James Hetfield and Diezel future?

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If ever there was a signature tone, JH has one. No way he can do it with a single head. Kirk's tone is a piece of cake to replicate.

I am glad that Peter never followed the path of other gear makers and offered up signature gear. This is what sets Diezel apart from others in the mainstream.
 
MARK2C":225pn88g said:
Most likely, he will come out with a signature model and get paid a royalty for
each amp sold. He will have the amp out front in his rack and have photo ops, but he will
keep his VH4's running in a rack behind his endorsement.

No one ever paid Het to but or play a Diezel.

This :thumbsup:

bananaladonpcp":225pn88g said:
Joeytpg":225pn88g said:
I don't know man, Hetfield so far hasn't been the "show for money" type of artist.

Just to put this into perspective.... You do realize you're talking about Metallica right? He's not a great player. He's an average player that plays average stuff.

Oh, I AM THE TABLE!

-Alex

That was the best thing I've read in a while. Thanks for the LMFAOROTFF Alex... That was aces :lol: :LOL:

Rezamatix":225pn88g said:
Lasse Lammert":225pn88g said:
Has anyone ever played a Fortin head?
The people who have won't even consider it being less quality or inferior to Diezel.
The VH4 is an AWESOME amp, but not the holy grail, there are other companies and uilders out there that build different but equally good amps, there's absolutely no reason to assume that the new Kirk/James head won't sound as good or better than the Diezel, so there's aslo no reason to assume that James/kirk won't be using them for their main tone.

AFAIK Kirk's amp is based on the Fortin Meathead....and in no way is that amp inferior to a Diezel, neither in sound nor in build quality


EDIT: sorry, didn't realise how much of a necro bump this was.
Your wrong. VH4 is the holy grail.

Truth.

steve_k":225pn88g said:
If ever there was a signature tone, JH has one. No way he can do it with a single head. Kirk's tone is a piece of cake to replicate.

I am glad that Peter never followed the path of other gear makers and offered up signature gear. This is what sets Diezel apart from others in the mainstream.

Truth again. Let the musos figure out what they want to play. Fact is, there's nothing out there that sounds like a Diezel, and for this, Diezel will always always always have its dedicated followers - whether famous or not. Ultimately, if it's a tone that's been used for years in one's craft, it's not going to be easily duped into the chassis of another amp - no dice. I am glad that Diezel is Diezel, and not "famous guitar player guy here" brand. It's Diezel - Peter's creation - for the guitarist world to enjoy, should they be so inclined.

That's classy.

Uncle Mo
 
PS: Not hatin' here either, they've done a killer job of becoming the worlds most recognized and accessible metal band evar... But ya, Hetfield doesn't play anything your average Joe couldn't play. it just so happens he plays his average Joe riffs in front of millions for millions :dunno:
 
Whether his riffs are that technically difficult to play, Hetfield is definitely an above average rock song writer (musically, not talking about lyrics). That skill, I think, is much more difficult and rare than playin fancy. See also: Jones, Adam.
 
I always like to think there are three dimensions to the whole music thing... one is playing skills, the other is music theory understanding and application - and the third one is what I see as "being an artist" and this third side can certainly greatly make up for a lack in the former two. All the chops and theory don't mean that much if you do not end up at that magical point where you are clearly communicating and expressing something and it all SOMEHOW magically comes together.
There have been moving and expressive and influential songs written on nothing but two or three (or none) chords but SOMETHING made it all come together and transcend the simple theory and chops at hand, by far.

Adam Jones IS a great example for that.

I am kinda torn on the obscenity Metallica has become but I am with uncle mo, the continuing success alone is nothing to sneeze at regardless of what you think of them individually. At the end of the day, EVERYTHING you are being fed IS a product one way or another. (I know, tool said it) Everything. There are no "saints" in this business, if there ever were. The most "humble" and "honest" multi-platinum guy was just as much made to look like that, more or less depending on each case, but he was managed and produced none the less. Some bands get squeezed too hard into the product corner or were nothing more to begin with, few bands manage to balance "selling" with pure creativity and creating a unique voice and something actually new. Opeth and Tool are great examples for that reason. They manage to deliver and stay unique and do all that over decades. That is pretty frakking special and unique, again regardless whether you like their music or not. That's personal taste. I am talking actual merits.

And there are a couple of metric fucktons of bands you never even got to hear despite the fact they might have been ten times better and "fresher" than what is out there. There are a lot of steps before you even get your songs heard and every minion-with-an-opinion along the way can put you on the shelf for whatever reason.

More often than not, it can be better and healthier to just enjoy the art and focus on what it is doing FOR YOU and what you can get out of it and not look at the artist too much... frakk if I ever have to listen to Hanneman speak again but hailsatan can he write songs! Don't get me started on MJK because that might take way too long and I am saying this as someone who has been looking at this fella from all sorts of angles for a long time.

Hetfield obviously manages to pull it off, he has a good voice and everyone in LaLa-Land knows that's where the money is. On top of that, he can write powerful average-joe songs and deliver riffs that go along with it. And he found people willing to pay for it. Good for him. He got something there.

Kirk, well Kirk wanted to fill his now blue-liquid flying-v with his urine and I think this kinda sums it up somehow. However, there is an important lesson even Kirk can show you. The average audience sees and hears you playing many notes fast, they love it, almost regardless of how unfitting and shitty it might be; for whatever reason "fast" works pretty damn well and you can either choose to use that knowledge or if you choose to play less notes, you better work hard to make each note count since you don't have the (cheesy, cheap but sadly functional) double-hand-tapping bonus going for you.

Also, some of the best players out there, you probably never even heard of them and all they do is give lessons and barely manage to scrape by all their life, maybe for no other reason than being shy and introvert and hating to "sell" themselves or just for being in the wrong place. People like to think very "meritocratic", if you got insane chops you will make the big bucks and things are going to happen for you. Not true, might be sad and disillusioning to realize that but it's just not true, in almost no industry. Most of the time you need a certain package to get places, one outstanding skill alone often isn't enough and you can get stuck along the way for a ton of reasons.

You got to look at things and differentiate more. Just to hate moo-tallica's obscene butts is too simple, too naive.


But let's forget about meh-tallica and let's flip that TABLE up there because still no new Tool album and they robbed me on some artsy-fartsy limited edition CD!!! :P ;)

And man do I rabble way too much!
 
Uh.. Think I'm gunna make all that my sig if'n ya don't mind, kahawe
 
kahawe":28df760h said:
I always like to think there are three dimensions to the whole music thing...
That was an incredibly worthy post.

Thanks for taking the time to articulate your thoughts - awesome perspective. :yes: :rock:

Uncle Mo
 
PS:
kahawe":nltvgrap said:
Adam Jones IS a great example for that.
Adam understands that the space in between the notes is equally if not even more important than the notes themselves. That's patience. That's also a gift.
 
xXDaveyJonesXx":94macw6a said:
Uh.. Think I'm gunna make all that my sig if'n ya don't mind, kahawe
Sure man, but there is going to be a lot of people dead because wall of text hit them! :lol: :LOL:

Ventura":94macw6a said:
Adam understands that the space in between the notes is equally if not even more important than the notes themselves. That's patience. That's also a gift.
YES that is it! Takes me a whole flippin' page and you nail it in one sentence! :) He just fits in perfectly and adds something, ALL four of them do and it wouldn't work the same without any one of them or with other players.
 
I actually think Hetfield is a great guitar player with a crushing right hand and the ability to write amazing riffs and songs...

...and I'm not even a big Metallica fan.
 
I'm gonna have to disagree with a few posts here. Hetfield is known by EVERYONE to be a incredible rhythm player. No one has the right hand down picking technique like Hetfield. Jerry Cantrell and Dimebag were quick to acknowledge that when asked about Metallica. I'm not a huge Metallica fan either.

The people who haven't played the Meathead shouldn't really be commenting on a product they haven't spent time with. Before buying the VH4 and Hagen, I had the Meathead for a couple weeks to try out before James Leader hooked up a Diezel A/B. the Meathead is a phenomenal piece of gear and rivals the VH4 easily for tone and quality. Why did I not buy one then? Well the tone I got from using the VH4/Hagen together gave me a sound that exceeded the sound I was hearing in my head. The VH4 on its own didn't give me the tone and neither did the Hagen. Hadn't I tried both amps together I would have most definitely bought the Meathead as it gave me the tone I was hearing in my head. Just didn't exceed it like the Diezels!
 
Filipe Ferreira":21tx2bvx said:
I actually think Hetfield is a great guitar player with a crushing right hand and the ability to write amazing riffs and songs...

...and I'm not even a big Metallica fan.


+1 :)
 
psbhachu":3flyp6x5 said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with a few posts here. Hetfield is known by EVERYONE to be a incredible rhythm player. No one has the right hand down picking technique like Hetfield. Jerry Cantrell and Dimebag were quick to acknowledge that when asked about Metallica. I'm not a huge Metallica fan either.

The people who haven't played the Meathead shouldn't really be commenting on a product they haven't spent time with. Before buying the VH4 and Hagen, I had the Meathead for a couple weeks to try out before James Leader hooked up a Diezel A/B. the Meathead is a phenomenal piece of gear and rivals the VH4 easily for tone and quality. Why did I not buy one then? Well the tone I got from using the VH4/Hagen together gave me a sound that exceeded the sound I was hearing in my head. The VH4 on its own didn't give me the tone and neither did the Hagen. Hadn't I tried both amps together I would have most definitely bought the Meathead as it gave me the tone I was hearing in my head. Just didn't exceed it like the Diezels!
Disposable Heroes, anyone? I haven't liked Metallica on cd since the Black album, but denying the rhythm skills that the man clearly has is assinine.
 
Last time I checked Hetfield's net worth was close to $180 million. He must be doing something pretty good to be that successful playing music for a living.
 
cavitation":3lhrolsa said:
psbhachu":3lhrolsa said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with a few posts here. Hetfield is known by EVERYONE to be a incredible rhythm player. No one has the right hand down picking technique like Hetfield. Jerry Cantrell and Dimebag were quick to acknowledge that when asked about Metallica. I'm not a huge Metallica fan either.

The people who haven't played the Meathead shouldn't really be commenting on a product they haven't spent time with. Before buying the VH4 and Hagen, I had the Meathead for a couple weeks to try out before James Leader hooked up a Diezel A/B. the Meathead is a phenomenal piece of gear and rivals the VH4 easily for tone and quality. Why did I not buy one then? Well the tone I got from using the VH4/Hagen together gave me a sound that exceeded the sound I was hearing in my head. The VH4 on its own didn't give me the tone and neither did the Hagen. Hadn't I tried both amps together I would have most definitely bought the Meathead as it gave me the tone I was hearing in my head. Just didn't exceed it like the Diezels!
Disposable Heroes, anyone? I haven't liked Metallica on cd since the Black album, but denying the rhythm skills that the man clearly has is assinine.
Hundreds of guys in the thrash scene, past and present, that are just as good.
He is and always will be one of my heroes tho. :rock:
 
In the liner notes to AJFA James was the only guy to purposely not have any endorsements listed. I always admired that.
 
Het is one of the greats in a living legend band that still packs the house.

Metallica basing is funny. I hear guys say bad things, but then. If they had a chance to open for them it would be a golden even platinum opportunity.

They bring out good bands. They got Gojira tons of exposure. And the sound they have is killer.

Broken Beat and Scarred is a slamming riff with killer tone. And Metallica concerts are not just a sausage fest.

Gear the Het chooses to use I think gets a huge street Cred bump. Diezel is killer tone and I think it has a grind like no other.

Didn't Weezer use a VH4? That riff on Hash Pipe? Changed the logo of Diezel looking text to read Weezer?

I like Diezel and Metallica. The best of times to both of them. Keep metal alive!
 
I get back from Bali on the 10th and will be flying to Abu Dhabi on the 19th to see Metallica again. Some things never change - Hetfield and the rest of Metallica are one of them. You can always count on the boys for a kick ass show.
 
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