Fryette VHT amps. Educate me

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Exactly. Especially when you're coming from something like a 5150 or JVM.

Was said above the Sig X's gain is boring, granted that's one persons opinion whereas I don't here that at all. In fact I much preferred the X to the UL Pittbull I owned. Now that is a dry high gain amp, the Sig is a little more juicy for lack of a better term. For the Pitbull players I could see where the Sig misses the mark though. Agree also in that Fryette cabs make a noticeable difference with those amps. They just go together whereas - obviously as that's how Steve designed them.

The original D60 is a beast and arguably my favorite Fryette. At the time (years ago) when I bought the X, I just needed more flexibility and a loop and why I didn't purchase the D60. Lords knows I played the D60 a ton trying to determine if I could live without a loop...at that time. Now that's a common mod you can buy from them.

I think not putting a loop in the D60 and D120 when they first debuted was a huge mistake, IMO that would have been a big selling amp. No loop, alot people just walked away.
I would take the Sig X over any of the Pittbull amps. For me the Sig X and Deliverance are equal but different. I prefer the Fryette amps over the Wizard amps. All this stuff is completely subjective. It is similar to who makes the best pizza. It is easy to find people that will tell one is better than the rest. That has nothing to do with what one is best for you.

Steve Fryette came up with the loop that could be put on the Deliverance because everyone complained about it. After several years 10 people worldwide bought the kit or had it installed. Turns out way more people wanted to complain about no loop than people that actually wanted one.

I thought about getting the loop for my Deliverance 120 and decided to buy the Power Station 100 with the foot switchable effects loop. Many of my amps do not have a effects loop or a master volume.
 
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All this stuff is completely subjective. It is similar to who makes the best pizza. It is easy to find people that will tell one is better than the rest. That has nothing to do with what one is best for you.

This is absolutely the bottom line with guitar gear and countless other things. One person's junk is another's treasure. It's entertaining when you get someone so adamant that amp X is the best thing out there yet they fail to recognize or admit that it's only the best for them. Food, gear, color, beer, cars, computers, the list is endless but the result is the same for all...IT'S PURELY SUBJECTIVE
 
This is absolutely the bottom line with guitar gear and countless other things. One person's junk is another's treasure. It's entertaining when you get someone so adamant that amp X is the best thing out there yet they fail to recognize or admit that it's only the best for them. Food, gear, color, beer, cars, computers, the list is endless but the result is the same for all...IT'S PURELY SUBJECTIVE
That being said, Mesa rules all. ;)
 
After several years 10 people worldwide bought the kit or had it installed. Turns out a lot way more people wanted to complain about no loop than people that actually wanted one.
No shit? I was one of those 10 people then :D the turnaround time was impressively quick too
 
I would take the Sig X over any of the Pittbull amps. For me the Sig X and Deliverance are equal but different. I prefer the Fryette amps over the Wizard amps. All this stuff is completely subjective. It is similar to who makes the best pizza. It is easy to find people that will tell one is better than the rest. That has nothing to do with what one is best for you.

Steve Fryette came up with the loop that could be put on the Deliverance because everyone complained about it. After several years 10 people worldwide bought the kit or had it installed. Turns out a lot way more people wanted to complain about no loop than people that actually wanted one.

I thought about getting the loop for my Deliverance 120 and decided to buy the Power Station 100 with the foot switchable effects loop. Many of my amps do not have a effects loop or a master volume.
I did this mod some years ago.. It works fine..

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Like many of you I can't wait to try out the 4 channel UL.

I'm on this tangent where I am using my amps with less gain. I often like a poweramp right as it is starting to saturate.
I really like the overdrive of the clean channel of the Sig X. I'm using the PS 100 to get there. I love the Hiwatt WHO Live at Leeds sound.
This is the fourth channel coming on the UL. They also came up with something for the clean stuff when developing the VALVULATOR® GP/DI that I believe will be incorporated.
Steve Fryette seems to be heading into using less gain with his designs. I mean adding more of this region availability.
 
Like many of you I can't wait to try out the 4 channel UL.

I'm on this tangent where I am using my amps with less gain. I often like a poweramp right as it is starting to saturate.
I really like the overdrive of the clean channel of the Sig X. I'm using the PS 100 to get there. I love the Hiwatt WHO Live at Leeds sound.
This is the fourth channel coming on the UL. They also came up with something for the clean stuff when developing the VALVULATOR® GP/DI that I believe will be incorporated.
Steve Fryette seems to be heading into using less gain with his designs. I mean adding more of this region availability.

Are they working on it? the new UL? will be stoked.... but lesser gain? ouch... Everybody knows Fryette brigs out the metal ! but lesser gain?! are we looking at useable gain like what we have on the current 3 channel UL? or a notch lesser?
 
Are they working on it? the new UL? will be stoked.... but lesser gain? ouch... Everybody knows Fryette brigs out the metal ! but lesser gain?! are we looking at useable gain like what we have on the current 3 channel UL? or a notch lesser?
Last thing I heard Steve say was on the Malcontents a few months ago saying the 4 channel UL will be done by the end of the year (last year). If it is done and when it will be available is unknown to me.

All the gain will still be there. I don't believe they are changing the 2 highgain channels or the clean channel much. Just adding the clean channel from the Sig X and some other stuff.

The region of gain between the clean and other two channels on the current UL.
Steve talks about there basically being two different types of amp sounds he is into. The big amp that sounds solid no matter what you throw at it and the small amp being overdriven and sounds like it is on the brink of implosion. We all love the UL for the big amp sound and feel.
I think he might be addressing the small amp end of this equation by adding the 4th channel. Pure speculation based the language Steve Fryette has used.
 
I was asked a question and figure this information could be useful to everyone. I have posted all this stuff before on various places around the Internet. Some I wrote other parts are from several people.

Depth and Presence.

Any amplifier with a resonance or Depth control of the type used by most guitar amplifier makers today are using the circuit developed by Fryette in the early 80s. And yes, it is effectively a means for adjusting damping factor around a particular frequency - in this case the speaker’s low frequency resonant peak as shown on a typical speaker impedance curve.


Damping is the control exerted on the speaker in an amplifier/speaker system and effectively limits the tendency of a speaker to “overshoot” or respond slowly to the application of electrical force.


Once you hit a speaker with low frequency electrical energy, the speaker returns to its rest state quickly or slowly depending on the damping action exerted by the amplifiers effective output impedance.


SS amps have lower effective output impedance by a factor of 10 compared to a tube amp, so negative feedback in a tube amp not only helps a tube amp maintain low distortion and decent linearity. At low frequencies where inertia and a large resonant peak team up to cause a speaker to wobble out of control, feedback is useful in lowering effective output impedance.


Fryette observed that being able to manually vary damping factor near the low frequency resonant peak of the speaker (thus the name “resonance” control) would be useful in “tuning” the interplay between the speaker and amp, allowing the player to dial in “tight” low end or “loose” cabinet response.


The contribution of cabinet construction to the behavior of the speakers and response of the amplifier, being a large variable between manufacturers using similar speakers, meant that you could use frequency selective variable damping to compensate for your amps behavior when used with different cabs.


More accurately, raising the effective output impedance around the frequency of interest to reduce damping factor around frequency of interest. In effect, variable attenuation of feedback around frequency of interest.
 
Power Amps
"because most racks used a preamp - or three - or a combination of preamps and slaved amps using resistive (not reactive) loads. Our power amps worked well because they brought the needed dynamic and tonal elements to get closer to a real amp sound.

These days, modelers have more (though certainly not all) of the tonal and dynamic ingredients and we have better loads like our Power Load, Power Station and the Suhr product to enhance the behavior of slaved amps. So now, the power amp can afford to be more neutral. Some feel that this validates SS power amps because "flat response", etc, which is not necessarily true, but that's the pitch.

Just because you have good reactive load and are using an EL34 based amp head, doesn't mean you need an EL34 power amp to somehow retain the amps original flavor. Once the amps EL34s have added their bit of spice, it doesn't make sense that an EL34 power amp is needed to preserve that, or that a 6L6 power amp somehow magically erases it. And especially that a SS power amp will somehow stay out of the way entirely.

In general, what a tube power amp in this case brings is dynamic feel, often severely lacking in SS power amps, or masked in tube power amps with heavy coloration or intentionally dragged dynamic response. The 2/50/2 delivers a very dynamic feel, which is why it works so well in this application. The LXII likewise delivers great dynamic response and can be operated as a more neutral amp sonically, or punched up to behave similarly to the 2/50/2.

I should mention that the 2/50/2 cheats a little because it's actually 65W per channel with both channels driven, comparable to the Mesa Simul Two:90 which is also good for around 65W per channel (both amps measured at 5% distortion). The LXII is 50W per channel on the nose (both channels driven), and close to 60W one channel only.

The main reason for using 6L6s in the LXII is because they tend to be more rugged mechanically, so better suited for use in this tight environment.

How is the LXII different from the Syn5050 (which yes, we also designed)? Well, there is a reason the LXII costs a little more and that mainly has to do with the build quality of transformers. Though similar in design, the LXII OTs use a particularly high quality steel grade and are precision wound with kraft insulation (as opposed to tape), which improves frequency response and tonal consistency. The LXII also has a little more dynamic responsiveness, which as stated above, is important for modelers, preamps and slaved amps. The LXII also has the remote switchable features and Line Outs on each channel. The Syn5050 gives a little more coloration and sag, which they wanted to enhance the flavor of the modules.

About the Presence and Depth trimpots, over the decades, we've seen that most users set those controls a particular way and don't change that much if ever. They're not radical tone shaping features anyway, so the idea that they need to be intensely on demand is not consistent with our long experience on the subject. Being able to set them to taste and then switch them on and off individually or simultaneously is a very useful feature, an idea also borne out in extensive user feedback and validated over 2 years or so in field testing.

Is the LXII just 2 Power Station power amps in one box? Yes and no. Both products follow the same basic topology used on all of our power amp designs, and yes there are essentially two amps on one chassis, but the toroid power transformer in the LXII is a more efficient and responsive item that the square transformers in the PS-2, PS-100, 2/50/2 and 2/90/2, so it kind of straddles both worlds. If you only use one channel of the LXII, it will be stiffer than the PS-2 as a power amp. If you run both channels in stereo, or in bridge mono, you'll have more headroom and get better power supply utilization, which will give you a better feel, but not at bedroom volume. So, which is best for you is all about application."

"Depends on how loud you'll be playing and which cabs you're driving. They're all similar in design and all sound massive at low to medium volumes.
The LXII sounds remarkably big for it's size. The 2/90/2 will sound massive at higher volume than the 2/50/2 obviously.
The Classic XXX will stomp anything at any volume.
BTW, Mick did and still does use Classics, not 2150. Upcoming tour will be powered by Classic XXX :dude."
 
Fryette Family Tree

I believe I have most of this correct ?

It shows the differences and similarly of the various amps.


The preamps of both Deliverance, Sig-X Rhythm channel & Memphis Drive channel are based on the Rhythm channel of the Pittbull's.


The Lead channel of the Sig-X is based on the Lead channel of the Pittbull's.


The Clean channel of the Memphis is based on the Clean channel of the Sig-X.


The GP3 is based on all three channels of the Pittnbull's.


Both the Sig-X and GP3 have the dynamic sensing feature. On the Sig, the sensitivity is fixed. On the GP3 it's adjustable on the front panel.


The power amp of the UL is similar to the 2150

The Power amp of the Sig X is similar to the 2/90/2


"CLX has a single 12AX7 driver stage, a different power transformer, a different output transformer and Dual Class Mode. It breaks up easier and has a bit more give - besides the EL34 voice.


UL does not have DualClass switch. Never did. Neither model has ever had Enhance Mode - the switchable tube/ss rectifier function.


The differences between the 2 models has varied over time, but has been stable over the last roughly 10 years.



Difference between the D60 and D120 is the driver stage. The 120 has a 2-tube driver/PI stage similar to the UL. The 60 has the single stage like the CLX. Preamp voicing is the same, but because of the difference in output and driver stage, the 60 sounds more pissed off compared to the 120 which sounds more like a bulldozer coming down your street."


- support


Most of it is based on two highgain channels and a few different clean channels. The real difference in all these amps is the Poweramp.
 
Steve Fryette came up with the loop that could be put on the Deliverance because everyone complained about it. After several years 10 people worldwide bought the kit or had it installed. Turns out way more people wanted to complain about no loop than people that actually wanted one.

That's funny - I'm one of them, Devin's one of them and I know Billy from guitargearforum is one. So right there, and I'm hardly on these forums anymore, I know 33.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333% of the people that got them.

Regardless, hopefully the mere existence of the option was able to close people's mouths so Steve could move on to other unimportant things people were complaining about.
 
I would take the Sig X over any of the Pittbull amps. For me the Sig X and Deliverance are equal but different. I prefer the Fryette amps over the Wizard amps. All this stuff is completely subjective. It is similar to who makes the best pizza. It is easy to find people that will tell one is better than the rest. That has nothing to do with what one is best for you.

Steve Fryette came up with the loop that could be put on the Deliverance because everyone complained about it. After several years 10 people worldwide bought the kit or had it installed. Turns out way more people wanted to complain about no loop than people that actually wanted one.

I thought about getting the loop for my Deliverance 120 and decided to buy the Power Station 100 with the foot switchable effects loop. Many of my amps do not have a effects loop or a master volume.
Lol, wow that's crazy about that loop over that time period. It'd be interesting to know how many had it done via other means. Granted no way to know that but 10 people WW, wow. Still, it require buying the loop and then finding a competent tech, not to mention the cost.

I'll admit, had it a loop when it was first out I would have purchased when they were first released. I just think he could have moved more amps with it than without it. Those things are fire breathers.

And 100% agree, it's all subjective. Btw/ the Power Station is a great piece of gear. If my amps didn't have such great MV's I'd have one. Almost bought several times just for recording.

Mmm, this talk about the D60, getting the itch 'cause I've really wanted something stripped down lately.
 
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I had actually had a local tech install a simple insert loop in mine before Fryette offered the mod, then mailed my amp to Fryette to have them install theirs. They even plugged the holes from the prior loop and sent me the jacks and wiring back :LOL:

They rebiased my amp while it was there too even though I didn't ask them to
 
For the life of me I don't get where people say Fryette amps are dry. I've owned several Ultra Leads, my most recent I've had since early 2012, a CLX, a Sig-X, and about 8 or 9 Deliverances. They are tight and clear, but there's plenty of gain and saturation...just no fizz or compression that a lot of amps tend to have. I guess for that reason, when compared to such other amps, people call them stiff or dry.

I'm a big fan of the Deliverance, but next to my UL, I always end up selling them, or with my most recent D60II, trading. They only amps I consider to be better than a Fryette (for my tastes) are Wizards. If you like Fryette, Wizard just takes it up a notch, IMO.
I think dry is an easy term to describe lack of compression, fizz, sizzle or hair on top of the gain structure. I actually like the compression you get from the 5150 or JVM style amps. It's just more forgiving but you do lose dynamics. On the other hand I like what the Fryette's do and why I own one. I just dial in more gain from my EP Boost to give a bit more hair and it's pretty much good to go.
 
I think dry is an easy term to describe lack of compression, fizz, sizzle or hair on top of the gain structure. I actually like the compression you get from the 5150 or JVM style amps. It's just more forgiving but you do lose dynamics. On the other hand I like what the Fryette's do and why I own one. I just dial in more gain from my EP Boost to give a bit more hair and it's pretty much good to go.

Yeah...I think it's that lack of compression, fizz, sizzle you describe, but also the clarity and revealing nature of amps like VHT/Fryette and the lack of harmonic content; they're almost like playing with a gate even when you're not...just not a lot of underlying harmonic content and extra transient sounds going on and very quiet with fast start/stop when your playing that way. Because of the former, I I think the VHT/Fryette amps might come off "dry" or neutral, even slightly sterile sounding to some folks.
 
Who makes the VHT amps/not fryette that are available now?
 
For the life of me I don't get where people say Fryette amps are dry. I've owned several Ultra Leads, my most recent I've had since early 2012, a CLX, a Sig-X, and about 8 or 9 Deliverances. They are tight and clear, but there's plenty of gain and saturation...just no fizz or compression that a lot of amps tend to have. I guess for that reason, when compared to such other amps, people call them stiff or dry.

I'm a big fan of the Deliverance, but next to my UL, I always end up selling them, or with my most recent D60II, trading. They only amps I consider to be better than a Fryette (for my tastes) are Wizards. If you like Fryette, Wizard just takes it up a notch, IMO.
I agree with this about the wizards . Also I don’t find them too dry they just don’t have that over processed saturation thst some people prefer from years of bed room amps . I feel that where the dry thought comes from
 
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