If you were going to purchase a Kemper, AXEFX, or Synergy gear…

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pipboy90 said:
Dude, you've been spouting nonsense the last page and a half of this thread. It's clear to everyone that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. Just give it a rest. I can see why IK Multimedia banned you.
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You will not simply you are clueless about the subject. All you can do is display your hurt feelings as you already did. Please school me with all your wisdom.
 
DemNuts said:
Sometimes there's still something that bugs me now and then with a digital amp/pre-amp.
And that's after spending at least a year each with Fractal, Kemper, and Neural.

Tubes are impractical these days so the next best thing is SS pre-amps.
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Yep I feel this every time I play an Axe or Kemper, even though I've tweaked those things for years now. I don't agree that tubes are impractical though - I guess they just seems relatively less convenient due to the large selection of alternatives. Sure digital makes everything easier, but for me not overall better.

Small rant (not directed at you), but I don't really see the point of blind shootouts, or comments about the drunk audience not knowing any different. Gear is for the player - always has been. Personal preferences are developed over years of experience and have nothing do with anyone else, unless you're easily influenced I guess.

Personally when I play a great tube amp it's inspiring and I have fun - that doesn't seem to happen with modellers, even though I've invested lots of time and money into them. Anyway nothing new here, each to their own.
 
ZEN Amps said:
I don't agree that tubes are impractical though.
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Not that I haven't tried making them work in my 10 x 12 room with two connected neighbors!

This was me 3 or so years ago.
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Fun as all hell but the number of hoops I was jumping through to manage the volume was ridiculous.
Most recently tried an Ironball 20 set at 5 watts and with an attenuator - still had to choke it too much.
Believe me, if I could I would!

Pretty much every small lunchbox has passed through at one time or another.

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Banned by IK Multmedia said:
Each digital layer keeps adding to audio degradation.
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When the MOTU AVB line first came out in 2015 it was put through its paces by end-users in order to gather real-world spec's rather than to simply treat official documentation as gospel.

Turned out you could run signal through the 16A's ins and outs, for example, 16 or more times (I think; it could well have been more) in-a-row before even the slightest degradation could be sensed. We're talking minuscule differences, even after that unrealistic loop-back.

Well-written plugins employ oversampling in order to retain signal integrity and it works.

IMHO the greatest destroyer of signal integrity is the end-user of the gear. DAW mixing with signals too-hot, employing the old-school M.O. of maximising signal strength in order to maximise the ratio to the noise floor, is IMHO the #1 mistake peeps make.

It's a different paradigm now. 24-bit means a ridiculous dynamic range so there's no need to max out your individual tracks, either during recording or mixing. Doing so in fact makes the result (mix) sound small, lifeless and choked in-comparison.

You mentioned compression a couple o' times. I'm guessing you meant data compression whereas the members here assumed you meant amplitude compression. If you were talking about the data version, I reckon you're correct - only FLAC delivers back what you started with. 320k MP3, if encoded by something like L.A.M.E., is plenty-fine for most peeps, including myself. iTunes encoding however produces a somewhat-smeared, lower-fidelity result at 320k due to Apple's decision to appease the masses by shortening the encode time; it's many times quicker than, say, L.A.M.E. and it's super-obvious that it's inferior 'cause the lack of HF content is immediately-obvious.

If you were talking about amplitude compression it's irrelevant 'cause bad compression usage and the rules around good practice apply equally to the analogue and digital domains.
 
I own both. Kemper is easier to transport and for metal, it might be more useful. Synergy isn't perfect, but It's been my go-to system for years and I did the MTS thing before it was synergy. Currently I have a Deliverance and SLO as favourites from Synergy but will sometimes mix things up with my Salvation modules. The next piece of gear I need is a Syn-2. The Kemper is digital and its hard to compare it against Synergy. FWIW, I've profiled my Dirty Shirley and Rockerverb modules :)
 
DemNuts said:
Not that I haven't tried making them work in my 10 x 12 room with two connected neighbors!

This was me 3 or so years ago.
hdxizgsbpqs23lcvfev6.jpg


Fun as all hell but the number of hoops I was jumping through to manage the volume was ridiculous.
Most recently tried an Ironball 20 set at 5 watts and with an attenuator - still had to choke it too much.
Believe me, if I could I would!

Pretty much every small lunchbox has passed through at one time or another.

x5smxaj4lncfwtxx0ibp.jpg
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when I get to take amps out, my 101b is the first to hit the stage!!! what an amp!!!:love::love::love:

what was the verdict on the OTS?
 
ewill52 said:
when I get to take amps out, my 101b is the first to hit the stage!!! what an amp!!!:love::love::love:

what was the verdict on the OTS?
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Ya, mine was the 101B too. Nirvana when I got to go faster than 3mph with it!

OTS was great. Maybe the best clean channel of any amp I've tried recently.
The gain structure had that thing going on, and the entire build and component
quality was impeccable, but it's not a go to tone so it wasn't getting used enough.

Anyone who likes Ford's work with Jing Chi would be in heaven.
 
ewill52 said:
I fully understand why they banned him.
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The funny thing is it wasn’t even IK, he just got banned on TGP and thinks it’s some conspiracy against him from IK/Pete from IK. Pete didn’t even report him, someone else did because he was acting like an asshat. :LOL:
 
RevDrucifer said:
The funny thing is it wasn’t even IK, he just got banned on TGP and thinks it’s some conspiracy against him from IK/Pete from IK. Pete didn’t even report him, someone else did because he was acting like an asshat. :LOL:
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I hate to get off topic but you are just lying one more time, i was not banned at first. I just could not reply to the thread in question, i could still do everything else on the forum but after that i just left. Your friends at IK are just scum and everyone realized it already, even those who like their products. Everyone agreeing about their dishonest practices, the quality of their garbage is something i am not even interested in.
 
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Banned by IK Multmedia said:
I hate to get off topic but you are just lying one more time, i was not banned at first. I just could not reply to the thread in question, i could still do everything else on the forum but after that i just left. Your friends at IK are just scum and everyone realized it already, even those who like their products. People were all agreeing with me about dishonest practices, the quality of their garbage is somethign i am not even interested in.
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Gotta laugh at the dichotomy of someone with the name “Banned by IK Multimedia” calling me a liar and following it up with “I was not banned”.

:ROFLMAO:

I’m not ’friends’ with anyone from IK, I just saw the stupidity happen in that thread.
 
RevDrucifer said:
Gotta laugh at the dichotomy of someone with the name “Banned by IK Multimedia” calling me a liar and following it up with “I was not banned”.

:ROFLMAO:

I’m not ’friends’ with anyone from IK, I just saw the stupidity happen in that thread.
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You need glasses to read.

SKU said:
Bro TGP totally sucks and our friend here revmasturbicer is sometimes sucky too but you gotta see that your argumentation style could be read as being trollish.
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Trolling is what RevDrucifer/Ik Multimedia does. Stalking people on random threads to provoke.
 
SKU said:
Yes

I partly agree. Rev indeed seems to be as much of a Fractal fanboy as you are an IK hater. And he comes off as a troll. True. But IK ? It didn’t seem to me that way. Just my opinion. I also consider Tonex the best sounding/feeling device today at any price. Ymmv
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Fuckin’ waaaaah, son.

Edit- how’s this, at least it’s a real Crybaby wah and not a Fractal wah. Better?
 
@Banned by IK Multmedia did you read my post to you?

Wondering what you made of it.
 
Monkey Man said:
When the MOTU AVB line first came out in 2015 it was put through its paces by end-users in order to gather real-world spec's rather than to simply treat official documentation as gospel.

Turned out you could run signal through the 16A's ins and outs, for example, 16 or more times (I think; it could well have been more) in-a-row before even the slightest degradation could be sensed. We're talking minuscule differences, even after that unrealistic loop-back.

Well-written plugins employ oversampling in order to retain signal integrity and it works.

IMHO the greatest destroyer of signal integrity is the end-user of the gear. DAW mixing with signals too-hot, employing the old-school M.O. of maximising signal strength in order to maximise the ratio to the noise floor, is IMHO the #1 mistake peeps make.

It's a different paradigm now. 24-bit means a ridiculous dynamic range so there's no need to max out your individual tracks, either during recording or mixing. Doing so in fact makes the result (mix) sound small, lifeless and choked in-comparison.

You mentioned compression a couple o' times. I'm guessing you meant data compression whereas the members here assumed you meant amplitude compression. If you were talking about the data version, I reckon you're correct - only FLAC delivers back what you started with. 320k MP3, if encoded by something like L.A.M.E., is plenty-fine for most peeps, including myself. iTunes encoding however produces a somewhat-smeared, lower-fidelity result at 320k due to Apple's decision to appease the masses by shortening the encode time; it's many times quicker than, say, L.A.M.E. and it's super-obvious that it's inferior 'cause the lack of HF content is immediately-obvious.

If you were talking about amplitude compression it's irrelevant 'cause bad compression usage and the rules around good practice apply equally to the analogue and digital domains.
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The digital audio chain degrades for many reasons and this subject is huge. However to keep it simple, i propose to stay to the simple sine wave and floating-point numbers:

See this:
https://www.imeko.org/publications/tc4-2010/IMEKO-TC4-2010-122.pdfAnd this:
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html
That is not exactly a digital audio issue, that is a digital computing issue with no solution. The quality of the plug-ins will not matter.

Regarding the compressor, i meant dynamic range compression devices. I mentioned it because blind tests are pointless when the results and its effects on listeners are known like this https://www.soundguys.com/the-loudness-war-51513/
 
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