EVH live rig circa 1981

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speaking of the passive loop between the gain stages, I once did some tech work for a guy who had someone do that for him. the guy carved a peice of the copper tracing out to do his loop.. Alll you have to do is lift a wire. aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!

before I did my best to put it back to stock I tried it with a electro harmonix delay of some sort and it sounded pretty good. It didnt have the usual problems you get with the delay in front and bending notes when the amp is crucnhing a little.
 
I wonder if there would be a noise issue with disconnecting the bright and rhythm low input jacks on the front and using them for the passive input loop? Shielded cable is a given. Is there a schematic showing where to hook it up? It sounds pretty simple to do.
 
fluff191":2q0fnjwl said:
I thought the pot on the back of that Marshall was left from when the amp was a house amp at The Whiskey?
That was my understanding too. John Suhr said most of the original solder joints were intact when he saw it back in the early 90's; I think a solder joint in the tonestack had been re-soldered as well as the P.I. input cap was changed and it had a Freyette OT...I think. I'm not trying to start a flame war...just saying.

It's all pointless really to say what he did or didn't definitely do or use; there's so many fun specs to play with and choose from. Jose cascade mods, distortion Pedals, stock Plexi spcs; who cares? If it sounds good, it is good. The fun is in the journey.:rock:
 
VH1... :lol: :LOL: ..What's funny is the amount of energy that has been put in to chasing a tone Eddie didn't even like. He ain't trying to get back there that's for sure.

( Ed has commented that he didn't particularly want his tone to be as trebley as it is on Van Halen, but he didn't really have any say in it.

"At that point in my career, I really didn't have any control over anything. I was just like, 'Yes, sir. Whatever. We barely had any input in the early days of the band. I mean, there are so many things wrong with those early records- the drums sound like shit on the first album and the bass is barely audible. We just played live, they recorded it, and it got put out." )
 
When Bob Bradshaw built Edwards first rack(large rack) which was in 86,Bob even said that Edwards plexi was modded by Jose Arrenedondo.Eds amp was modded by Jose toward the end of the 78 tour also Ed did use a overdrive-distortion unit during the recording of van halen 1 this came right from Jose arrendondo's mouth as he explained it to me,swear to God.Jose wasnt sure what type of Distortion unit Ed used.(jose just did not know).
 
hehe..ok....Here's the deal and it's been staring at everybody since that practice room picture surfaced.....The toanz is in the practice bomb!!! When he ditched that his toanz started going downhill and those fancy anvil cases he could now afford just weren't bringin the brownnzz....Sheesh!! I thought everybody would know this by now!!?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
I always thought the overdrive was from the tape delay he was using back then... he certainly wouldn't be the only one. So the bomb might be correct....
 
nitro":g6jhelwe said:
Just buy a amp from Rockstah and be done with it.
That pretty much sums it up :yes:


Rockstah's got that shit downnnn!!! :thumbsup: :rock:
 
nitro":1dlko3st said:
When Bob Bradshaw built Edwards first rack(large rack) which was in 86,Bob even said that Edwards plexi was modded by Jose Arrenedondo.Eds amp was modded by Jose toward the end of the 78 tour also Ed did use a overdrive-distortion unit during the recording of van halen 1 this came right from Jose arrendondo's mouth as he explained it to me,swear to God.Jose wasnt sure what type of Distortion unit Ed used.(jose just did not know).
I don't ascribe to the VH1 distortion pedal thing, but that's cool if you do; b/w the Urei LA-4, MXR 6 band, EP-3 with the built in compressor board and Phase 90, it's a cumulative effect that for all tense and purposes IS a distortion pedal. Like I said though; that's just me.

It's all pissing up a rope really to say what Ed did or didn't do, because it's just about what sounds good to you, and there's so many more options to choose from than there were back then. It really doesn't matter, unless you're a historian doing a documentary on Ed's gear. It's all just fun stuff to play with. To my knowledge Jose added a master volume, paralleled a 440uf cap over the .68uf/820 C/R at V2, changed the NFB loop to 100k/4ohms and did one other thing minor gain altering mod. What I hear from VH1 on is the V2 fat cap.

What I'm finding is that the raspiness of VH1 comes from the bass being dimed when there's no V2 fat cap...just an 820/.68uf. I think he addressed the "brightness" of VH1 with that 440uf cap that was installed at V2. That makes the amp sound more VH2 to me, and from what I hear, thickens it up enough, that you have to bring the bass down. That's when you loose some gain and assymetrical clipping that gave VH1 it's raspy, toothy edge and the sound get's smoother.

Here's strat78 over at the Metro Forum laying it down again.
https://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... i&newref=1
This is the VH1 raspiness you get with the bass dimed; when you parallel the fat cap at V2 with a big value like 440uf, you have to bring the bass down and you loose that assymetrical clipping and added gain. People think it comes from a distortion pedal, but it doesn't; it comes from diming the bass, and you have to have the right specs in order to be able to do that. There's nothing goosing the front end other than an EP-3 Echoplex. Add all of the gear and the Stuido magic from Templeman and Landee and IMHO, you've got VH1.

IMHO, Mark has a Mod that is almost "all inclusive"; plug in and play...done. I mean, maybe there is that last 5%, but could your average Joe really live with a dimed Plexi munching it's way through a $300 quad of Sylvania 6ca7s every month or so?
 
OBGYNkanobi":112ycoye said:
nitro":112ycoye said:
When Bob Bradshaw built Edwards first rack(large rack) which was in 86,Bob even said that Edwards plexi was modded by Jose Arrenedondo.Eds amp was modded by Jose toward the end of the 78 tour also Ed did use a overdrive-distortion unit during the recording of van halen 1 this came right from Jose arrendondo's mouth as he explained it to me,swear to God.Jose wasnt sure what type of Distortion unit Ed used.(jose just did not know).
I don't ascribe to the VH1 distortion pedal thing, but that's cool if you do; b/w the Urei LA-4, MXR 6 band, EP-3 with the built in compressor board and Phase 90, it's a cumulative effect that for all tense and purposes IS a distortion pedal. Like I said though; that's just me.

It's all pissing up a rope really to say what Ed did or didn't do, because it's just about what sounds good to you, and there's so many more options to choose from than there were back then. It really doesn't matter, unless you're a historian doing a documentary on Ed's gear. It's all just fun stuff to play with. To my knowledge Jose added a master volume, paralleled a 440uf cap over the .68uf/820 C/R at V2, changed the NFB loop to 100k/4ohms and did one other thing minor gain altering mod. What I hear from VH1 on is the V2 fat cap.

What I'm finding is that the raspiness of VH1 comes from the bass being dimed when there's no V2 fat cap...just an 820/.68uf. I think he addressed the "brightness" of VH1 with that 440uf cap that was installed at V2. That makes the amp sound more VH2 to me, and from what I hear, thickens it up enough, that you have to bring the bass down. That's when you loose some gain and assymetrical clipping that gave VH1 it's raspy, toothy edge and the sound get's smoother.

Here's strat78 over at the Metro Forum laying it down again.
https://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... i&newref=1
This is the VH1 raspiness you get with the bass dimed; when you parallel the fat cap at V2 with a big value like 440uf, you have to bring the bass down and you loose that assymetrical clipping and added gain. People think it comes from a distortion pedal, but it doesn't; it comes from diming the bass, and you have to have the right specs in order to be able to do that. There's nothing goosing the front end other than an EP-3 Echoplex. Add all of the gear and the Stuido magic from Templeman and Landee and IMHO, you've got VH1.

IMHO, Mark has a Mod that is almost "all inclusive"; plug in and play...done. I mean, maybe there is that last 5%, but could your average Joe really live with a dimed Plexi munching it's way through a $300 quad of Sylvania 6ca7s every month or so?

hey man, i can totally hear the voice in your clip, now you need a variac now! :)


You nailed what my spec is for and why i came to it!
I call it the dragster effect. sure you can own one but the cost of gas and the need for the place to be able to drive it comes with it.


mxr 6 band pushing the front of a plexi circuit - https://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... D=10034480

mxr pushing the front of a cascaded gain stage spec - https://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... ID=7693551

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Mark
 
Mark the MXR 6 band eq your using is it a new unit(present) or a older vintage blue one.Your clips sound very good.
 
kurtsstuff":pnw45lfr said:
hehe..ok....Here's the deal and it's been staring at everybody since that practice room picture surfaced.....The toanz is in the practice bomb!!! When he ditched that his toanz started going downhill and those fancy anvil cases he could now afford just weren't bringin the brownnzz....Sheesh!! I thought everybody would know this by now!!?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Good catch, but that's only 1/2 the story. Notice that the preamp tube retainers are still on...there's your tone! :cheers2:
 
rupe":33ihicmv said:
kurtsstuff":33ihicmv said:
hehe..ok....Here's the deal and it's been staring at everybody since that practice room picture surfaced.....The toanz is in the practice bomb!!! When he ditched that his toanz started going downhill and those fancy anvil cases he could now afford just weren't bringin the brownnzz....Sheesh!! I thought everybody would know this by now!!?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Good catch, but that's only 1/2 the story. Notice that the preamp tube retainers are still on...there's your tone! :cheers2:

I think they are both diversion to draw focus away from the real magic. Its never picking up your garbage from the performance area. The more cans on the floor the better the tone.
 
Well, I just got finished talking to Jose... Yes that's right ,I am a psychic medium and he told me to tell you guys that the amp was pretty much stock but with a few value changes and parts here and there and most definitely a Transfomer swap. He also told me that he does not remember Nitro at all and that Don Barzini should stop touching himself and that he should also stop running around naked all day long :D

I also posted this at TGP :D



~R~
 
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