Larry PMM … so far

[RedB4Black]

I will say this, and take it for what you will. I have owned and played a lot of amps, many high end, rare, etc, etc…. Camerons, Larrys, Joses, the list goes on. My conclusion is this - there is no magic unicorn dust in any of them. Sure, some are better than others, but they are all in the same top tier arena. None are miles above the others or mind-blowingly better. I’ve had friends play some of these super hyped amps and scratch their heads wondering why there’s so much internet lore regarding them. You can only do so much with a circuit. There’s just no voodoo involved that’s going to create this amp that so is far ahead of all the rest.

Hype is 100% a thing. Driven by rarity, prices, eccentric and/or scamming amp builders that somehow attract people like flies, with outstretched hands clenching wads of US currency (this one I’ll never understand).

Unobtainium. Makes an amp almost mythical.

I have no interest in anything I can't readily buy with minimal wait and I'm not paying a premium for .rar

Nothing ever lives up to the hype that gets built up.

 

[Bxlxaxkxe]

Camerons are usually diode clipping amps and are more compressed and greasier.

Larry has less stuffiness and more clarity than the Wizards. Maybe not as much punch, though.

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I’m not targeting anyone specific with the following. This is just a general statement. And I am in no way knocking this PMM as I know it sounds great, as have other Larrys I’ve played.

I will say this, and take it for what you will. I have owned and played a lot of amps, many high end, rare, etc, etc…. Camerons, Larrys, Joses, the list goes on. My conclusion is this - there is no magic unicorn dust in any of them. Sure, some are better than others, but they are all in the same top tier arena. None are miles above the others or mind-blowingly better. I’ve had friends play some of these super hyped amps and scratch their heads wondering why there’s so much internet lore regarding them. You can only do so much with a circuit. There’s just no voodoo involved that’s going to create this amp that so is far ahead of all the rest.

Hype is 100% a thing. Driven by rarity, prices, eccentric and/or scamming amp builders that somehow attract people like flies, with outstretched hands clenching wads of US currency (this one I’ll never understand).

I think many of us are guilty of paying an exorbitant amount of money for a rare and hyped amp and then hyping it ourselves, whether consciously or not, to justify the cost and effort in obtaining it. The bottom line is, if these amps with extraordinary demand, usually created by the person creating them in the first place, were as easily attainable as the average amp, they’d be considered more average in the end.

My proof of the above is that I’ve had multiple people play these super hyped amps and then immediately A/B with an easily attainable, good sounding amp and they picked the non-hyped amp almost every time. Which could be psychological, as you’re expecting something other-worldly from these hype amps and when that doesn’t happen and it just sounds like another really good amp, your expectations are not met.

Rare and hard to get sells. I doubt it’s specific to guitar amps, but they are certainly not exempt.

Alright listen here buddy…you better chill out with all that talk. There are people here whose entire personality is built upon their collection of rare woods and electronic components.

Rare = tone and we all know it. Otherwise, just nuke this forum

 

[Jimty]

Alright listen here buddy…you better chill out with all that talk. There are people here whose entire personality is built upon their collection of rare woods and electronic components.

Rare = tone and we all know it. Otherwise, just nuke this forum

Exactly - I can quietly ignore the fact that I make any combination of my amps and guitars sound pretty similar, but let’s not say these things out loud or (worse still) write it down on a public forum….

 

[Smash]

That’s great man. I 100% believe that it sounds really good. Obviously I haven’t played a PMM as they’re probably the rarest of the Larry line up.

I played a 939 recently and the Hot Rod British channel was super articulate and aggressive.

Your clip playing the Larry was hard to ignore. Very good demo. I played a MOAB you made for cesar..that thing was special.

 

[thegame]

I still need to find a Larry's amplifiers clip which sounds good to my taste...

Serious question, in what way does Redplated’s Larry clip not sound good? Ok, maybe you’re not going for that type of tone but what specifically do you find unappealing about it? What amps or clip examples in that general tonal ballpark are better to you?

 

[Simon Dorn]

Serious question, in what way does Redplated’s Larry clip not sound good? Ok, maybe you’re not going for that type of tone but what specifically do you find unappealing about it? What amps or clip examples in that general tonal ballpark are better to you?

Sounds a bit brittle and thin.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Alright listen here buddy…you better chill out with all that talk. There are people here whose entire personality is built upon their collection of rare woods and electronic components.

Rare = tone and we all know it. Otherwise, just nuke this forum

Unless you are joking...i think he's 100% right.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Exactly - I can quietly ignore the fact that I make any combination of my amps and guitars sound pretty similar, but let’s not say these things out loud or (worse still) write it down on a public forum….

Shout it out loud.

 

[thegame]

Sounds a bit brittle and thin.

I agrée somewhat. Celestion H30s are not the best match for this amp. It sounds it’s best with darker/chunkier speakers.

 

[RedPlated]

Your clip playing the Larry was hard to ignore. Very good demo. I played a MOAB you made for cesar..that thing was special.

Yup that 2204 is special. It used to belong to LPmojo. It was among one of the first MOABs ever. Cesar sent it back for an update to make it more aggressive when he bought it from Bobby.

I used to have good clips of it but I can’t find them unfortunately.

 

[BeZo]

I'm just glad you like it.

 

[VonBonfire]

There are people here whose entire personality is built upon their collection of rare woods and electronic components.

You sound like you are talking about my brother from another mother @SmuggNorris Dude pops latches on those PRS private reserve cases like an addict pops roxies at an all night party.

 

[Metlupass2]

Yup that 2204 is special. It used to belong to LPmojo. It was among one of the first MOABs ever. Cesar sent it back for an update to make it more aggressive when he bought it from Bobby.

I used to have good clips of it but I can’t find them unfortunately.

Stop posting and work on some amps......

 

[skoora]

Tech, If you want to make this forum pop, post up a 5 minute vid of a Parker Fly doing Piezo into the clean channel. Then at the very end switch over to the dirty channel so some noise kicks in..cut to black.

 

[VonBonfire]

I think he should send it to Glenn Fricker for a proper review.

 

[Jimty]

He should demonstrate the amp’s tone and how the controls work by making the noises with his mouth - kind of how Euge does at times, but omitting any actual playing

 

[VonBonfire]

He should do a review with even more talking than that Eytsch dork.

 

[SmuggNorris]

You sound like you are talking about my brother from another mother @SmuggNorris Dude pops latches on those PRS private reserve cases like an addict pops roxies at an all night party.

Alright listen here buddy…you better chill out with all that talk. There are people here whose entire personality is built upon their collection of rare woods and electronic components.

Rare = tone and we all know it. Otherwise, just nuke this forum

I feel so called out here @Bxlxaxkxe! lol

@VonBonfire, I can always count on you to describe my hobbies so eloquently. You silver tongued fox, you.

 

[Dino 939]

Camerons are usually diode clipping amps and are more compressed and greasier.

Larry has less stuffiness and more clarity than the Wizards. Maybe not as much punch, though.

———

I’m not targeting anyone specific with the following. This is just a general statement. And I am in no way knocking this PMM as I know it sounds great, as have other Larrys I’ve played.

I will say this, and take it for what you will. I have owned and played a lot of amps, many high end, rare, etc, etc…. Camerons, Larrys, Joses, the list goes on. My conclusion is this - there is no magic unicorn dust in any of them. Sure, some are better than others, but they are all in the same top tier arena. None are miles above the others or mind-blowingly better. I’ve had friends play some of these super hyped amps and scratch their heads wondering why there’s so much internet lore regarding them. You can only do so much with a circuit. There’s just no voodoo involved that’s going to create this amp that so is far ahead of all the rest.

Hype is 100% a thing. Driven by rarity, prices, eccentric and/or scamming amp builders that somehow attract people like flies, with outstretched hands clenching wads of US currency (this one I’ll never understand).

I think many of us are guilty of paying an exorbitant amount of money for a rare and hyped amp and then hyping it ourselves, whether consciously or not, to justify the cost and effort in obtaining it. The bottom line is, if these amps with extraordinary demand, usually created by the person creating them in the first place, were as easily attainable as the average amp, they’d be considered more average in the end.

My proof of the above is that I’ve had multiple people play these super hyped amps and then immediately A/B with an easily attainable, good sounding amp and they picked the non-hyped amp almost every time. Which could be psychological, as you’re expecting something other-worldly from these hype amps and when that doesn’t happen and it just sounds like another really good amp, your expectations are not met.

Rare and hard to get sells. I doubt it’s specific to guitar amps, but they are certainly not exempt.

Couldn’t agree more.
I’ve had the usual herd of insanely killer amps
In a full band set up and could play as loud as we wanted.
The absolute nut crunching moment is when local players go to the Marshall and boost everytime.
Sure, there’s pro-players that geek out like we do, but if the dude’s aren’t on here and a local dude,
-they stick with the Reggie’s.
The Reg’s..
They’re more concerned with their playing.
It’s really hard to admit this because we blow herds of cash on this stuff and likey sound the same to other listeners.
Hype…can you hype yourself?
Prolly not too long without having to prove yourself, LTFOL!!

So if any of you have a MC made CCV, they’re
hyped beyond biblicals-sell me yours!!
Once you step into this world and get hooked..
-you’re a lifer.
I totally get your comment Redplate from firsthand embarrassment, LOL!
Still love gear though!!

PSI lt just cascaded over.. what amp did dudes identify outta the slew of champions??
For the most part, Diezels,
Yep, for the distortion and the clean channels high headroom in a mix (Herbert)
-also Mesa’s & JVM’s..
You talk all the poop you want on here about the Herbert, no problems midrange ripping heads clear off or monster mutes of mega destruction
(SIX KT77’s)
And the CCV Channel 1 dimed AC/DC .
That’s a great fucking sound.
Orange Rockerverb was also a amp dudes would go back to after playing the usual crunch champions of the boutique amp world.
I know man.. I was not hyped at that moment!
(Pun intended fellas).

 

[mooncobra]

Camerons are usually diode clipping amps and are more compressed and greasier.

Larry has less stuffiness and more clarity than the Wizards. Maybe not as much punch, though.

———

I’m not targeting anyone specific with the following. This is just a general statement. And I am in no way knocking this PMM as I know it sounds great, as have other Larrys I’ve played.

I will say this, and take it for what you will. I have owned and played a lot of amps, many high end, rare, etc, etc…. Camerons, Larrys, Joses, the list goes on. My conclusion is this - there is no magic unicorn dust in any of them. Sure, some are better than others, but they are all in the same top tier arena. None are miles above the others or mind-blowingly better. I’ve had friends play some of these super hyped amps and scratch their heads wondering why there’s so much internet lore regarding them. You can only do so much with a circuit. There’s just no voodoo involved that’s going to create this amp that so is far ahead of all the rest.

Hype is 100% a thing. Driven by rarity, prices, eccentric and/or scamming amp builders that somehow attract people like flies, with outstretched hands clenching wads of US currency (this one I’ll never understand).

I think many of us are guilty of paying an exorbitant amount of money for a rare and hyped amp and then hyping it ourselves, whether consciously or not, to justify the cost and effort in obtaining it. The bottom line is, if these amps with extraordinary demand, usually created by the person creating them in the first place, were as easily attainable as the average amp, they’d be considered more average in the end.

My proof of the above is that I’ve had multiple people play these super hyped amps and then immediately A/B with an easily attainable, good sounding amp and they picked the non-hyped amp almost every time. Which could be psychological, as you’re expecting something other-worldly from these hype amps and when that doesn’t happen and it just sounds like another really good amp, your expectations are not met.

Rare and hard to get sells. I doubt it’s specific to guitar amps, but they are certainly not exempt.

This is true. Well said. Hype has cost many men, a lot of money. It comes down to personal preference. What might be epic for you, could be a heaping pile of shit for someone else. Contributors to hype are pros playing said amps, availability is a big part of it, madmen on forums praising the heavens about this amp or that amp, clips you hear on line, forum posts, certain forum members who hold more, “street cred,” than others, etc. plus, some guys idea of an epic amp are totally different than others based on feel, touch sensitivity, tightness, sag, definition, blend, bottom and, etc. But, without doubt, the hype is strongest for rare air, amps that are rare that are played or praised by pros, usually with a builder prone to severe bouts of mental illness, mood swings, violent outbursts, isolation, HUGE wait times, theft, egregious attacks on buyers, and either arguments openly occurring on forums with name calling taking place as well as insinuating said builder is up to no good such as major drug addiction, depression, sexual dysfunction , depraved sexual acts, jail time, or anything that could lead to their early demise halting all amps, ending the life of said builder sending amp value to the stratosphere. Look at the price of dumbles post dumble. Whoa. Dumbles are now more magical than ever, players who have played or owned them can’t praise them enough and even adopt the, “Mr dumble,” moniker. Some even speak of their special relationship to said builder and want others to know they knew him. Sadly, hype is most often used by builders to generate more cash for their pockets. I’m