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What is OtC view in UFO/UAP?

As for me....I have had three seperate incidents were I saw UFOs....all were witnessed by other people in my group.

So I fully believe this stuff is happening.

In my case I do not think it was anyone's military, or advanced craft....due to locations of sightings and what took place.

Not sure wtf they are.
 
I was throwing the football for my son on a summer early evening, and we both seen one. My Dad seen one in ‘92 on his way to work. Old school, hardcore Pa was rattled
 
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I don't not believe, but I grew up in the 70's. Think "In Search Of"
Big Foot, UFO's, Ghosts, bla bla bla

There will never ever ever ever be 100% solid proof of UFO's

I won't even go there with the big foot thing.
 
billsbigego said:
I don't not believe, but I grew up in the 70's. Think "In Search Of"
Big Foot, UFO's, Ghosts, bla bla bla

There will never ever ever ever be 100% solid proof of UFO's

I won't even go there with the big foot thing.
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Bigfoot is a bit hard to believe in, agree 100%.

But, who knows...maybe one day we will have solid evidence of what all these ufo/uap are???
 
67mike said:
Bigfoot is a bit hard to believe in, agree 100%.
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It's a spirit being.

67mike said:
As for me....I have had three seperate incidents were I saw UFOs....all were witnessed by other people in my group.
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I have witnessed approximately a few thousand in the past year starting last june but the operation seems to have scaled back in the last month or so after having peaked out 3 weeks before Trump was sworn in. There were some fear inducing moments among them.Truthfully I'm not sure what to make of the crafts themselves. I don't believe in aliens, only angels and demons, and it could've been gov black projects. Part of me thinks it could be holograms. Prediator-like cloaking was a big part of the visuals.
 
I've seen some stuff I can't explain, mostly at night so I can't say with any certainty that what I saw wasn't "explainable". But, both my Mom (broad daylight, and close to the ground) and one if my Uncles have claimed to have seen UFO's. I'm inclined to believe them, as neither one was prone to flights of fancy, if you know what I mean.
 
A more recent theory is that UFO/UAP and "being" sightings could actually be future earth dwellers that have learned to time travel.
 
VonBonfire said:
It's a spirit being.


I have witnessed approximately a few thousand in the past year starting last june but the operation seems to have scaled back in the last month or so after having peaked out 3 weeks before Trump was sworn in. There were some fear inducing moments among them.Truthfully I'm not sure what to make of the crafts themselves. I don't believe in aliens, only angels and demons, and it could've been gov black projects. Part of me thinks it could be holograms. Prediator-like cloaking was a big part of the visuals.
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Interesting, I assume you are talking about the new jersey ufos? I thought Trump was going to let everyone know what those were???
 
67mike said:
Interesting, I assume you are talking about the new jersey ufos? I thought Trump was going to let everyone know what those were???
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No I'm talking about what went on outside my loft windows about 1/2 mile-3 miles away over the last year. I'm down in TX.
 
Escaping gravity might be the only way to deal with physical space travel over long distances (think letting something come to you instead of going to it). Given we are traveling through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour; if you could remain stationary without the effects of gravity it would take about 3 days to travel to the Sun from Earth if you left the planet when it's aligned with the sun and the center of the universe at it's farthest point to where we are expanding. Light speed through the physical 3d universe is just not happening, imo. Think of colliding with a spec of dust at that speed, even if you could get to that speed. Megatons of equivalent energy minimal on impact. Not to mention that something physical traveling at that speed would have a mass that would change orbits of galaxies. Likely even ripping them apart.

Guessing they're from here or have found a way to escape this dimension. Time travel is a possibility, but even then you aren't just traveling through time, but the earth is 1.3 million miles from where it was an hour ago, so you're still traveling through space. Nanotechnology is a thought I've had where a near light speed signal might be capable of manipulating particles into complex physical forms from light years away, possibly even intelligent self aware consciousness. Lots of strangeness and thought experiments.

What's interesting is if you're familiar with the double-slit experiment that if you take that to a larger scale, say millions of light years in length than when you observe it you are changing the past millions of years ago. If you move that to more complex variants of the experiment/idea, perhaps it's possible to manufacture things in the present observation from lesser resources of the past. In a sense, perpetual energy. Which would be needed for probably any form of vast interstellar or interdimensional travel.

It all goes back to the idea of whatever they are; I personally don't feel that they are traveling long distances through space to get here even if they are from long distances away.
 
Manmade beyond top secret technology. Sightings/reports in the 1940's and 1950's were basically about little more than 'flying discs'. Almost always boring old silver saucers. As our technology (and imaginations, fueled by Hollywood's bombardment of special effects heavy sci fi movies) progressed, the "aliens" tech seemed to progress in lockstep with new reports of 'morphing craft changing shape, etc".

As a kid in the early 80's I read a ton of UFO books published in the 60's/70's. NONE of them had reports/stories of anything like we've been accustomed to since the early 90's dawn of the internet age.
 
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Escaping gravity might be the only way to deal with physical space travel over long distances (think letting something come to you instead of going to it). Given we are traveling through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour; if you could remain stationary without the effects of gravity it would take about 3 days to travel to the Sun from Earth if you left the planet when it's aligned with the sun and the center of the universe at it's farthest point to where we are expanding. Light speed through the physical 3d universe is just not happening, imo. Think of colliding with a spec of dust at that speed, even if you could get to that speed. Megatons of equivalent energy minimal on impact. Not to mention that something physical traveling at that speed would have a mass that would change orbits of galaxies. Likely even ripping them apart.

Guessing they're from here or have found a way to escape this dimension. Time travel is a possibility, but even then you aren't just traveling through time, but the earth is 1.3 million miles from where it was an hour ago, so you're still traveling through space. Nanotechnology is a thought I've had where a near light speed signal might be capable of manipulating particles into complex physical forms from light years away, possibly even intelligent self aware consciousness. Lots of strangeness and thought experiments.

What's interesting is if you're familiar with the double-slit experiment that if you take that to a larger scale, say millions of light years in length than when you observe it you are changing the past millions of years ago. If you move that to more complex variants of the experiment/idea, perhaps it's possible to manufacture things in the present observation from lesser resources of the past. In a sense, perpetual energy. Which would be needed for probably any form of vast interstellar or interdimensional travel.

It all goes back to the idea of whatever they are; I personally don't feel that they are traveling long distances through space to get here even if they are from long distances away.
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Light speed isn't possible given conventional physics but close to light speed may be and the closer the better especially given the dilation of time.


Forgot how far exactly but hypothetically one could travel say 100,000,000 light years near light speed but it would only seem like 3 months or something due to time dilation. Not really concrete on the numbers exactly but it's just an example.


Problem with that is 100,000,000 years would pass by and everyone back on Earth you knew would be dead by then and then you have to account for the expansion of the universe and space time too..... and well the other problem would be the stupid amounts of energy needed nvm making something to do it and whatever that would mean and the just as impossible mechanics and physics/quantum physics or whatever else not even known yet or developed yet behind that.


In either case this gravity thing is pretty interesting too and a different perspective to FTL or possible sub-light space travel. Regarding FTL maybe it's possible outside of peoples current conventional understanding of the universe and physics and there are still a lot of things that are a mystery in the universe.
 
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Regarding FTL or sub light speed which is more plausible than FTL IMO given conventional physics but who knows what the effects would be on biology and the mind too.

I wouldn't be surprised if it just wasn't possible for biological life forms to travel at sub light or FTL at all or without some other way to work around possible problems that may come from such speed and mode of travel.


@NowYou'rePlayingWithPower also never really looked at the double slit experiment being applied on a cosmic level like that but if you did apply it, it kind of gives a bit more insight on multiverse too. There is a lot to support multiverse IMO especially given the uniformity of the universe, expansion and overall structure and topography as well as other factors.


Double slit applied on a bigger cosmic level sounds pretty crazy but it kind of opens the door to possibly help better explain and understand Multiverse Theory. Like maybe it's not even Multiple Universes even though it seems like it and it's the same universe but just split up into different probabilities and possibilities.........
 
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