EVH SDE-3000 pedal wdw issues

[romanianreaper]

 

[romanianreaper]

I really think it is the effects loop. Someone said the EVH loops are different than other loops on some amps. I'm no expert on this stuff so not sure but I guarantee that is part of the issue.

 

[harddriver]

Thats WAY cheaper than the Suhr ISO.

UNLESS the build/noise floor is better,then I see no reason the spend $180 vs $65

I would venture to say the Suhr is engineered much better and it is transformer isolated and has a ground lift. I've been using mine for years and they work great with absolutely no issues if you want to do W/D/W right $180 dollars is money well spent IMHO.

I own two Suhr Iso Line outs....best money I've spent considering slaving and W/D/W setups.

I've heard the Bray line out works good as well but I don't know exactly how that unit is built.

It looks like the EVH pedal the way you are trying to run it only works that way with three EVH heads. How I have explained W/D/W will work with either a stereo power amp or two other amp heads with or without loops. I have attached layout diagrams for a basic simple W/D/W and not how this four cable method thingy works.

If you have an attenuator lying around like a THD Hotplate you can insert that between the amp and cabinet set it to NO attenuation and just use the line out jack, that will work in lieu of the Suhr until you decide to get one. The THD hotplate line out will provide you with the entire full spectrum signal to your EVH3000 pedal then set up the W/D/W like the basic diagrams and not all that four cable EVH crap and you'll be a much happier man.

If you set things up per the basic layouts and use the THD hotplate line out or Suhr Iso line out you'll have a killer sounding simple setup.

 

[Briman24]

If you want simple then you're barking up the wrong tree with W/D/W. One is a lot simpler than three.

I think the reason you're getting tripped up is because you're using the EVH pedal. The EVH pedal is designed for W/D/W, but it's designed for W/D/W with EVH amps, which are themselves designed for W/D/W. It functions as a three-way splitter, which is great, but unless you're using an EVH amp for your dry (or another amp with the same loop/master placement) you'll need to do some problem solving and likely need additional gear as well.

So there are two basic options on how to use the pedal with W/D/W.

1) The way Boss/EVH intended: Use an EVH head (or, again, another head configured the same way) for your dry signal, put the pedal in the loop and send the left and right outputs to the loop returns of three different amps.

2) The way Eddie did it: Line tap (with either your head's line out or a separate box), with the line-level signal going into the pedal, then out from the pedal into a stereo power amp.

Option #1 requires three heads and the EVH pedal. Presence and resonance controls can be used to shape the final sound, and you can mix different heads for different tonal effects, but the delays will be colored by the power amp distortion.

Option #2 requires only one head and the standard version of the pedal, but also needs a stereo power amp (or two mono power amps) and a line-tap if your dry amp doesn't have a line-out built in. The delays aren't colored by the power amp distortion.

If you're doing Option #1 with mismatched heads, that's where volume controls (like the JHS) get involved.

Yes this is all the info needed! Option #2 is the best imo because it is cheaper to buy a stereo power amp than 2 heads! And you don't need all those tubes replacement s down the road! I use a david Bray box to tap line out from speaker jack. I posted a link earlier for one on reverb. They are like 80 dollars shipped or something.

 

[romanianreaper]

I'll be honest, I don't even care about WDW with the EVH 3000SDE pedal. I'm using it in stereo and sounds glorious. It sounds as phenomenal with my Orange solid state combos as my 5150-III heads (when I had two). I don't know how someone would not like this pedal. It is inspiring to play thru.

 

[GreatRedDragon]

I'll be honest, I don't even care about WDW with the EVH 3000SDE pedal. I'm using it in stereo and sounds glorious. It sounds as phenomenal with my Orange solid state combos as my 5150-III heads (when I had two). I don't know how someone would not like this pedal. It is inspiring to play thru.

It's just a great pedal. I just love having a pedal with that much horsepower without it having a dozen other algorithms getting in the way. The controls are straightforward and even the stock presets are super usable. I only have the base version so no EVH presets but his settings are all online anyway (and sound really good, obviously).

I use it in a parallel loop so even though my overall signal is output in two channels it's mixed down from three, with my center dry signal laid over the left and right wet paths.

 

[blackie13]

WDW is amazing and easy to do...
You just need a line out box...between amp&cab...
A Bray(works amazing), a Suhr Line out box, a THD attenuator.
Dont do it via the preamp out...you are losing the power amp tone...

Dry amp - cab
Line out box between the two-line out to delay input(set it at killdry or 100%wet or you will have phase issues) one output to one wet amp(return) one to the other wet amp(return).

Welcome to the rabbit hole...

 

[romanianreaper]

Dry amp - cab
Line out box between the two-line out to delay input(set it at killdry or 100%wet or you will have phase issues) one output to one wet amp(return) one to the other wet amp(return).

Welcome to the rabbit hole...

Can you explain the potential for phase issues more? I'm using it in stereo with two amps and haven't noticed phase issues but maybe it is there. Do I have to do anything special with my setup?

 

[GOHOINC]

Can you explain the potential for phase issues more? I'm using it in stereo with two amps and haven't noticed phase issues but maybe it is there. Do I have to do anything special with my setup?

I could be wrong but since you are bypassing the preamps of the wet amps and going straight to loop returns that you shouldn't have phase issues.

 

[blackie13]

I could be wrong but since you are bypassing the preamps of the wet amps and going straight to loop returns that you shouldn't have phase issues.

You can have phase issue problems due to the dry signal that can get chorusy...
It is a matter of the line signal, not the power amp...

 

[blackie13]

Can you explain the potential for phase issues more? I'm using it in stereo with two amps and haven't noticed phase issues but maybe it is there. Do I have to do anything special with my setup?

Don't know the setup mate...

 

[romanianreaper]

Don't know the setup mate...

I have two Orange Super Crush 100 combos. I have send and return of one effects loop connected to the BOSS EVH pedal. The second amp is just return into the pedal.

 

[technomancer]

Thats WAY cheaper than the Suhr ISO.

UNLESS the build/noise floor is better,then I see no reason the spend $180 vs $65

The Suhr is a transformer isolated line out designed to go between the speaker out and cab of a rig... the JHS is a pot in a pedal enclosure used to add a loop volume control. if you try to use the JHS after the power amp it will literally melt. Two completely different applications.

 

[blackie13]

I have two Orange Super Crush 100 combos. I have send and return of one effects loop connected to the BOSS EVH pedal. The second amp is just return into the pedal.

does the dry amp have delay repeats?

 

[harddriver]

WDW is amazing and easy to do...
You just need a line out box...between amp&cab...
A Bray(works amazing), a Suhr Line out box, a THD attenuator.
Dont do it via the preamp out...you are losing the power amp tone...

Dry amp - cab
Line out box between the two-line out to delay input(set it at killdry or 100%wet or you will have phase issues) one output to one wet amp(return) one to the other wet amp(return).

Welcome to the rabbit hole...

What Mr. Blackie13 said..............

 

[rosencj]

If you want simple then you're barking up the wrong tree with W/D/W. One is a lot simpler than three.

I think the reason you're getting tripped up is because you're using the EVH pedal. The EVH pedal is designed for W/D/W, but it's designed for W/D/W with EVH amps, which are themselves designed for W/D/W. It functions as a three-way splitter, which is great, but unless you're using an EVH amp for your dry (or another amp with the same loop/master placement) you'll need to do some problem solving and likely need additional gear as well.

So there are two basic options on how to use the pedal with W/D/W.

1) The way Boss/EVH intended: Use an EVH head (or, again, another head configured the same way) for your dry signal, put the pedal in the loop and send the left and right outputs to the loop returns of three different amps.

2) The way Eddie did it: Line tap (with either your head's line out or a separate box), with the line-level signal going into the pedal, then out from the pedal into a stereo power amp.

Option #1 requires three heads and the EVH pedal. Presence and resonance controls can be used to shape the final sound, and you can mix different heads for different tonal effects, but the delays will be colored by the power amp distortion.

Option #2 requires only one head and the standard version of the pedal, but also needs a stereo power amp (or two mono power amps) and a line-tap if your dry amp doesn't have a line-out built in. The delays aren't colored by the power amp distortion.

If you're doing Option #1 with mismatched heads, that's where volume controls (like the JHS) get involved.

I'm trying to do option 2 with no success.
Here is my signal chain:
Guitar>Input/Mono EVH SDE pedal
EVH SDE Pedal Send>Front of EVH EL34 Amp Head>2x12"Cab
EVH EL34 Amp Send>EVH SDE Pedal Return
EVH SDE Pedal Direct Mono Out > EVH EL34 Amp FX Return
EVH SDE Pedal EFX Left > Fryette Stereo Power Amp Channel A Input > 2x12" Cab (Left)
EVH SDE Pedal EFX Right > Fryette Stereo Power Amp Channel B Input > 2x12" Cab (Right)

I have only sound out of the EVH Amp/Cab. Nothing out of the Fryette Amp.

 

[audiobahn420]

Glad to see I'm not the only person dealing with this pedal! I got mine hooked up wet/dry/wet, and I think it's on of the biggest let downs ever. I guess I was expecting more from the wdw. Unless you're touring like evh himself it's useless. My boss gx100 already had multiple delays. So I'll probably end up sending it back. All three speakers in the wdw put out a dry signal so to speak. So that's a constant through all 3 amps. The 2 sides put out the dry along with the wet. So if you got rid of the center speaker you can't tell a difference. If anyone is planning on buying it do yourself a favor and buy the gx100. Best buy I've made in a long time, and from what I can tell a lot of helix, quad cortex users are wishing they had done the same because of performance vs cost issues.