Kramer Pacer - Vintage Tiger Any good?

[Anonymous]

Pacers are made in Indonesia.

My sources say you are incorrect and that your picture is misleading. The Pacer Classic is made in Indonesia, uses a licensed FR and shit pickups. The Pacer Vintage is made in Korea, uses a Korean OFR and Seymour Duncan pickups and is double the price at least. This is discussed over and over at the Kramer Forum. I believe your picture is the back of a Classic headstock...

Steve

 

[supersonic]

Pacers are made in Indonesia.

My sources say you are incorrect and that your picture is misleading. The Pacer Classic is made in Indonesia, uses a licensed FR and shit pickups. The Pacer Vintage is made in Korea, uses a Korean OFR and Seymour Duncan pickups and is double the price at least. This is discussed over and over at the Kramer Forum. I believe your picture is the back of a Classic headstock...

Steve

Settle down guys, Korea is in Indonesia!

 

[Chris6870]

I don't know who is making them, but check this out at The Music Zoo:


SteveSteve

My sources say you are incorrect and that your picture is misleading. The Pacer Classic is made in Indonesia, uses a licensed FR and shit pickups. The Pacer Vintage is made in Korea, uses a Korean OFR and Seymour Duncan pickups and is double the price at least. This is discussed over and over at the Kramer Forum. I believe your picture is the back of a Classic headstock...

Steve

Sounds like you did some research in the past few hours. Your summation sounds good to me and I stand corrected.

 

[Chris6870]

Settle down guys, Korea is in Indonesia!

Not quite.

 

[the rossness]

A few notes...

1) I had the Pacer Vintage bengal for about a month. It sounds ok, but the JB doesn't ring out well with the maple body. Somehow, the maple muffles the sound. I didn't try it with a Lynch TB-12, but that is a PU made for an all-maple guitar. The neck PU sounded pretty good.

2) the frets were very small and I felt too much wood.

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

4) The floyd rose seemed very tight and needs a spring upgrade.

5) While it looks nearly identical, The Pacer Vintage is not what satchel plays. He uses a USA- built Kramer Pacer Imperial. I believe Kramer (MusicYo) subcontracted Hill guitars to build these. They have an alder body as well.

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know who is making them, but check this out at The Music Zoo:


SteveSteve

My sources say you are incorrect and that your picture is misleading. The Pacer Classic is made in Indonesia, uses a licensed FR and shit pickups. The Pacer Vintage is made in Korea, uses a Korean OFR and Seymour Duncan pickups and is double the price at least. This is discussed over and over at the Kramer Forum. I believe your picture is the back of a Classic headstock...

Steve

Sounds like you did some research in the past few hours. Your summation sounds good to me and I stand corrected.

I actually did a bit on the Kramer Forum because you got me thinking about it and I'm kinda interested in the Vintage Tiger. If you go to The Music Zoo website and look at the Kramer section, there are back pictures of the Vintage and Classic - you can see that the Classic has a sticker like the one you posted, but the Vintage has several stickers that are completely different.

Steve

 

[supersonic]

Settle down guys, Korea is in Indonesia!

Not quite.

I stand corrected, both in Asia. Carry on.

 

[Anonymous]

1) I had the Pacer Vintage bengal for about a month. It sounds ok, but the JB doesn't ring out well with the maple body. Somehow, the maple muffles the sound. I didn't try it with a Lynch TB-12, but that is a PU made for an all-maple guitar. The neck PU sounded pretty good.

Wow - I have found that maple guitars are the brightest things on the planet. Surprised a solid maple body would muffle a JB... I can say that the Duncan Custom Shop '78 sounded great in my '82 Kramer that had a maple body.

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

5) While it looks nearly identical, The Pacer Vintage is not what satchel plays. He uses a USA- built Kramer Pacer Imperial. I believe Kramer (MusicYo) subcontracted Hill guitars to build these. They have an alder body as well.

Yeah, for sure his is a recent USA made guitar...

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

 

[Blackie08]

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

This is what i really want to know. Would I be better off just trying to find another San Dimas or So-Cal promod?

 

[Anonymous]

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

This is what i really want to know. Would I be better off just trying to find another San Dimas or So-Cal promod?

That is what I want to know as well!

Steve

 

[mooncobra]

i have a killer custom shop charvel bullseye in the classifieds for super cheap, you could repaint it yourself and save cash.

That guitar of yours is killer and the price is amazing, but he would not be saving any money because the Kramer is $759.

Steve

those are only 759? that dude in steel panther makes them sound pretty good, wonder if they build him a better quality guitar than the stock model. does gibson still make them here?

I don't know who is making them, but check this out at The Music Zoo:

$699.99:

$759.99:

I'll tell ya - I'm seriously tempted! I did really like my 82 Kramer Pacer...

Steve

i LOVE maple bodies!!

 

[mooncobra]

A few notes...

1) I had the Pacer Vintage bengal for about a month. It sounds ok, but the JB doesn't ring out well with the maple body. Somehow, the maple muffles the sound. I didn't try it with a Lynch TB-12, but that is a PU made for an all-maple guitar. The neck PU sounded pretty good.

2) the frets were very small and I felt too much wood.

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

4) The floyd rose seemed very tight and needs a spring upgrade.

5) While it looks nearly identical, The Pacer Vintage is not what satchel plays. He uses a USA- built Kramer Pacer Imperial. I believe Kramer (MusicYo) subcontracted Hill guitars to build these. They have an alder body as well.

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

gary kramer is making some great super strats now.

 

[mooncobra]

1) I had the Pacer Vintage bengal for about a month. It sounds ok, but the JB doesn't ring out well with the maple body. Somehow, the maple muffles the sound. I didn't try it with a Lynch TB-12, but that is a PU made for an all-maple guitar. The neck PU sounded pretty good.

Wow - I have found that maple guitars are the brightest things on the planet. Surprised a solid maple body would muffle a JB... I can say that the Duncan Custom Shop '78 sounded great in my '82 Kramer that had a maple body.

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

5) While it looks nearly identical, The Pacer Vintage is not what satchel plays. He uses a USA- built Kramer Pacer Imperial. I believe Kramer (MusicYo) subcontracted Hill guitars to build these. They have an alder body as well.

Yeah, for sure his is a recent USA made guitar...

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

the duncan super v kicks ass in maple and alder bodies, but especially maple! if you have not tried the sup v, order one from duncan custom shop, my allk time fave humbucker for super strats, really fat sounding, amazing touch sensitivity, and super punchy and tight, i will take it over the many pups i have tried!!

 

[mooncobra]

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

This is what i really want to know. Would I be better off just trying to find another San Dimas or So-Cal promod?

my custom shop is in the classifieds for cheap, the bullseye, for only a few hundred more than the san dimas or so cal.

 

[the rossness]

1) I had the Pacer Vintage bengal for about a month. It sounds ok, but the JB doesn't ring out well with the maple body. Somehow, the maple muffles the sound. I didn't try it with a Lynch TB-12, but that is a PU made for an all-maple guitar. The neck PU sounded pretty good.

Wow - I have found that maple guitars are the brightest things on the planet. Surprised a solid maple body would muffle a JB... I can say that the Duncan Custom Shop '78 sounded great in my '82 Kramer that had a maple body.

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

5) While it looks nearly identical, The Pacer Vintage is not what satchel plays. He uses a USA- built Kramer Pacer Imperial. I believe Kramer (MusicYo) subcontracted Hill guitars to build these. They have an alder body as well.

Yeah, for sure his is a recent USA made guitar...

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

I've had 10 of the Charvel pro mods. 7 were USA's and 3 were MIJ. I already felt that the USA guitars were excellent quality and the one that were Japanese made, were even better. The Kramer is a good quality guitar, but in terms of overall feel, I like the Charvel's much more.

as far as other cheaper super strats, Gary Kramer's are in the same ballpark as the Pacer's. I used to have the Gary Kramer Delta Wing and it was very cool. Buddy blaze has a line of imports that are cool, but their necks are too skinny for me. And there's always Ibanez...

this was my Kramer-

 

[Anonymous]

3) The quality is good for a Korean guitar, but not as good as a well built Japanese or USA guitar.

How much better are the Japanese Charvel Pro Mods vs. the Vintage Bengal?

If Kramer appeals to you, check out Gary Kramer guitars as well as UNK. Both companies have great guitars! The Kramer Pacers look really cool, but in my experience, there are better axes out there.

Agreed, but, damn Gary's guitars are mucho dinero. What do you thing is better in the $699-$759 price range?

Thanks,

Steve

This is what i really want to know. Would I be better off just trying to find another San Dimas or So-Cal promod?

my custom shop is in the classifieds for cheap, the bullseye, for only a few hundred more than the san dimas or so cal.

Totally agree. I would buy your Custom Shop for $1249 over just about anything. If I didn't already have a bunch of Charvel Custom Shops I already would have!

Steve

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

http://www.garykramerguitar.com/niello.html

These aren't too shabby though I liked his older run/colours better. Wish he did one with H-S or H-H though. Would be hard to match that finish in another pick guard.

 

[Chris6870]

http://www.garykramerguitar.com/niello.html

These aren't too shabby though I liked his older run/colours better. Wish he did one with H-S or H-H though. Would be hard to match that finish in another pick guard.

The Russian Roulette was pretty badass IMO.

http://www.garykramerguitar.com/roulette.html

 

[Blix]

I love the look of those Barettas, but I don't like maple bodies, and it really annoys me that the screwed up the humbucker placement. Placed way too far from the bridge.

 

[moltisanti]

that maple bodied G&L Rampage of Jerry Cantrell's sounds pretty badass, and with a JB in it (until recently)