Help with new Torpedo Live

[CCT]

Try moving the virtual mic away from the center/dust-cap, and also consider a HPF and LPF if needed to control bottom and fizz (as well as perhaps not using the Marshall's bright input seeing some 800's had a massive bright cap, as well as dialing down the amp's presence control). If you're hitting the front end with a pedal try one that isn't full range, something like a tube screamer or equivilent with a mid-boost.

I'd suggest purchasing the BoGreen Cab for great vintage Marshall tones...

http://store.two-notes.com/index.php?id ... &id_lang=2

Note that you'll also be needing a room sim for room-tone to actually compare with a real mic'd cab seeing the real mic captures room-tone that isn't part of the cab-sim.

Great tones can be had from the CAB/LIVE, there's no doubt about that.

Iirc I had moved the mic off axis. I've never cared much for anything on axis so I'm pretty sure would have...I don't even like standing directly if front of my cabs

Can you suggest frequencies that you find work well for HP and LP?

Surprising I know, but I've never used any TS type pedals...any suggestions as I know there are a bazillion out there

I checked the BoGreen. Sounds interesting, thanks. One of my Marshall 4x12's has the Greenbacks

Can you clue me in on the room sim? Couldn't I achieve that result with a reverb plug in? The Focusrite as well as Reaper have reverb plug ins...are they not "good" enough?

Thanks for your ideas and help...I really appreciate it

 

[CCT]

I think your recording sounds good. I would try the R121 mic and ''The One" cab from two notes and go from there.
Move the mic position bit by bit etc.

The cabs have a huge impact and the mics to.

Thanks for your kind words and help

 

[djd100]

HPF/LPF Use; depends on a number of variables (tone desired, clean/dirty, mix density to name a few), but you can start at say HPF @ 90Hz, and LPF @ 6K and adjust from there. Don't forget the LIVE's EQ either, it's very good.

TS Style Pedals; that encompasses most all OD's, but for example the Xotic AC Booster and the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive come to mind as I own them, as well as the Fat Pants custom clean boost (has filters and EQ). Germanium Fuzz Face on minimum works too.

Room Sims; most any short reverb will work in a pinch, say between 250ms and 750ms depending on what you want, with a good level of early reflections. Pre-Delay will set the room size in relation to the mic'd cab (distance to boundaries etc). Use that in addition to any other reverbs and delays. Ultimately I prefer convolution if available, and I use Altiverb as it has a great library of famous recording environments.

NOTE that mic, speaker, and cab choice often/usually has as much or more influence on the final tone than the amp head itself, so if you're for instance chasing Steve Steven's demo tone speaker choice is critical with your 800. Good tones can be had with a single close-mic (and a room mic generally, though that's what the room sim is for in this scenario), and I actually prefer a single close-mic as I like to hear the mic vs a blend of mic's, though either way can yield great results depending on taste etc.

Mic'ing guitar cabs is an art, though it's an art you can learn painlessly with the Two Notes gear (try all mic's for a given cab, in all positions, noting that things are brightest near the dust-cap, darker at the edge of cone, more bass up close with the cardioid and ribbon mics in any case, less bass and more room tone phase colorization farther back!

Try moving the virtual mic away from the center/dust-cap, and also consider a HPF and LPF if needed to control bottom and fizz (as well as perhaps not using the Marshall's bright input seeing some 800's had a massive bright cap, as well as dialing down the amp's presence control). If you're hitting the front end with a pedal try one that isn't full range, something like a tube screamer or equivalent with a mid-boost.

I'd suggest purchasing the BoGreen Cab for great vintage Marshall tones...

http://store.two-notes.com/index.php?id ... &id_lang=2

Note that you'll also be needing a room sim for room-tone to actually compare with a real mic'd cab seeing the real mic captures room-tone that isn't part of the cab-sim.

Great tones can be had from the CAB/LIVE, there's no doubt about that.

Iirc I had moved the mic off axis. I've never cared much for anything on axis so I'm pretty sure would have...I don't even like standing directly if front of my cabs

Can you suggest frequencies that you find work well for HP and LP?

Surprising I know, but I've never used any TS type pedals...any suggestions as I know there are a bazillion out there

I checked the BoGreen. Sounds interesting, thanks. One of my Marshall 4x12's has the Greenbacks

Can you clue me in on the room sim? Couldn't I achieve that result with a reverb plug in? The Focusrite as well as Reaper have reverb plug ins...are they not "good" enough?

Thanks for your ideas and help...I really appreciate it

 

[guillaume_pille]

I've got experience with that end of it...doing the actual recording/engineering/mixing...not so much

You would be surprised of how many pro guitar players (even some famous ones) I've been talking to are totally illiterate about the recording process (not saying you are ). It's a different job, and a real one, to make a guitar sound good in a mix.

I guess things are changing and the guitarist/bassist are more and more educated in these matters, because everybody's recording at home now, but still...

We will try to help you as much as we can.

Can you suggest frequencies that you find work well for HP and LP?

It really depends on the final mix you're working on, I wouldn't care about that at first.

About the reverbs, i'm not a big fan of the Reaper ones, I'm usually using the Valhalla plugins. But Reaverb can be of some help:

 

[CCT]

I've got experience with that end of it...doing the actual recording/engineering/mixing...not so much

You would be surprised of how many pro guitar players (even some famous ones) I've been talking to are totally illiterate about the recording process (not saying you are ). It's a different job, and a real one, to make a guitar sound good in a mix.

Well, compared with someone that does have the artistry and experience in engineering and mixing I am definitely illiterate!!

OK I did remember that I had done a test micing my 77 JMP/Marsh 4x12 with a close 57, so I set up a basic 57 w the Brit VintC cab with the JMP. You were right... the TL was definitely comparable to the "real" thing. Hmmmm, cool!

So, with this new revelation I started to try other cab/mic/postion/EQ combos. All of a sudden, the volume drops, I look at the TL screen and it says "Stop Playing". It's too hot. I check and the fan is not running... it should be obviously? I gently took the end of a nearby pencil and, poking it through the grate, nudged one of the fan blades. The fan started spinning...and making a fairly loud screech/squeal/humming noise. Louder than I was monitoring my playback. I had read somewhere about another TL owner having the noise issue. Long story short, I hoped it was an isolated fluke so when the TL cooled down and went back to operational, I continued playing and tweaking. Got the "stop playing" message again because the fan wasn't operating again. 3rd time a charm...unfortunately not as it happened again.

My new discovery session was foiled I'll be returning it as there's obviously a problem with this particular TL. A bit concerning I have to say... Dang

 

[guillaume_pille]

Oh, that's something different.

I think we had another similar case, and I apologize for that happening to you too: if you loosen the screws a little, everything will be fine. If you don't want to do that please ask for an exchange, or ask to a technician in your area it's just a matter of a couple minutes to do that.

 

[CCT]

I returned the TL today.........and upgraded to the Torpedo Studio! I should have it mid to late next week

I'm looking forward to the extra's The TS has!

 

[Hung Huy Tran]

I returned the TL today.........and upgraded to the Torpedo Studio! I should have it mid to late next week

I'm looking forward to the extra's The TS has!

Please report back after you've had some time with it!

 

[guillaume_pille]

I returned the TL today.........and upgraded to the Torpedo Studio! I should have it mid to late next week

I'm looking forward to the extra's The TS has!

That's the way to go IMHO, and I don't usually push anyone to upgrade. But I'm sure you need the extras on the Studio.

 

[CCT]

I returned the TL today.........and upgraded to the Torpedo Studio! I should have it mid to late next week

I'm looking forward to the extra's The TS has!

That's the way to go IMHO, and I don't usually push anyone to upgrade. But I'm sure you need the extras on the Studio.

I think so too. Thanks for the gentle nudge ;-)

I'm sure I'll need some guidance and tips

 

[CCT]

HPF/LPF Use; depends on a number of variables (tone desired, clean/dirty, mix density to name a few), but you can start at say HPF @ 90Hz, and LPF @ 6K and adjust from there. Don't forget the LIVE's EQ either, it's very good.

TS Style Pedals; that encompasses most all OD's, but for example the Xotic AC Booster and the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive come to mind as I own them, as well as the Fat Pants custom clean boost (has filters and EQ). Germanium Fuzz Face on minimum works too.

Room Sims; most any short reverb will work in a pinch, say between 250ms and 750ms depending on what you want, with a good level of early reflections. Pre-Delay will set the room size in relation to the mic'd cab (distance to boundaries etc). Use that in addition to any other reverbs and delays. Ultimately I prefer convolution if available, and I use Altiverb as it has a great library of famous recording environments.

NOTE that mic, speaker, and cab choice often/usually has as much or more influence on the final tone than the amp head itself, so if you're for instance chasing Steve Steven's demo tone speaker choice is critical with your 800. Good tones can be had with a single close-mic (and a room mic generally, though that's what the room sim is for in this scenario), and I actually prefer a single close-mic as I like to hear the mic vs a blend of mic's, though either way can yield great results depending on taste etc.

Mic'ing guitar cabs is an art, though it's an art you can learn painlessly with the Two Notes gear (try all mic's for a given cab, in all positions, noting that things are brightest near the dust-cap, darker at the edge of cone, more bass up close with the cardioid and ribbon mics in any case, less bass and more room tone phase colorization farther back!

Try moving the virtual mic away from the center/dust-cap, and also consider a HPF and LPF if needed to control bottom and fizz (as well as perhaps not using the Marshall's bright input seeing some 800's had a massive bright cap, as well as dialing down the amp's presence control). If you're hitting the front end with a pedal try one that isn't full range, something like a tube screamer or equivalent with a mid-boost.

I'd suggest purchasing the BoGreen Cab for great vintage Marshall tones...

http://store.two-notes.com/index.php?id ... &id_lang=2

Note that you'll also be needing a room sim for room-tone to actually compare with a real mic'd cab seeing the real mic captures room-tone that isn't part of the cab-sim.

Great tones can be had from the CAB/LIVE, there's no doubt about that.

Iirc I had moved the mic off axis. I've never cared much for anything on axis so I'm pretty sure would have...I don't even like standing directly if front of my cabs

Can you suggest frequencies that you find work well for HP and LP?

Surprising I know, but I've never used any TS type pedals...any suggestions as I know there are a bazillion out there

I checked the BoGreen. Sounds interesting, thanks. One of my Marshall 4x12's has the Greenbacks

Can you clue me in on the room sim? Couldn't I achieve that result with a reverb plug in? The Focusrite as well as Reaper have reverb plug ins...are they not "good" enough?

Thanks for your ideas and help...I really appreciate it

Sorry for not responding sooner! I really appreciate your help and ideas. I did check out AltiVerb...Wow! I'll have to wait on that one... it sounds amazing!
I'll experiment with your suggestions when I have the TS.

Thanks much

 

[CCT]

Hey guys,

Well, I've had the TS for about a week and have "played" with it a couple of times...I'm having TROUBLE finding a BAD sound now!!!!

Guillaume, you were absolutely correct in your assessment that I needed the "extras" of the TS. This is exactly what I've needed. I bought another ten or so cabs as well Thank you! Much thanks to all of you for your help and suggestions

I'd appreciate a bit more guidance in helping me get the most out of this awesome piece of gear...

Connection wise, I'm using the analog outs into my Focusrite 18i8. Would the S/pdif out/in be a better choice for me?
Also I'm getting a bit of latency right now. I've tried switching between "normal/low" as well as switching from 96khz to 44.1 but still have the latency. I assume I'm not doing something quite right. This is as I'm monitoring the "recorded" sound through the DAW so I can hear what is being printed and monitor effects(to give me some grease for playing) from my effects buss. The latency is there regardless of the effects buss on or muted if that makes sense.

Can you suggest basic settings for me regarding using the TS's compressor? Understanding of course that it depends on taste, amps, cabs and the other bazillion variables

Just curious, does anyone use the TS's power amp sim in conjunction with an amp?

Much thanks...Hopefully I will be able to share some ideas in return.

Craig

 

[Hung Huy Tran]

Connection wise, I'm using the analog outs into my Focusrite 18i8. Would the S/pdif out/in be a better choice for me?
Also I'm getting a bit of latency right now. I've tried switching between "normal/low" as well as switching from 96khz to 44.1 but still have the latency. I assume I'm not doing something quite right. This is as I'm monitoring the "recorded" sound through the DAW so I can hear what is being printed and monitor effects(to give me some grease for playing) from my effects buss. The latency is there regardless of the effects buss on or muted if that makes sense.

Just curious, does anyone use the TS's power amp sim in conjunction with an amp?

FWIW I have the Torpedo Live and was using the focusrite 6i6 for a time. I couldn't hear a difference between the analog outs vs the spdif into my focusrite 6i6. To be fair, I was simultaneously fighting with focusrite's mix control software and I was quite frustrated overall.

As for latency, have you tried adjusting the buffer size in your DAW? I'm currently using the 2i4, and there was serious latency at first. Lowering the buffer size/rate in my DAW took care of that problem.

I have experimented with the TL's power amp sim in conjunction with an amp. It's fun to play with but when it came to mixing the guitar tracks were harder to manage IME so I don't play with it anymore.

 

[danilive]

CCT:
You can make a sound sample with TS, just as you did with the TL?

Hung Huy Tran:
You no longer uses the focusrite 6i6? He gave me some work the mixer, but I managed to work well.

 

[Hung Huy Tran]

Hung Huy Tran:
You no longer uses the focusrite 6i6? He gave me some work the mixer, but I managed to work well.

Nope. I'm currently using the 2i4. So far I'm happy with it.

 

[CCT]

CCT:
You can make a sound sample with TS, just as you did with the TL?

Here's my first recording test/experimentation.

Any thoughts or suggestions guys.

I should probably start a new thread for all this with the TS, yes?

 

[danilive]

Here's my first recording test/experimentation.

Any thoughts or suggestions guys.

I should probably start a new thread for all this with the TS, yes?

Fantastic!!!

I think you should start a new topic based on their experience with TS. I think this because you obviously plays very well. And any reference to sounds is, for me, a fantastic source of information. (I am, despite my advanced age , an amateur eternal ...).
Having used Axe-fx and Kemper, the Torpedo Live has given me credibility in the sound (sitting in my house) that had never before been achieved. And I intend to continue in that way.

That is why I insist on hearing all that I can to forum users. And any comments based on these samples. Amps guitar pedals .....

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hung Huy Tran]

Here's my first recording test/experimentation.

Sounds great!

 

[CCT]

Thanks for the kind words guys.

I used my JCM( which is my least favorite head) and a couple different presets I made in the TS. One used the BoGreen and Randall cabs, the other the BoGreen and Brit VintC.
Lots more things to try and experiment with the TS, but I am really liking and am impressed with the TS!

 

[cpiquette]

dude... that sounds killer! I feel like I'm now starting to become happy with the sounds I'm getting. It's really starting to get that polished sound right outta the box.