Kapo_Polenton
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To be fair, Deraps could put a JB in a 200$ guitar and through his Germino or Superlead is still gonna slay. The value on those 84's on the used market is reasonable though. Kramer is value for your $ in that regard.
To be fair, Deraps could put a JB in a 200$ guitar and through his Germino or Superlead is still gonna slay. The value on those 84's on the used market is reasonable though. Kramer is value for your $ in that regard.
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AKMlarry
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I miss my 1982 Kramer Pacer imperial. It was the best playing guitar I ever owned
japetus
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Mark Agnesi isn't the CEO of Gibson lol
The~Kid
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Shit what is he the Product Manager or "Director of Product Experience". What ever it is he ain't doing half bad......
Makes sense now lol but yeah I figured he was the CEO
The~Kid
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Yeah the new ones are pretty dope, played a maple fretboard one. I have to say that maple body and that JB/JN combo is killer here especially that JN and that maple body makes a big difference too.
Very ddynamic and very fast necks too with a good amount of meat to them but thin where it counts.
The~Kid
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True, he could probably play through a Yamaha Pacifica 112 and a Roland Cube and sound as good tbh but it kind of just gave me assurance that if a player like that is loving these things having all this other gear and options it's pretty killer. Tommy from the Music Zoo also broke it down pretty good and Jamie from Six String Alliance also explained a lot of the history there with 84 model. Not really after an EVH tone or anything but I just think it's a killer guitar with some good tone for a great price here. The push/pull is a big bonus too.
Had a 50$ gift card from Zzzounds too and couldn't apply an additional discount as it was already heavily discounted. All in all......
550$ and 32% discount from the original price of 800$ ....... so I mean don't really need another guitar but given the tones you hear, overall quality of the current production top end Pacers I played a year or two ago and how impressed I was with those and the opportunity cost...... nvm the newer ones while offering a nice bolt through FR nut, stingray painted back and front matching headstock, and Kramer USA pups gopher 900$...... after taxes this came out to like 6 bucks and some change....... not bad
Got it for less than a new or used one in most cases too and aside from the opportunity cost the things look and sound killer too. Nvm what they gopher overseas or if your in Japan...... the one I got is new with manufacturers warranty too ^_^
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Fiesta Red
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Based on any of these videos I would not buy this Kramer.
Sounds like ass-on-a-stick
Minus the stick
The~Kid
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Sound pretty great to me, Jamie and Tommy sound killer too. If its anything like the current prodcution Pacers I'll call it a win. Can't please everyone but yeah they don't seem too bad especially for the price
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Geo
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Plenty of originals around.Sound pretty great to me, Jamie and Tommy sound killer too. If its anything like the current prodcution Pacers I'll call it a win. Can't please everyone but yeah they don't seem too bad especially for the price
The~Kid
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For the price they are going for, nvm wear and tear with age and ageing and nvm quality control now and quality now relative to MIA/MIJ of the 80s or 90s and manufacturing in general...... I'm not taking a chance with a "vintage" or whatever tbh and stuff like this just makes a lot more sense to me and in general......
Imports now in general are much better than a lot of stuff relative to times and eras compared to the 80s or 90s and I'd be as happy or actually happier with an import now from Indonesia or China given quality than an MIJ/MIA from the 80s or 90s. That's just facts given how high and tight tolerances are given todays modern manufacturing techniques. This doesn't just apply to Kramer but damn well every other manufacturer from Gibson to Fender or Charvel or whoever else for the most part.
The new ones for 900$ come with the nut bolted through and matching back and front headstock as well as Kramer Eruption USA pups those look great and come in Satin finishes I think. Figured I'd get one of these older ones while the getting is good at the price especially given quality and all else mentioned.
Plus I bought this new, with manufacturers warranty for less than many sell these for used or at new price.......
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Geo
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I get the attractiveness of a new shiny one but other than a warped neck, anything can be repaired and the tree the guitar was made of is older than a year.
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Geo
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The~Kid
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Yeah I get but its not just that its just that as a baseline quality in general now from Chinese or Indonesian imports are just that much better than a lot of the things made back in the 80s or 90s. Relative to quality/times compared to one another I really feel these new ones aren't half bad tbh especially playing more than a couple older Charvel/Jackson/Fernandez MIJ guitars from those decades and getting a feel for those type of guitars and imports then vs Indonesian or Chinese imports now. As good as those guitars were and are QC now is just on another level with Indonesian/Chinese builds.
I have to admit that Pacer looks cool as hell and seeing the vintage ones kind of makes me feel better about the new ones and the quality now vs back then too and I don't like overly glossy necks too and typical of the era so that's another plus for me of now and then. But I mean it does look sick as hell...... and I'm not saying there isn't any mojo there or todays stuff is exactly like the stuff back then but today's stuff isn't bad and as good or better in some respects given quality. It's hard to explain but I don't want to play something "rare" as good as it may be because it's just that much harder to get if I ever want to replace it or need another.
Also Music Zoo tends to do limited runs of Custom Shop guitars or MIA and MIJ guitars that cost a lot more and on models that are considered top shelf..... usually costing 2000$-2500$+ or like way way more......
So for Music Zoo to do a Limited Run Diver Down and for Tommy to pretty much endorse The 84 Kramer current production, say it's Music Zoo Limited Run and to put their name on it and a Kramer guitar...... I mean wish I had the 1000$ for the Diver Down and I expect Music Zoo to sell those without a problem and for me this one for 550$ new isnt bad short of the Music Zoo Diver Down and given my budget I only really shop when it comes to a stupid deal but yeah stuffs got to be quality too.
The Kramer 84 Diver Down and the association with Music Zoo IMO really says a lot and elevates the pedigree and they don't do limited runs of just whatever....... it's friggin Music Zoo.
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JackBootedThug
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I bought that 84 just for nostalgia. It was fine but not for retail. It is funny because back in the 80’s I was only playing Les Paul’s and Strats. Not sure why I got it honestly. And speaking about old gibsons…I actually played a 59 flame top and have owned quite a few r9’s, 8’s, 7’s… as well as a Murphy… that 59 felt completely different than all the reissues. I have spoken with a bro on here who has played a couple 59’s himself and he agreed with me. The Gibson reissue game is a fuckin joke. Buy them if you want but you’re not getting a 59 imo… you’re getting a pricier guitar that has a R on the serial number.
The~Kid
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I kind of bought it just based on the Pacer I played with Maple body/neck and JB/JN. Just based off that and that Music Zoo connection and the vids for the price. Didn't pay full price and I probably wouldn't but for the price and opportunity cost figured why the hell not. 550$ ain't bad all said in done for it, brand new after I applied the 50$ gift certificate.
It's not exactly like the Pacer neck but seeing the profiles pretty similar and I never wanted to admit it but yeah there is something about a dive down only FR and I don't want to say it's better vs recessed but it's got it's own unique character and tone and another reason I got it too based on the Pacer I played and the neck and overall quality. The Pacer I played was an Indo too and pretty friggin dope from memory.
JackBootedThug
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I think I would have kept mine if I would’ve swapped pups out and had my ace boon coon sdmf38 do his setup on it….
The~Kid
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The~Kid
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Might think about the Sailor Moon Waifu theme...... it's going to set me back close to 100$ to get all the stickers...... think it's pretty cool and my brother thinks it's a cool idea too......
Was thinking of doing a general Anime Waifu theme Narutos Sakura, Chung Li and Morgan from Street Fighter, Misty and Jesee from Pokémon, Bulma, Chi-Chi and Android 17 from Dragon Ball Z etc etc but figured it would be all over the place and a single theme like Sailor Moon makes more sense.
I'll just keep it as is and not do anything fancy for now but may do it down the road. If I do get it going will just start with a Sailor Moon sticker and work my way up to Sailor Mercury, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mars ^_^
Was thinking of doing a general Anime Waifu theme Narutos Sakura, Chung Li and Morgan from Street Fighter, Misty and Jesee from Pokémon, Bulma, Chi-Chi and Android 17 from Dragon Ball Z etc etc but figured it would be all over the place and a single theme like Sailor Moon makes more sense.
I'll just keep it as is and not do anything fancy for now but may do it down the road. If I do get it going will just start with a Sailor Moon sticker and work my way up to Sailor Mercury, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mars ^_^
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Geo
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I agree the build quality has gotten much better but the parts are still shitty. Crappy bridges and electronics and such.
The few guitars I have bought recently feel and sound pretty nice, especially for the dollar.