Lets talk about something we can all agree on......

[67mike]

Not every sighting can be explained, considering the graphic explanations, but many could be (now) known sources that occurred in the 50s & 60s. How long have drones been around as military experiments, before anyone knew there was such a thing?
What is the govt/military working on now that we know nothing about?
The biggest question: if there has been an alien presence here that has been occurring for decades (or longer), what are they waiting for? But in relation to that: an alien presence may be unlike anything we can imagine...they won't introduce themselves and shake hands.

Take Skinwalker ranch.......when Bigalow was working with the USMilitary to discover what was happening there for 20 years...they saw what could be described as 'cloaking technology' and possible portal/ wormhole. The new team experimenting there have also seen this and they just may have recorded the first images of a portal.

The ancient first nations tribe in that area, obviously discovered these strange events because they recorded it in hyrogliphs and carving.

 

[thegame]

Come up to my neck of the woods......when you see this shit going down in the frigging middle of dense Canadian Wilderness.....45 miles into the bush from the closest paved road......it isn't easily explainable as mundane kids with drones or Chinese lanterns, or whatever else you want to pass it off as.

I’m absolutely not doubting your experiences. I’m just against labeling it as otherworldly instead of unknown or unidentified. I’d be shocked if the US military wasn’t using Canadian airspace to test stuff out. BTW how far north are you? Northern Ontario?

 

[67mike]

I’m absolutely not doubting your experiences. I’m just against labeling it as otherworldly instead of unknown or unidentified. I’d be shocked if the US military wasn’t using Canadian airspace to test stuff out. BTW how far north are you? Northern Ontario?

Highly doubt it is military. Do you think the US has built an underwater base for its experimental UFOs in an area that you could not haul in any building supplies? I honestly am giving my wholehearted opinion....these things are not ours. ( by ours I mean humans).

 

[thegame]

Highly doubt it is military. Do you think the US has built an underwater base for its experimental UFOs in an area that you could not haul in any building supplies? I honestly am giving my wholehearted opinion....these things are not ours. ( by ours I mean humans).

Was there anything beyond multicoloured orbs in the sky that constituted the rock solid belief that the phenomenon wasn’t of earthly origin? Sure it sounds weird and fantastical but I believe the military is testing stuff that’s now 40-50 years beyond what’s currently disclosed. Stuff the general public can’t even fathom. They’re not going to announce major breakthroughs in physics to the scientific community, if it can be militarized. The early 90’s disclosure of the Stealth Bomber definitely accounted for many of the 70s/80’s triangle shaped “ufos”. Due to the exponential rate of technology development acceleration, what was once 10-20 years of undisclosed technology advancement, is now 40-50. Meaning, the public will find out about what they’re testing now, 4-5 decades in the future.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Do you mean have a spaceship on a nanoscale to go through space easier and then that nanospaceship can land and act like DNA to grow a copy of yourself on a different planet?

Was thinking more along the lines of using a signal (wave, particle, ???) to manipulate/excite matter elsewhere into forming into a complex physical... entity. Whether it's a replication of an organic being, including a copy of it's consciousness or other (ship, computer, etc.. for example). While the usual thought of nanotech (greygoo level stuff) is thought more to build using elements, I would guess that's not viable, so perhaps something that would actually be capable of manipulating atoms into becoming whatever element is desired and those elements into complex forms capable of some sort of intelligence/tool/etc...

 

[VonBonfire]

Supposedly it's a liquid mercury engine that somehow develops it's own gravity and can perform almost instantaneous jumps to hyper speed. There were many black triangles which are able to cloak day or night and do amazing aerial feats like that. I suspected possibly exaggerated numbers some nights because a couple times I spotted what I called the black mother ship and thought holographic imagery might be involved because they were too numerous to count. They are def spraying the sky with stuff down here so the possibility had entered my mind but I cannot tell you with certainty whether the crafts themselves are from the spirit realm or from the military realm.

I would awake at night cause of a flash of light in my closed eyes and would look out the window and see the crafts a couple miles out. I don't know if it was just their engines lighting up or if they were beaming me cause many nights they would be playing what amounted to flying games in the clouds in the distance but when the weather was right I could see those engines fire up and silhouette the craft up there. I think it may just be our most advanced equipment. shrugs

 

[67mike]

Was there anything beyond multicoloured orbs in the sky that constituted the rock solid belief that the phenomenon wasn’t of earthly origin? Sure it sounds weird and fantastical but I believe the military is testing stuff that’s now 40-50 years beyond what’s currently disclosed. Stuff the general public can’t even fathom. They’re not going to announce major breakthroughs in physics to the scientific community, if it can be militarized. The early 90’s disclosure of the Stealth Bomber definitely accounted for many of the 70s/80’s triangle shaped “ufos”. Due to the exponential rate of technology development acceleration, what was once 10-20 years of undisclosed technology advancement, is now 40-50. Meaning, the public will find out about what they’re testing now, 4-5 decades in the future.

Here is the incident I am referring to:

We ( myself and my wife and my good friend and his wife) are in my boat in the middle of a small fishing lake that was our favorite place to go way back when we were younger and when we had a 4x4 trucks with campers.

To get to this lake we would drive about an hour up the highway from our city and then turn off onto a dirt road cut into the bush used strictly by logging trucks hauling logs out of cutting areas in the dense Canadian Boreal Forest. We would travel aprox 60 kilometers (36 miles) down this barely passable ( lifted 4x4 trucks with large aggressive tires required) into the deep wilderness to this lake we camped and fished at. There were a few other small lakes in the area nearby.

Edit: I should point out that this bush road was created and maintained by the logging companies themselves. This event occurred after these logging operations has ceased in that area, so there were no active logging operations ongoing at the time or since. You can only get in there now by helicopter or possibly on 4 wheelers.


Anyway we were fishing, it was starting to get dusky iirc it was between 8 and 9pm....I was at the back of the boat. I happened to look up in the sky and I noticed a pair of glowing orange orbs that were near each other..i thought it was odd enough that i alerted the others in the boat and they all looked to the sky where i pointed and saw these glowing orbs......at first I thought perhaps it was a couple of choppers flying close to each other, but as time passed we see these orbs getting closer to us and getting larger.....they stayed in formation in relation to each other.....emitted ZERO noise....and it is dead quiet out on the lake as we are the only people for miles and miles. Anyway, these orbs continue slowly moving closer and getting larger.....they then seemed to stop dead in their tracks and just hovered in formation and in position....zero noise...not a plane, not a helicopter, did not have drones back then This would have been around 1992). We are all watching these things in disbelief....no fucking clue what they could be.....then all of a sudden they both shoot towards the ground at aprox 44 degree angle to ground just like a bullet out if a gun......blazingly fast like nothing I have ever seen any aircraft do.....no noise, no explosion, no fireball, nothing.......The most logical thing in my mind is they entered one of the other small lakes nearby?????
I have been around a lot of aircraft. I have had a jet lose its engine a few hundred feet over my head and witnessed first hand what happens when they crash.....these were not any known aircraft.

I asked my Wife a while ago if she still remembers that event....and yes she does.

 

[67mike]

Supposedly it's a liquid mercury engine that somehow develops it's own gravity and can perform almost instantaneous jumps to hyper speed. There were many black triangles which are able to cloak day or night and do amazing aerial feats like that. I suspected possibly exaggerated numbers some nights because a couple times I spotted what I called the black mother ship and thought holographic imagery might be involved because they were too numerous to count. They are def spraying the sky with stuff down here so the possibility had entered my mind but I cannot tell you with certainty whether the crafts themselves are from the spirit realm or from the military realm.

I would awake at night cause of a flash of light in my closed eyes and would look out the window and see the crafts a couple miles out. I don't know if it was just their engines lighting up or if they were beaming me cause many nights they would be playing what amounted to flying games in the clouds in the distance but when the weather was right I could see those engines fire up and silhouette the craft up there. I think it may just be our most advanced equipment. shrugs

Well Bob Lazar describes a gravity drive system on the ufo he supposedly worked on reverse engineering......trouble is who knows if he is telling the truth and was smeared because of it, or is a loon?

The fact that he made a jet engine powered bike as a teenager.....makes me think he is a pretty smart guy.

 

[VonBonfire]

Well Bob Lazar describes a gravity drive system on the ufo he supposedly worked on reverse engineering......trouble is who knows if he is telling the truth and was smeared because of it, or is a loon?

The fact that he name a jet engine powered bike as a teenager.....makes me think he is a pretty smart guy.

The black triangle craft have been a phenomenon since the 70's. The Bob Lazar motor sounds similar to what I was mentioning about the red liquid mercury engines. It somehow allows those gravity defying feats you witnessed without the pilot turning into jello. I one night witnessed an uncloaked triangle at much closer range than usual hover, slowly start spinning, then faster then a blue field formed around it (almost like northern lights) then just....gone like a mach 25 boomerang. As it spun faster it was like a car rim going at speed where it starts to look like it's spinning backwards. And yes, always completely silent. Those are the craft I have witnessed en masse except there are multiple different versions maybe 3-4-5 variations.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Here is the incident I am referring to:

We ( myself and my wife and my good friend and his wife) are in my boat in the middle of a small fishing lake that was our favorite place to go way back when we were younger and when we had a 4x4 trucks with campers.

To get to this lake we would drive about an hour up the highway from our city and then turn off onto a dirt road cut into the bush used strictly by logging trucks hauling logs out of cutting areas in the dense Canadian Boreal Forest. We would travel aprox 60 kilometers (36 miles) down this barely passable ( lifted 4x4 trucks with large aggressive tires required) into the deep wilderness to this lake we camped and fished at. There were a few other small lakes in the area nearby.


Anyway we were fishing, it was starting to get dusky iirc it was between 8 and 9pm....I was at the back of the boat. I happened to look up in the sky and I noticed a pair of glowing orange orbs that were near each other..i thought it was odd enough that i alerted the others in the boat and they all looked to the sky where i pointed and saw these glowing orbs......at first I thought perhaps it was a couple of choppers flying close to each other, but as time passed we see these orbs getting closer to us and getting larger.....they stayed in formation in relation to each other.....emitted ZERO noise....and it is dead quiet out on the lake as we are the only people for miles and miles. Anyway, these orbs continue slowly moving closer and getting larger.....they then seemed to stop dead in their tracks and just hovered in formation and in position....zero noise...not a plane, not a helicopter, did not have drones back then This would have been around 1992). We are all watching these things in disbelief....no fucking clue what they could be.....then all of a sudden they both shoot towards the ground at aprox 44 degree angle to ground just like a bullet out if a gun......blazingly fast like nothing I have ever seen any aircraft do.....no noise, no explosion, no fireball, nothing.......The most logical thing in my mind is they entered one of the other small lakes nearby?????
I have been around a lot of aircraft. I have had a jet lose its engine a few hundred feet over my head and witnessed first hand what happens when they crash.....these were not any known aircraft.

I asked my Wife a while ago if she still remembers that event....and yes she does.

Do you think the lights were part of it's propulsion? Would seem weird that they would have lights at all unless they're rapidly blinking to communicate maybe? I witnessed the Phoenix lights when I was young and would describe the same thing about what you're saying (sans the shooting towards the ground). Eerily just hovering there in sync with one another for like a half hour or longer. Turned out they were flares. Or at least that's the official explanation.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

The black triangle craft have been a phenomenon since the 70's. The Bob Lazar motor sounds similar to what I was mentioning about the red liquid mercury engines. It somehow allows those gravity defying feats you witnessed without the pilot turning into jello. I one night witnessed an uncloaked triangle at much closer range than usual hover, slowly start spinning, then faster then a blue field formed around it (almost like northern lights) then just....gone like a mach 25 boomerang. As it spun faster it was like a car rim going at speed where it starts to look like it's spinning backwards. And yes, always completely silent. Those are the craft I have witnessed en masse except there are multiple different versions maybe 3-4-5 variations.

Take a picture for us.

 

[VonBonfire]

Take a picture for us.

I'd need specialty equipment and skills so it's not realistic.

 

[67mike]

Do you think the lights were part of it's propulsion? Would seem weird that they would have lights at all unless they're rapidly blinking to communicate maybe? I witnessed the Phoenix lights when I was young and would describe the same thing about what you're saying (sans the shooting towards the ground). Eerily just hovering there in sync with one another for like a half hour or longer. Turned out they were flares. Or at least that's the official explanation.

Lights never blinked it was a glow emitted by these two orbs.

 

[67mike]

I'd need specialty equipment and skills so it's not realistic.

I have tried to capture a uap at night....not easy task. My daughter took video on her iPhone.....small red orbs floated over our back yard when we were out having a bonfire one evening a few years ago....I should try to find that footage....only have to look through her pile of iPhone to find it.....lol

 

[VonBonfire]

I have tried to capture a uap at night....not easy task. My daughter took video on her iPhone.....small red orbs floated over our back yard when we were out having a bonfire one evening a few years ago....I should try to find that footage....only have to look through her pile of iPhone to find it.....lol

I did try to get some shots but they amounted to nothing. The lights I were seeing were mostly dim, or, per the crafts orientation, weren't visible or would go in and out. So you'd see faint lights moving around the sky in random not plane-not helicopter, ways. The hyperspeed jumps lit the clouds up like lightning sometimes but I'd need a good zoom lens plus know how to set exposures or whatever to capture them. I am one of the worst people at taking photos to begin with plus prime viewing hours were 2-5 a.m so it means a late night. I've wanted to hog hunt but I didn't have the gumption to stay up that late for them either, lol

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

I'd need specialty equipment and skills so it's not realistic.

A basic cell phone camera should be capable of high framerates and low resolution or low framerates and high resolution.
It would be easy to pick it apart with software.

 

[thegame]

I witnessed the Phoenix lights when I was young

Post a clip

 

[67mike]

A basic cell phone camera should be capable of high framerates and low resolution or low framerates and high resolution.
It would be easy to pick it apart with software.

It really isn't as easy as it seems.

Zooming in on a moving bright object in the darkness fucks the cellphone camera in the wrong hole ( pardon my french).

Photography(old skool available light stuff) is a course I enrolled in and promptly dropped at our community college....thought it would be a piece if cake, but, no not at all....gave up as I could not force myself to learn the fucking 2 bazillion things that affect your photo. Still have thousands of dollars in telephoto, wide angle, etc.. slr film gear that gas collected dust for 30 plus years....lol

 

[67mike]

Do you think the lights were part of it's propulsion? Would seem weird that they would have lights at all unless they're rapidly blinking to communicate maybe? I witnessed the Phoenix lights when I was young and would describe the same thing about what you're saying (sans the shooting towards the ground). Eerily just hovering there in sync with one another for like a half hour or longer. Turned out they were flares. Or at least that's the official explanation.

There is an ample amount of footage of the Phoenix lights plus...I believe the governor came out later and said he was forced into dismissing them as flares. No one who I have seen talk about witnessing them has described them or thought they could be flares.....and I have watched several hours of interviews and reporting on them.

Out of curiosity....Do you think they were flares?

Sorry maybe the former Governor didn't say he was forced to tell the flare story. I think he had someone in an alien costume at his first press conference after the event to downplay it..here is an interview with him avwhile after the event:

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

It really isn't as easy as it seems.

Zooming in on a moving bright object in the darkness fucks the cellphone camera in the wrong hole ( pardon my french).

Photography(old skool available light stuff) is a course I enrolled in and promptly dropped at our community college....thought it would be a piece if cake, but, no not at all....gave up as I could not force myself to learn the fucking 2 bazillion things that affect your photo. Still have thousands of dollars in telephoto, wide angle, etc.. slr film gear that gas collected dust for 30 plus years....lol

No zooming or light is necessary for digital information. Not really trying to get a clear picture, but a lot can be picked out with software. Like if there's anything there at all. Even miles away.

There is an ample amount of footage of the Phoenix lights plus...I believe the governor came out later and said he was forced into dismissing them as flares. No one who I have seen talk about witnessing them has described them or thought they could be flares.....and I have watched several hours of interviews and reporting on them.

Out of curiosity....Do you think they were flares?

Definitely would not have thought they were flares at the time, but I was also like 11 or 12, iirc. It came off pretty spectacularly.