magical or hard to get.

 

[paulyc]

Consider a DSL 100 for it's two channels and the Synergy Amps SYN-1 with a dual channel module for cleans/edge of breakup tones and an OD pedal. That's four channels and a boost that's available to all four channels at any time, and a pretty small footprint.

 

[Racerxrated]

I'll pitch in with my current amps...
JVM410 - yes, you can dial in those tones. OD1 Green w/ boost will do it. OD1 Orange no boost will do it and is pure modded Marshall.

Can you get glassy el34 cleans from ch1?
Can you get ac/dc - g'n'r heavy rock tones from ch2?
Can i set ch3 for my modded plexi sound and ch4 my modded jcm zakk wylde sound?
Thanx in advance.

DSL will get you the clean...then green channel will give you AC/DC, then add a boost or two and you can get all different types of heavy. Don’t even need the Red channel.

 

[Samhain]

Yeah. Maybe tough(er) to get a Splawn or Friedman in Europe. Not going to try to talk you into one. So the Splawn is not going to have 4 channels with separate EQ's for each (obviously). That may end up being what you really want/need. My only opinions to add to this is:

1. To me, lots of channels and options 'can' pull away from the tone and repair simplicity too.
2. You may be better off considering some different OD pedals for your different variations.
3. You may also like having a few different guitars with different pickups (same reason).
4. You started off with Dokken but now are mentioning ACDC, Zakk, GnR, etc
5. Splawn will have 3 Gears (kind of like JVM modes) and a foot-switchable OD1/OD2/Solo boost
6. I know lots of guys that love their JVMs but they are not as organic to me. Someone mentioned stacked disti pedals or something. I'm not sure I'd go that far but the high gain was not for me. OD1 Green was pretty sweet though.

I appreciate your thoughts but i need what i have described above. A multichannel amp is the only option for me. It seems like you are a splawn fanboy though, aren't you?

Yeah


I'll just leave this here:

Splawn clip is awesome-ness.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

The Synergy stuff can be a money pit but listen to the Plexi module designed by Dave Friedman. you can mix the channels and it is designed to be like that dimed pushed slaved Plexi on the early VH stuff. It's pretty gained out but listen to this thing, pretty bitchin for those tones you are after (killer player helps too);

 

[journeyman73]

Can David Bray’s amps nail these tones?

 

[harddriver]

I would say narrow it down to the JVM, EVHIII and the DSL and see what you like. I played a DSL once and thought the low end was a bit tubby on the red channel but I imagine you can dial in at least as good of a tone as Jon Levin from Dokken does on any of the amps listed. You either play like lynch or you don't... even if the tone of the amp is the same....the ole EVH conundrum.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I would say narrow it down to the JVM, EVHIII and the DSL and see what you like. I played a DSL once and thought the low end was a bit tubby on the red channel but I imagine you can dial in at least as good of a tone as Jon Levin from Dokken does on any of the amps listed. You either play like lynch or you don't... even if the tone of the amp is the same....the ole EVH conundrum.

Hands... John Norum on a crappy practice amp. I love this clip...sounds pretty good doesn't it.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

Wow, that sounds really terrible.

Agreed. I saw that clip years ago and forgot about it. I remember those amps sounding best to me with most eq controls close to noon. Those amps are just voiced in a way that’s more polite, smooth and restrained and when you try to compensate with higher treble or presence they just sound bad like in that clip

That's exactly what I hear as well.

Yep, that’s exactly what I hear in this clip also…
I tried for years pumping extreme settings on the Bogners with the presence and treble controls and trying to turn it into something it’s not, it doesn’t work, It just gets ugly.
Also, One thing to keep in mind is, look where he is sitting in relation to the cabinet… that plus, Most of these guys have lost a LOT of hearing in the high mids / high frequencies and they overcompensate with the presence and treble knobs…
Sounds to me like he’s lost a lot of hearing

 

[Jon BCN]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

Wow, that sounds really terrible.

Agreed. I saw that clip years ago and forgot about it. I remember those amps sounding best to me with most eq controls close to noon. Those amps are just voiced in a way that’s more polite, smooth and restrained and when you try to compensate with higher treble or presence they just sound bad like in that clip

That's exactly what I hear as well.

Yep, that’s exactly what I hear in this clip also…
I tried for years pumping extreme settings on the Bogners with the presence and treble controls and trying to turn it into something it’s not, it doesn’t work, It just gets ugly.
Also, One thing to keep in mind is, look where he is sitting in relation to the cabinet… that plus, Most of these guys have lost a LOT of hearing in the high mids / high frequencies and they overcompensate with the presence and treble knobs…
Sounds to me like he’s lost a lot of hearing

I'm relatively young, I haven't lost any hearing and I think his best tone is with the BE100.

Arguably the best amp of the last 20 years.

 

[Jon BCN]

Not the biggest fan of Dokken, but the tone is amazing.

 

[Racerxrated]

You will get a lot of Friedman suggestions but I don't hear the "cut" in a lot of the Friedman stuff. It is good sounding but not as raw as the Marshalls.

I thought the same too, but if you get the proper settings on the proper Friedman amp, a Friedman can cut just as much.

Wow, that sounds really terrible.

Agreed. I saw that clip years ago and forgot about it. I remember those amps sounding best to me with most eq controls close to noon. Those amps are just voiced in a way that’s more polite, smooth and restrained and when you try to compensate with higher treble or presence they just sound bad like in that clip

That's exactly what I hear as well.

Yep, that’s exactly what I hear in this clip also…
I tried for years pumping extreme settings on the Bogners with the presence and treble controls and trying to turn it into something it’s not, it doesn’t work, It just gets ugly.
Also, One thing to keep in mind is, look where he is sitting in relation to the cabinet… that plus, Most of these guys have lost a LOT of hearing in the high mids / high frequencies and they overcompensate with the presence and treble knobs…
Sounds to me like he’s lost a lot of hearing

I'm relatively young, I haven't lost any hearing and I think his best tone is with the BE100.

Arguably the best amp of the last 20 years.

Yep, the best for the polite smooth recorded tone out of a Marshall. If you want raw you ain’t getting it out of the BE. I did have one of the older hand wired versions from 2011 or so, it had a switch put in by Dave to make it raw like a Marshall; got rid of the smooth produced tone. That was a killer tone; and if it were an option on his amps you’d have everything covered imo.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

There’s no doubt that it’s a killer amplifier, so many people get great tones out of it…His tone sounds great in the concert video above, but when he’s sitting beside the amplifier he’s got his mid and treble controls on 10 (ouch) and that one particular video of the amplifier sucks…

 

[Achilles]

After much consideration i came to the conclusion that i need a good and dynamic el34 based all arround amp and not a marshall el34 sound per se.
I mean, how many times are we going to play a certain song from a certain artist? I compose and play my own music anyway, im not into covers. The bands i was refferd to, were just to describe the sound examples i had in mind.
So,
I already have my 6L6 bases covered with a Mesa/Boogie Mark V & a Dual Recto Reborn.
What i miss is my EL34 based sounds.
But it has to be a very dynamic, clean crunch lead /3ch amp, with excellent build quality & internal components hitting all the right spots in the british sounds i have in mind.
And it shouldn't cost an arm & a leg to get it.
I'm thinking a Mesa Triple Crown should do the job nicely.
From what im hearing, its a very dynamic amp, the build quality is top notch, as i have experienced from my other 2 boogies and it has a great and dynamic el34 clean/dirty clean ch, with 2 more channels offering great crunch and kerrang for my needs anyway in the gain departement.

 

[Achilles]

After much consideration i came to the conclusion that i need a good and dynamic el34 based all arround amp and not a marshall el34 sound per se.
I mean, how many times are we going to play a certain song from a certain artist? I compose and play my own music anyway, im not into covers. The bands i was refferd to, were just to describe the sound examples i had in mind.
So,
I already have my 6L6 bases covered with a Mesa/Boogie Mark V & a Dual Recto Reborn.
What i miss is my EL34 based sounds.
But it has to be a very dynamic, clean crunch lead /3ch amp, with excellent build quality & internal components hitting all the right spots in the british sounds i have in mind.
And it shouldn't cost an arm & a leg to get it.
I'm thinking a Mesa Triple Crown should do the job nicely.
From what im hearing, its a very dynamic amp, the build quality is top notch, as i have experienced from my other 2 boogies and it has a great and dynamic el34 clean/dirty clean ch, with 2 more channels offering great crunch and kerrang for my needs anyway in the gain departement.

Or the EVH EL34 which, from what i can hear, is even more british sounding amp than the mesa. I just dont now about the dynamics of the evh.. I dont have a chance to play it neither.

 

[311splawndude]

Engl Steve Morse?

 

[romanianreaper]

Or the EVH EL34 which, from what i can hear, is even more british sounding amp than the mesa. I just dont now about the dynamics of the evh.. I dont have a chance to play it neither.

I used to own a EVH 5150-III with the 6L6s. Being a huge Eddie fan, I was one of the first to get them when they came out. For me, I couldn't gel with it. I liked it but didn't love it. I tried a combo later on and seemed to like it a bit more than I had remembered.

I just got an EL34 version of the EVH 5150-III and I really dig it. It is an amazing amp! Getting some great sounds out of it.