Herbert vs Uberschall

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I already know what most are going to say, "Get Herbert".

I'm tossing around getting either an Uberschall or Herbert. What I would like to know is if the Herbert can match the sonic goods that an Uberschall can dish out in the hard/heavy realm? I already know the Herbert will definately be more versitile. But I'm looking at the Uberschall for it's ungodly ability in heavier styles of music.

Any thoughts?

Thanks, Mike.
 
i prefer the herbert, but this is more a preference thing, so your better off a-b-ing them to decide.
 
Ask Wizard of Oz for a completely unbiased opinion :D
 
Can't go wrong with either amp. Herbert can do everything the Uber can do and more. The Herbert is tighter but the Uber tightens up nicely with a boost.

Ultimately I sold the Uber because the Herbert destroyed it. :D

I recently got an ENGL SE and I prefer that to the Uber as well. The Uber does have a certain cool factor to it though.


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thegame":13229 said:
Ask Wizard of Oz for a completely unbiased opinion :D
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Yes! Then all we need is C-4 to round out an open discussion on the subject. ;)
 
I've owned both and ended up preferring the Herbert because I found it more tweakable and appreciated the extra channel and other features it has. Both have good tones for Metal and good clean channels, master volumes, FX loops etc. so I would try them out and listen to as many clips as you can. The Uber is still my 2nd favorite amp but it had some things that annoyed me in the end so I sold it. If I was rich I would have kept both amps. I still have and love the Herbert. :rock:

You can hear some recordings on my band's site: http://www.divinity.ca - the left side is Uber and the right side is Herbert, this is pretty close to what they sounded like in the room IMO though of course they can be tweaked differently etc.
 
I didn't really find one superior for doing heavy music. It'll just boil down to your tastes. That being said I'll give you my pro and cons of each in regards to heavy music:

Herbert
Pros-Very tight bass response, easy to get a killer sound, very easy to play
Cons-Too compressed in feel and sound (too "hi-fi")

Uberschall
Pros-Great dynamics for a high gainer, punchy as all get out, more aggressive in the mids
Cons-Can be tricky eqing at first because of the mid and presence interaction

While I may be in the minority around here, I still have the Uber and sold the Herbert. It has a rawness to its tone I never found in the Herbert, whereas the Herbert can get a bit more polished sounding. The Uber is just more my thing. I still like the Herbert alot, but it's just that the Uber sounds and feels more real and has better picking dynamics IMO. I also don't find the Uber's low end to be as loose as many let on. It's not as tight as the Herbert's, but still plenty tight.

While they each have their own distinctive tone, I found the biggest difference in each amps feel. The Herbert has an apparent amount of compression that you'll either like or not. This is why the Herbert plays like butter though. The Uber on the other hand is bit more open sounding and feeling. So while it may take a little more work to play, I like that it responds to picking dynamics more. Definately take that in consideration. Also, don't forget there are 3 versions of the Uber. It's my understanding that there is quite a bit of difference between them. Mine is a Rev 2 FYI.
 
My first generation Uber was much meaner sounding than the Herbert I tried.
 
These amps sound VERY different. If you're looking for modern high gain I would suggest listening to both amps at the settings you prefer and then determining what voicing fits your wants/needs.

I cannot emphasize enough how different these amps sound...
 
I would love to A/B them, but I don't have access to both amps without buying one online.
 
Maybe you guy's could steer me one way or another. I'm a Mesa Recto lover, not the new 3 channel stuff, but older 2 channel and Tremoverb type of tone which I find to be fuller sounding. Which amp would give me that Recto overloaded on steriods type of heavy sound without loosing definition and getting flubby? I want a full & chunky bottom end that makes people go "WTF was that?!?!?!?! I didn't know that type of thunder was possible from a guitar." I don't want shrill or thin sounding. Don't want buzziness either, but grit is OK. :rock:

What I'm looking for is something that will make my bass player nervous. :lol: :LOL:
 
I own both & there is no way I can get one to do what the other does. They sound different & play different, both superb amps. Personally I use Uberschall more than Herbert, but that's just a taste thing & those are 2 peaces of gear in my studio that I will sell the last if I really REALLY have to.

If you like Mesa Rectro - Herbert is definitely what you want. Herbert is like the very very good version of Rectro & some more.

IMO
Herbert - Rectro killer
Uber - modded JCM800 killer
I'm sure some will disagree.

Make sure you have a good guitar with these, they are very unforgiving to shitty instruments.

On the other hand Uber is most likely to make your bass player nervous. I guess you'll have to try them.
 
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I've owned both and ended up preferring the Herbert because I found it more tweakable and appreciated the extra channel and other features it has. Both have good tones for Metal and good clean channels, master volumes, FX loops etc. so I would try them out and listen to as many clips as you can. The Uber is still my 2nd favorite amp but it had some things that annoyed me in the end so I sold it. If I was rich I would have kept both amps. I still have and love the Herbert. :rock:

You can hear some recordings on my band's site: http://www.divinity.ca - the left side is Uber and the right side is Herbert, this is pretty close to what they sounded like in the room IMO though of course they can be tweaked differently etc.
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wow dude...your band kicks total ass! :thumbsup:
 
Great dynamics for a high gainer
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"Bogner"

I have only tried one Uber...it might have been the first revision or something but ever time you rolled the volume down to get a less saturated tone it cut the notes off like some gate was on it, totally pissed me off and forced me to do any stuff like that in our band because of it, that's when I had my Recto which killed the Uber dynamics wise, sound wise the Recto left with it's tail between it's legs. Funny you metioned Recto's because I thought it sounded like a smoothed out meaner recto, with a punch that would make Tyson proud, and that was with his mid's pumped, that unfortunately drowned my Triple recto.

On to Herbie,

My Favorite, and amp that I own. Definitely Plenty of bass to be had more than the Uber not really fond of a bass heavy sound really more in for the punch and fat punchy notes which both do well, the single notes are punchier on a Herbert though. The Herbert is WAY more dynamic and clear, when set up right (as I said at least to the one I tried, maybe it was changed in later revisions). I have to say the Uber cuts better in a live unmiced mix, but the Herbert sits in the mix better if that makes sense? Much better clean channel if thats a must. Really just different beasts'.

Having played in a band that used a recto and Uber for a solid year together, I'd say the Uber is your safe bet, I played a recto for 4 years, and played my buds Uber all the time. It was everything I wanted the recto to be minus dynamics. But in the end the Herbert suited me better because I fell in love with that Diezel sound.
 
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert":e6fd5 said:
Great dynamics for a high gainer
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"Bogner"

I have only tried one Uber...it might have been the first revision or something but ever time you rolled the volume down to get a less saturated tone it cut the notes off like some gate was on it, totally pissed me off and forced me to do any stuff like that in our band because of it, that's when I had my Recto which killed the Uber dynamics wise, sound wise the Recto left with it's tail between it's legs. Funny you metioned Recto's because I thought it sounded like a smoothed out meaner recto, with a punch that would make Tyson proud, and that was with his mid's pumped, that unfortunately drowned my Triple recto.

On to Herbie,

My Favorite, and amp that I own. Definitely Plenty of bass to be had more than the Uber not really fond of a bass heavy sound really more in for the punch and fat punchy notes which both do well, the single notes are punchier on a Herbert though. The Herbert is WAY more dynamic and clear, when set up right (as I said at least to the one I tried, maybe it was changed in later revisions). I have to say the Uber cuts better in a live unmiced mix, but the Herbert sits in the mix better if that makes sense? Much better clean channel if thats a must. Really just different beasts'.

Having played in a band that used a recto and Uber for a solid year together, I'd say the Uber is your safe bet, I played a recto for 4 years, and played my buds Uber all the time. It was everything I wanted the recto to be minus dynamics. But in the end the Herbert suited me better because I fell in love with that Diezel sound.
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It sounds like you may have played the Rev. 1 Uber. I've heard their gain taper is a bit whack so I could see that.

If I checked out an Uber I'd go with Rev. 2 or the Blue Rev. From what I understand Rev. 2 fixed the gain taper and possibly a couple of other things. The Blue is bit brighter and more Marshally, but isn't quite as massive sounding as the earlier ones.

The Static X clips on the Bogner site are a pretty accurate representation of the Uber tone I think. Also check out the Herbert clips on the Rebel Amps page. While clips don't tell the whole story, I think the distinctive Uber and Herbert tones are definately apparent with those clips.
 
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert":4ddf4 said:
Great dynamics for a high gainer
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"Bogner"

I have only tried one Uber...it might have been the first revision or something but ever time you rolled the volume down to get a less saturated tone it cut the notes off like some gate was on it, totally pissed me off and forced me to do any stuff like that in our band because of it, that's when I had my Recto which killed the Uber dynamics wise, sound wise the Recto left with it's tail between it's legs. Funny you metioned Recto's because I thought it sounded like a smoothed out meaner recto, with a punch that would make Tyson proud, and that was with his mid's pumped, that unfortunately drowned my Triple recto.

On to Herbie,

My Favorite, and amp that I own. Definitely Plenty of bass to be had more than the Uber not really fond of a bass heavy sound really more in for the punch and fat punchy notes which both do well, the single notes are punchier on a Herbert though. The Herbert is WAY more dynamic and clear, when set up right (as I said at least to the one I tried, maybe it was changed in later revisions). I have to say the Uber cuts better in a live unmiced mix, but the Herbert sits in the mix better if that makes sense? Much better clean channel if thats a must. Really just different beasts'.

Having played in a band that used a recto and Uber for a solid year together, I'd say the Uber is your safe bet, I played a recto for 4 years, and played my buds Uber all the time. It was everything I wanted the recto to be minus dynamics. But in the end the Herbert suited me better because I fell in love with that Diezel sound.
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I have revision blue & it has enormous amount of low end & great dynamics with no issue of gating the sound.
I agree that it's a lot easier to mic Herbert & it sits in the mix perfectly. With Uber you need to put some efforts to capture it right & to make it sit in the mix.
 
Having played an Uber on numerous occasions and owning a Herbert (with a new one on the way). I'd pick the Herbert 10 times out 10. The Uber just didn't do anything for me.....not pick attack/response at all, FAR from tight, unplayable to me without a boost.....the Herbert, being my all time favorite amp (cobra close 2nd), is not only far better tonally for Heavier styles of music....it also sounds great for all types of tones, my 2favorite channels were CH2+(midcut engaged) and CH2- (no midcut) mmmmm can't wait for my new one! :rock:
 
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