grooveHT
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https://www.kemper-amps.com/products/us/profiler-player.html
Still a kemper profile player... but in pedal format.
Still a kemper profile player... but in pedal format.
rsm
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romanianreaper
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Would the Nux Plexi into my combo give me that tone or do you have to have other stuff in the chain?
mentoneman
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other stuff too. i attenuated it with the rockcrusher, speaker out to one side of my stereo 4x12 and sent the line out to a delay/power amp for wet/dry.
the pedal is pretty gnarly and bright on its own. i have to dump the tone and presence and fiddle with it, but it just happens to work with the peacemaker rig, for now
mentoneman
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if that was a normal pedal size and half the price i’d bite.
mentoneman
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both sound cool but it is making something apparent to me.
it’s weird but i seem to have a neurotic knee jerk disdain for having to interact with life sucking computers to play my guitar. it has always brought disappointment and obsolescence.
i LOATHE:
everything IR (though open to change)
super deep and complex menus
i just want a friggen standsrd mxr size pedal that can nail a 45 yr old vh brown tone and sounds good! two knobs would be perfect. maybe a mini toggle selector for VHI/VHII.
and if there us something computery happening in it, hide that crap! no usb, bluetooth, GUI screens, instruction manuals, crazy power supply requirements….
CarlF
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Trying to find a pedal to mimic VH I/ VHII isn’t going to happen. When I had my Peacemaker, it reminded me of VH II. I would crank that amp into a Power Station and get a great Boost pedal.
NorCal_Val
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my take is that most people who are trying to get that early VH sound, are trying to do it at “bedroom volume” level. Which, is problematic at best.
mentoneman
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agreed and the pedal solution hasn’t happened, yet. the PM gets there and is my benchmark, but i’m just trying to get in that general zone with my rack and a pedal.
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harddriver
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Exactly Mr CarlF..............................Mentoneman you have the Peacemaker. Maybe install a Lar/Mar PPIMV using a PEC pot(it does make a difference) or use the Power Station as Carl suggested and maybe pick up one of these Atomic Overdrive pedals David Phillips uses in this video. With the two combined it will be the closest to EVH in a box that you will be able to get at lower volume levels. The Power station would give you the ability to tweak bass and presence further after you get it down to the volumes you want to play. I thought the Atomic overdrive sounds very good in David Phillips video below. I see in your post you have a Rivera Rockcrusher which I have as well and it works awesome, maybe pull two power tubes set your impedance to 8 if your speaker cabient is 16 ohms, this will give you 50 watts but your Peacemaker will still punch like a 100 watter. I do this on my 68 plexi to control volume and the amp still hits harder and bigger than my 72 50 watt Super Lead because the 100 watt OPT is bigger. Mojave installed a 100 watt OPT's in the Mojave scorpion for this very reason and it works. I would imagine the Atomic OD would give you infinite tweakability into your Peacmaker or if you have an EP3 preamp and EQ pedal like I do in the lower 69 amp video.
Although the Lar/Mar PPIMV can have some grainy artifacts at extremely low volumes at reasonable volume when installed with the PEC brand dual250K pot it is extremely linear and mostly artifact free at some pretty low volumes and you get all of the preamp and phase inverter overdrive that you get with a cranked plexi. If you don't want to install the PPIMV into stock Peacemaker then go the Power Station route Carl mentioned.
Here is a PEC Lar/Mar PPIMV installe in my 1969 Marshall NOS build Metro amp with modern iron and all NOS parts except the EH6ca7's and it is running on wall voltage. You can hear the string noise in the videos, in this video the PPIMV is set to 2, attentuator was set to 0DB attenuation.
Carl mentioned that his Peacemaker reminded him more of VHII....VHI has this ratty teeth to it and without getting into a rabbit hole discussion you can hear my 78 model sounding very very VHII like with my 69.....if you want sepcifically VH1 I highly recommend the Might Might 1400(9K) pickup, even if there is no proof of use this pickup delivers the ratty almost fuzzlike crunchy distorion that rides on the root notes of runs on VH1. The 78 model is still a great pickup and does a respectable VHI so YMMV.
mentoneman
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i get it, but even eddie’s whole variac/reamp deal was born out if being too loud in the clubs. maybe i’m being too stubborn and the mxr evh overdrive has it in spades…
the truth is in order to currently get close to the vh tone i love, i have to smell tubes burning.
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harddriver
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I don't know if you can get there with rack equipment with a standalone pedal platform since you want a MAIAB solution. You might get someting close with an ADA MP1 with some type of overdrive in front like the Atomic OD but I don't know if you can dial out the compression Langer built into those.
The only thing I can think of is those Mototeddy pedals Ossie Ahsen is building.
hammered
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Al could plug into the Boss Katana mini and it’s gonna nail Ed’s sound lol . He had a demo of MXR 5150 pedal years ago and sure enough it sounded like Ed’s tone , to my ears at least
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harddriver
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That's not true, you do not have to variac or have the tubes burning to get into the ballpark. My 69 used the PPIMV, was biased at 50% dissipation and run on 120ACV wall voltage. I have to admit I was surpised how good it sounded at wall voltage and a colder bias compared to my 68 which I have to variac and pull two tubes and attenuate but the video shows it is possible.
That's about all the suggestions I have, you're going to have to try some things out and see if they get close enough for your ears.
NorCal_Val
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I don’t think the MXR 5150 sounds anything like EVH’s OG Marshall tone.(that’s what my ears hear)
I’m with you about the cooking tubes.
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harddriver
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How are we supposed to judge the Quad Cortex when he is playing along with the actual soundtracks..................WTF???????? At least Jim Gaustad plays it straight up...........
mentoneman
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your tone is cool and has some elements of the classic plexi sound i’m after, but between the off axis phone recording, the lower volume not driving the speaker hard and the fx not dialed in, it’s hard to tell and comes across more normal 70s/80s marshall than what i’m trying for. i don’t mean that disrespectfully or condescendingly it’s just what your recording sounds like to me and it’s probably infinitely cooler in the room.
i’ve gone through many pickups and speakers so that issue is settled for me.
Ben Waylin
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CarlF
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I think already mentioned but the Wampler Pinnacle Deluxe. Better than the Atomic OD. It has that high-mid spike like a Marshall.
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harddriver
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If you are looking for something plug in to match the studio VH1 in a pedal it isn't going to happen, probably the closest would be the David Phillips setup or the complete package that Jim Gaustad had to put together with the whole Sunset Sound recording package if you want the finished album tones with the exact EQ, Reverbs and delays. We all know Ed's tone was the totality of alot of things in the signal chain.
We all hear things differently so I appreciate your thoughts. I'm probably a bit partial and I feel I am quite picky about Ed tone myself I judge my off axis in the room clips to what I hear in the Pasadena Civic 77 and Selland Area 78 live shows only. Of course they are at reasonable volume levels and not driving the shit out of the speakers that's kind of the point. It's close enough for me for the base tone and it's alot of fun to play in the room and not go deaf I never intended a Zoom clip to replicate studio quality recordings as they won't. The 69 amp is just a stock plexi superlead.
The in the room mic clip of Jamie's Cryin reveals what Ed's Marshall sounded like in the room for better or worse there it is.......you will have to judge what comes close or what doesn't.
If there was such an all encompassing pedal that you are searching for, none of use would own plexis or have built them to get that sound.
