If Mark Cameron was in jail ...

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All I know is he made a CCV , quite some time ago...(had clue transformers in it) it didn't sound good...brought it back for him to tweak...Last I ever saw it ...(never got it back obviously) that was like 10 years ago ...know it's not an uncommon story with that dude.
 
I'm not condoning or suggesting violence in any way at all and given the age of the people around these parts I can see why but im honestly kind of shocked that nobody had broken Mark Cameron's legs.
 
OldGtrGuy said:
I'm not condoning or suggesting violence in any way at all and given the age of the people around these parts I can see why but im honestly kind of shocked that nobody had broken Mark Cameron's legs.
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Consequences maybe? I bet he would snitch like a bitch 😂
 
OldGtrGuy said:
I'm not condoning or suggesting violence in any way at all and given the age of the people around these parts I can see why but im honestly kind of shocked that nobody had broken Mark Cameron's legs.
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It may have been good for him instead of getting chance after chance, I know plenty of people who lare thankful for the slapping they got cause it lead to them getting straitened out
 
Out of many it only takes one disgruntled, ripped off, unhappy customer willing to cross the line and do the time.

CEO of United Healthcare learned that lesson.

For me, life's too short to deal with gear shysters where I have a high probability of getting ripped off.

Not worth the risk.

Plenty of other options; I haven't heard anything that makes me want to take a risk on a new Cameron, Larry, etc. or pay a premium to buy used. Then again, I like stock Marshalls; I have non-Marshalls for variety.
 
rsm said:
CEO of United Healthcare learned that lesson.
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I not sure Brian Thompson believed he was doing anything wrong. The protocols were written and he was just doing what the job demanded of him. I cannot imagine waking up and thinking; how much money can I make by fucking other people. That’s just a weird mindset. On the other hand, the shysters of the world are actually scheming how to rip people off. 2 bit hustlers, gamblers, porch pirates etc; Always looking for another dime with “plans and ideas”. Don’t get me wrong I’m not for or against the insurance company. I just know how they think and act; justify and prove why you want money for the treatment and they say ok. It’s quite cut and dry. If the insurance company says no; chances are the boxes were not checked correctly or there is no indication for treatment. It’s very bureaucratic. So in my practice, I make sure I know the rules then follow them and people get taken care of.
 
alund said:
I not sure Brian Thompson believed he was doing anything wrong. The protocols were written and he was just doing what the job demanded of him. I cannot imagine waking up and thinking; how much money can I make by fucking other people. That’s just a weird mindset. On the other hand, the shysters of the world are actually scheming how to rip people off. 2 bit hustlers, gamblers, porch pirates etc; Always looking for another dime with “plans and ideas”. Don’t get me wrong I’m not for or against the insurance company. I just know how they think and act; justify and prove why you want money for the treatment and they say ok. It’s quite cut and dry. If the insurance company says no; chances are the boxes were not checked correctly or there is no indication for treatment. It’s very bureaucratic. So in my practice, I make sure I know the rules then follow them and people get taken care of.
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Adolf Eichmann was just managing logistics for transporting cargo in cattle cars to the east too. :D

Having worked in IT for a few health insurance companies early in my career, I am sure they have data, history and statistics; if they wanted, the can use that information to show correlation between denied procedures; success rates of procedures; impact of procedures on survival durations; avg survival post-procedures; additional, related, alternative procedures; date/cause of death, etc.

CEO sets the goals and objectives; those goals and objectives are distributed across, down and throughout the organization; senior decision makers determine the strategies that will be used to meet those goals and objectives, and management layers down to the lowest level are either told the tactical requirements that will be used to achieve those goals or allow some levels of middle management to make those interpretations, or push them down the line...I've seen both where decisions are made 3-4 levels up, and pushed down to the lower levels who are glorified messengers; or, the goals, objectives, expectations and constraints are provided to the lowest level manager who determines the tactics that will be used.

Ultimately, the CEO sets the tone and marching orders for the company; few companies allow autonomy at the lowest levels, especially if they're highly regulated like insurance and other financial services.
 
rsm said:
Adolf Eichmann was just transporting cargo in cattle cars too. :D

Having worked in IT for a few health insurance companies early in my career, I am sure they have data, history and statistics; if they wanted, the can use that information to show correlation between denied procedures; success rates of procedures; impact of procedures on survival durations; avg survival post-procedures; additional, related, alternative procedures; date/cause of death, etc.

CEO sets the goals and objectives; those goals and objectives are distributed across, down and throughout the organization; senior decision makers determine the strategies that will be used to meet those goals and objectives, and management layers down to the lowest level are either told the tactical requirements that will be used to achieve those goals or allow some levels of middle management to make those interpretations, or push them down the line...I've seen both where decisions are made 3-4 levels up, and pushed down to the lower levels who are glorified messengers; or, the goals, objectives, expectations and constraints are provided to the lowest level manager who determines the tactics that will be used.

Ultimately, the CEO sets the tone and marching orders for the company; few companies allow autonomy at the lowest levels, especially if they're highly regulated like insurance and other financial services.
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CMS center for medical services (govt agency) sets the rules and guidelines and all insurance companies have to follow. Or they can get in trouble. I agree the natural answer is NO from the insurance provider. That’s why all boxes have to be checked and you have to go by the criteria mandated by the government 🫤. Which are made up by “science” (bad word now) or scientific data to support say “high grade coronary blockage stent, hip replacement etc”. I don’t know that I would go as far as comparing nazi-isms to healthcare. Idk. Maybe I’m in a bubble because I see things from a different viewpoint. I know how to check the boxes to get things done. I know what they are looking for so it’s easy for me. BUT I can see how a lot of folks not in the know would get pissed and frustrated of why it’s not working for them including healthcare providers. This shit isn’t easy. Insurance is harder to deal with than the procedures that I do.
Those souls on the train cars had no get out of jail box to check. That was determined by their heritage. 🙁
 
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