Favorite VH brown sound in a pedal solutions?

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mentoneman said:
i can’t play like him.
i just love his old tone and being able to play clean, rhythm and lead with just a volume knob is killer!
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I saw a Pete Thorn video where he mentioned talking to another guitarist and they were discussing EVH; Pete mentioned the idea that EVH "tuned to the guitar" and MA would tune to him. He shows an example of it...just another thing to add to the mix.

I'm sure you've listed to the isolated guitar tracks;





 
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mentoneman said:
he hit the amp input with an mxr or tc boost, and used the tc parametric rack eq to really dial in his tone.
i’ve seen him live using boogies, yamaha dg, and hughes and kettner amps. his boogie/secrets years were his best tones and playing imo.

an old thread here:

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/allan-holdsworth-was-phenomenal-last-night.12371/
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I enjoyed the synth axe, but some of my favorite AH tones are on The Sixteen Men Of Tain, and Heavy Machinery.
 
rsm said:
I enjoyed the synth axe, but some of my favorite AH tones are on The Sixteen Men Of Tain, and Heavy Machinery.
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he did a carvin clinic in west covina, ca during the tour of 16 men. he asked the audience a trivia question about what the 16 men of tain meant?
i had the answer; they were the group that founded the Glenmorangie distillery in Tain Scotland. i knew it because i produced a fly fishing show sponsored by Glenmorangie and we filmed a tour of the distillery from the peat moss springs the water came from to the aging barrels where we got to sample illegal proof examples of some of their finest 20 year old products. simply the best. (don’t buy the cheap stuff it tastes like band aids?)

i bought a flask at their gift shop and had them engrave my dad’s initials in it, and got the manager to fill it with that exclusive 20 yr old reserve to send to my dad.

when i gave allan the answer, he looked impressed with that bewildered expression of his, and i won a carvin shirt 2 sizes too small?
i also gave the Glenmorangie marketing director my copy of the 16 men cd and told him the story of how the greatest guitar player on earth paid homage to their single malt highland scotch whiskey.
 
Mentoneman Pete Thorn test drove this mini amp maybe it has the tones you are looking for... Sounds in line with a plexi.
 
paulyc said:
I’ve seen that, but I don’t remember re-amping in there ?
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There was no re-amping. I promise.

What re-amping DOES sorta/kinda approximate is the 1176 adding a bit of compression, the Pulteq EQ adding a tiny bit of compression, quite a bit of tube color, and scooping things out a bit.

12301 was a fantastic-sounding Marshall but it was the "record/mix it like it is a vocal" that Ted ordered Donn to do that is the magic. 12301, which you can hear in some of the raw (non-mixed/eq'd) tracks doesn't sound the same as VH1. It is the foundation of the sound on VH1, obviously.

In the front end, you can add a BOSS or MXR eq to pump the mids.

If your 68 clone has a very good loop (like a Friedman or Metro loop), you can add an 1176 pedal (I'd suggest the Origin Cali '76). The Pulteq EQ sound is harder to pull off from a pedal, but probably the Empress ParaEQ MkII could get close. Run those two in the loop to match the production. This assumes a very high headroom from your power section and a fully post PI placement.

If you go this route, then the speakers are out of the tonal part of the mix and you want a flatter response. I'd suggest the CL80, which sound decent anyway.

So, now you should be seeing something interesting...the signal chain looks a bit like a Mark II with EQ option.

We boost the mids and cut the lows going in, and reintroduce those frequencies going out...and the power section is basically clean. (see Ed's choice of the 6CA7 which responds more like the M2C's 6L6 glass.

Make sense?
 
Rdodson said:
There was no re-amping. I promise.

What re-amping DOES sorta/kinda approximate is the 1176 adding a bit of compression, the Pulteq EQ adding a tiny bit of compression, quite a bit of tube color, and scooping things out a bit.

12301 was a fantastic-sounding Marshall but it was the "record/mix it like it is a vocal" that Ted ordered Donn to do that is the magic. 12301, which you can hear in some of the raw (non-mixed/eq'd) tracks doesn't sound the same as VH1. It is the foundation of the sound on VH1, obviously.

In the front end, you can add a BOSS or MXR eq to pump the mids.

If your 68 clone has a very good loop (like a Friedman or Metro loop), you can add an 1176 pedal (I'd suggest the Origin Cali '76). The Pulteq EQ sound is harder to pull off from a pedal, but probably the Empress ParaEQ MkII could get close. Run those two in the loop to match the production. This assumes a very high headroom from your power section and a fully post PI placement.

If you go this route, then the speakers are out of the tonal part of the mix and you want a flatter response. I'd suggest the CL80, which sound decent anyway.

So, now you should be seeing something interesting...the signal chain looks a bit like a Mark II with EQ option.

We boost the mids and cut the lows going in, and reintroduce those frequencies going out...and the power section is basically clean. (see Ed's choice of the 6CA7 which responds more like the M2C's 6L6 glass.

Make sense?
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harddriver said:
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my friend and i profiled an atomica at his studio. until that day i really didn’t think the kemper was impressive. but once we built our own profile and played it through a tube power amp and 4x12, i changed my mind. here’s my friend sampling the profile.

 
Rdodson said:
There was no re-amping. I promise.

What re-amping DOES sorta/kinda approximate is the 1176 adding a bit of compression, the Pulteq EQ adding a tiny bit of compression, quite a bit of tube color, and scooping things out a bit.

12301 was a fantastic-sounding Marshall but it was the "record/mix it like it is a vocal" that Ted ordered Donn to do that is the magic. 12301, which you can hear in some of the raw (non-mixed/eq'd) tracks doesn't sound the same as VH1. It is the foundation of the sound on VH1, obviously.

In the front end, you can add a BOSS or MXR eq to pump the mids.

If your 68 clone has a very good loop (like a Friedman or Metro loop), you can add an 1176 pedal (I'd suggest the Origin Cali '76). The Pulteq EQ sound is harder to pull off from a pedal, but probably the Empress ParaEQ MkII could get close. Run those two in the loop to match the production. This assumes a very high headroom from your power section and a fully post PI placement.

If you go this route, then the speakers are out of the tonal part of the mix and you want a flatter response. I'd suggest the CL80, which sound decent anyway.

So, now you should be seeing something interesting...the signal chain looks a bit like a Mark II with EQ option.

We boost the mids and cut the lows going in, and reintroduce those frequencies going out...and the power section is basically clean. (see Ed's choice of the 6CA7 which responds more like the M2C's 6L6 glass.

Make sense?
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i’ve chased vh pretty hard over the years and arrived at results i was very satisfied with. not perfect but inspiring.

i don’t have any intention to recreate his rig. it’s 2024 for goodness sake….i expect a pedal to do it all in this day and age without sounding detached or synthetic like most digital recreations! ?

also, i hear your point about flat speakers in that context, but i love low wattage vintage celestions pumping in a 4x12 and that’s something no IR or cab emulation has ever been able to reproduce to my satisfaction.

i shot this at an after NAMM party eons ago and Kage is playing my mexi strat beater with an original sd pearly gates in it. i gave Mark an old mxr 6 band pedal that night cause i knew how much he was into old vh and it had some of the vibe of the 10 band.

 
rsm said:
I saw a Pete Thorn video where he mentioned talking to another guitarist and they were discussing EVH; Pete mentioned the idea that EVH "tuned to the guitar" and MA would tune to him. He shows an example of it...just another thing to add to the mix.

I'm sure you've listed to the isolated guitar tracks;





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these iso tracks are cool but something about the way they filter it makes the tone sound thinner and harsh.

i’m way more into the trove of ted t. releases that came out recently!
 
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harddriver said:
Mentoneman Pete Thorn test drove this mini amp maybe it has the tones you are looking for... Sounds in line with a plexi.
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it does sound cool. half the size with a built in variac and attenuator and they have my money?
 
Exo-metal said:
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great vid. even though i’ve seen all of these before it is a nice repository for vh tone here on rig talk. i think the majority of us vh-oholics know how to approximate eddie’s rig to get there. but in my mind, i just want the resulting tone of all that mess in a pedal, not trying to accurately reproduce stonehenge!

now find me my brown sound pedal people!
and no more “it’s not possible” talk!?

on a serious note

prayers to those affected by the explosion in downtown fort worth texas just now…?
 
mentoneman said:
great vid. even though i’ve seen all of these before it is a nice repository for vh tone here on rig talk. i think the majority of us vh-oholics know how to approximate eddie’s rig to get there. but in my mind, i just want the resulting tone of all that mess in a pedal, not trying to accurately reproduce stonehenge!

now find me my brown sound pedal people!
and no more “it’s not possible” talk!?

on a serious note

prayers to those affected by the explosion in downtown fort worth texas just now…?
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this isn’t brown or a pedal solution for it,
but is sure is raw and fiery:



friedman modded jcm800
guys got great tone in his vids.
 
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