I Hope You Guys Are Ready For A Huge Stock Market Correction

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Floyd Eye said:
I don't keep any guns that aren't reliable. The first gen KelTecs had issues, but mine never has. I have no interest in any of their handguns or PCCs, but I like this shotgun.
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Hopefully I didn't come across as suggesting they weren't. It was mostly in regard to the Saiga/Tromix stuff. The mags are polymer but they remind me of the good ol' Tapco AK mags with sturdy feed lips, which have never failed me. I have steels too but the Tapcos, no longer in production, were like 8-10 bucks each and for sale everywhere so I wound up with a bunch of them too. Only drawback to them is they don't fit in web gear very well, if at all. TBH I shot a deer the other day using a Tapco I keep loaded with five or six rounds of hunting ammo. It's been loaded for 7 or 8 years and there are no signs of deformation or anything.

My kel tec friend has the sub 2000 carbine. Ugly as sin IMO but he loves it. Lightweight, super portable, and plenty of firepower on tap without being unreasonably priced.

Floyd Eye said:
I have a few friends with FFLs. The problem these days is most of the gun prices, at least on new releases, is set by the manufacturers. If you look for example at the new HK VP9 F1, you will see the same exact price regardless of vendor. It usually takes a year or so for sales to slump off and prices to relax and vary.
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I never look for new releases for the most part. I'm the same way with guitar stuff and then when it's out of production ten years on I wind up paying more for stuff I didn't realize was awesome at the time it came out, lol, so maybe I should be watching more new releases.
 
VonBonfire said:
Hopefully I didn't come across as suggesting they weren't. It was mostly in regard to the Saiga/Tromix stuff. The mags are polymer but they remind me of the good ol' Tapco AK mags with sturdy feed lips, which have never failed me. I have steels too but the Tapcos, no longer in production, were like 8-10 bucks each and for sale everywhere so I wound up with a bunch of them too. Only drawback to them is they don't fit in web gear very well, if at all. TBH I shot a deer the other day using a Tapco I keep loaded with five or six rounds of hunting ammo. It's been loaded for 7 or 8 years and there are no signs of deformation or anything.

My kel tec friend has the sub 2000 carbine. Ugly as sin IMO but he loves it. Lightweight, super portable, and plenty of firepower on tap without being unreasonably priced.


I never look for new releases for the most part. I'm the same way with guitar stuff and then when it's out of production ten years on I wind up paying more for stuff I didn't realize was awesome at the time it came out, lol, so maybe I should be watching more new releases.
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Not at all brother. I have a severe, possibly irrational, dislike of external, box mag fed shotguns. Especially the ones made in Turkey. Or ANY gun made in Turkey for that matter. That dislike does not apply to ARs or other rifle platforms. I'm not going to give an estimation of the total number of 5.56 mags I have, but I assure you it is enough. Every single one of them is a gen 2 or gen 3 Pmag. The reason isn't because I dislike steel or any other USGI mags. The fact is that in every gun I have ever used them or seen them used, a PMag has never failed in any way. Prior to the DOD releasing funds that would allow P Mags to be furnished to soldiers, the number one thing soldiers who were being deployed spent their own money on was PMags.
 
I don't really know what you guys are talking about but as far as I'm concerned gun-talk is the most wholesome apart from guitar gear here on RT.
 
acceptance said:
Knives are cool too. And flashlights. Just got me a streamlight microstream for christmas and I love it.
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I have a few Streamlight WMLs ( Weapon Mounted Light). I'm really not a WML acolyte. Some guys put them on everything, including carry pistols. I put one on a shotgun and one on an AR. My thinking was if I have to go mobile for any length of time I will likely only have time to grab one or two long guns and they may as well have lights on them because you never know if you're gonna need one. I put the Streamlight Pro Tac on one of my tier 1 ARs, but my main jam being shotguns I couldn't bear the thought of putting one on one of my tier 1 shotguns. Still, it is on an utterly reliable and proven shotgun that I've trained with since I was about 21.
 

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acceptance said:
That seems silly, unless carry = nightstand as well I guess. Having one on a grab n go makes sense.

PS nice Vader, got tha links 🤣
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I think the idea is caught in a dark alley or something. Mostly stuff that doesn't apply to me. Pointing a light on the end of a gun at someone IS pointing a gun at someone. If I'm doing that I have already made my mind up what I'm doing. Personally I think the primary, legitimate function is for cops so they don't have to have a light in one hand and a stupid grip on their sidearm to use it. They apparently get to point guns at people they may or may not be getting ready to shoot. For most of us that's called brandishing and is a felony. As far as anything in my house, I have very low voltage lighting at night, most of which is not dependent on electricity and it seems to me shining a light primarily serves to give away your position.

Vader's alright. She's got a trio of similarly sized Stormtroopers too. Calls them her plastic boyfriends. Should see her tooling around town in her rail buggy with a stormtrooper in a 3 point harness in the passenger bucket.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I think the idea is caught in a dark alley or something. Mostly stuff that doesn't apply to me. Pointing a light on the end of a gun at someone IS pointing a gun at someone. If I'm doing that I have already made my mind up what I'm doing. Personally I think the primary, legitimate function is for cops so they don't have to have a light in one hand and a stupid grip on their sidearm to use it. They apparently get to point guns at people they may or may not be getting ready to shoot. For most of us that's called brandishing and is a felony. As far as anything in my house, I have very low voltage lighting at night, most of which is not dependent on electricity and it seems to me shining a light primarily serves to give away your position.

Vader's alright. She's got a trio of similarly sized Stormtroopers too. Calls them her plastic boyfriends. Should see her tooling around town in her rail buggy with a stormtrooper in a 3 point harness in the passenger bucket.
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I agree with everything you say but I don't have good exterior lighting and my property is posted at the gate. It gets very dark back here some nights. It's easier to grab gun w/flashlight at night than gun and flashlight separately. Even if they are next to each other you've tied up one hand unless you gun grip the light or were sleeping with a holster on, lol. I have a quick IWB but it doesn't work when I have the light on it, lol. No bueno. And a good TLR does not require pointing the gun at someone to illuminate them and the area around them. I can light up my back field at about 80 yards pretty well. It's usually quiet out here at night so if there is some big commotion or yelling that awakens me, they are already trespassing on my property.

We keep a good old fashioned maglight near the door for general use. A bit crude but still more powerful than the TLR and it's big so it's a crappy club and hard to misplace. I heard coyotes screaming out back the other night and as soon as I lit up the field I didn't hear a peep, lol. Anyways I gotta red dog sleeping by the woostove that runs nightwatch and can def handle business.
 
VonBonfire said:
I agree with everything you say but I don't have good exterior lighting and my property is posted at the gate. It gets very dark back here some nights. It's easier to grab gun w/flashlight at night than gun and flashlight separately. Even if they are next to each other you've tied up one hand unless you gun grip the light or were sleeping with a holster on, lol. I have a quick IWB but it doesn't work when I have the light on it, lol. No bueno. And a good TLR does not require pointing the gun at someone to illuminate them and the area around them. I can light up my back field at about 80 yards pretty well. It's usually quiet out here at night so if there is some big commotion or yelling that awakens me, they are already trespassing on my property.

We keep a good old fashioned maglight near the door for general use. A bit crude but still more powerful than the TLR and it's big so it's a crappy club and hard to misplace. I heard coyotes screaming out back the other night and as soon as I lit up the field I didn't hear a peep, lol. Anyways I gotta red dog sleeping by the woostove that runs nightwatch and can def handle business.
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Oddly enough I've taken a couple classes focused on night shooting which included WMLs, though it was mostly NV so I am familiar with what are commonly called best practices with them, it's just that I don't really find myself in need of them, particularly on a carry gun. If I was in your situation I'm sure I would feel differently.


NV is completely bad ass by the way. I got buddies who are all set up with it, but it's too expensive for me to justify. And the cheap stuff ( Let's say anything under a couple grand) is pretty crappy.
 
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