Looking for a new 212 cabinet!!!!

[aeroic]

Good points Eric! I guess I like BOTH types of speakers....tight and responsive and mushy, LOL. I say that because I have liked GBs I'v played.

Guys when you say E80, is that the CL80? So, you guys find em really beamy in the mids!??!

Any comments from you guys on Eminence speakers oer the Eminence Super V? They are like $119 new.

So you're willing to spend $119 on a Super V?? You can get a M75 for $159 / speaker right now. Jim has a sale....$40 more for a speaker doesn't seem like that big of a deal to at least me.

The E80 is a CL80 tweaked a bit by Egnater..bit more low end mainly. I don't find either of the CL80 / EL80 mixed w/ a T75 beamy at all. THey mix really well together. The CL80 / K100 I found too beamy after playing them for 3-4 weeks. The mids of hte K100 and CL80 together just really raised the level of beam of the CL80. The CL80 by itself...I don't like as much...but w/ a T75 or V30 I really dig it. It's a good mixing speaker IMHO, but doesn't stand well on it's own for me.

Eric

 

[Resonant Alien]

The CL80 by itself...I don't like as much...but w/ a T75 or V30 I really dig it. It's a good mixing speaker IMHO, but doesn't stand well on it's own for me.

Eric

Maybe that was my issue - I never bothered mixing a single E80 with anything else - I just didn't like the bumped mids it seemed I was getting from my stock TM212, so I immediately took out both E80s and replaced them. Tonight, I'm gonna put one of them back in and see what I get. My original plan was to mix one E80 with a V30 (like in the Renegade combo), but in the end I just ripped them both out.

Oh well, I still have the E80s, so easy enough to play around with them some more..

 

[richedie]

VERY good point Eric. You got me there man! I might just have to get a pair! Did you consider the H75 mixed in?

I am tempted to just order the cab new if they will do the 20% off at MF online. Tax will hurt though. I don't mind buying new if I am going to keep it. However, saving money on a used one is great because it lets me afford better speakers.
I did contact Guitar Center for those used 212 cabs. I saw another in Alabama. I have not heard back. I asked if they could do THAT price and include shipping and tax. I mean you can get em new for not much more.

So guys, if many of the guitar heros we grew up with used standard Celestions, V30s, Greenbacks, etc......why are we so crazy we need only the best! LOL....Egnater.....Scumback......LOL. We are a sick bunch!

 

[richedie]

I guess I really have to think about this. With my Rabndall NXT cab, it is only 2 inches shorter than the TM 212 but it is 2 inches deeper. It has the removable back panel and the direct outs for recording! Don't know what I am going to gain with the TM and do I need more than one cab....hard to say, LOL. Maybe I'll put the money toward the Scumbacks.

 

[Underground]

Not to derail this thread, but if you get a chance, do check out a THD 2x12 cabinet. I liked mine so much, I just bought another. They are small and light, but sound really big. Mine old cabinet had the "THD" stock drivers in it, which I have loved with my Uberschall. I picked up an empty cab and am trying Celestions in it for my Renegade. So far, I'm very happy. By the way, as I was swapping drivers around, I made a couple of those 'foam donuts' talked about in the "beamy cabinet" thread and I really like 'em. Going to fit my other gear with them.

David

 

[Wagster]

I'm going to pick up a Egnater 2x12 this weekend. I need a cab that sounds good for both country and rock gigs. Being able to go from closed back to open back is a huge bonus.

 

[Klark]

Not to derail this thread, but if you get a chance, do check out a THD 2x12 cabinet. I liked mine so much, I just bought another. They are small and light, but sound really big. Mine old cabinet had the "THD" stock drivers in it, which I have loved with my Uberschall. I picked up an empty cab and am trying Celestions in it for my Renegade. So far, I'm very happy. By the way, as I was swapping drivers around, I made a couple of those 'foam donuts' talked about in the "beamy cabinet" thread and I really like 'em. Going to fit my other gear with them.

David

Love the THD 2x12. Perfect size & weight, with a VERY well balanced tone. I just ordered a Carolina Cabs IS212 from Indoor Storm. Same exact thing as the THD, but you can get them without any speakers. I ordered it in all black, but with white piping and Egnater grill cloth. Should be here in a couple weeks..

 

[richedie]

Have any of you tried a Mesa Boogie vertical 212 cab with the closed thiele ported bottom and open back, slant top? A friend started using one and said it really is amazing. You get the best of both worlds more than you do with a cab that allows a partial open back. The Mesa is like having one open back cab with one closed back.

Buckeydog, you got it for $359? I am asking MF about that. I tried those used ones on G Centers site but they said no way! F them!

I can't believe people are bidding a TM212 on ebay up to $300 with $50 shipping.....when you can get it new from MF for basiclly the same price.

 

[richedie]

Funny, I heard guys on the Gear Page say comparing WGS speakers to Scumbacks is like comparing cheap tequilla to the best you can buy. I doubt that is true as WGS seem well made??

You also have to consider the source - TGP. There's some good info there to be had for sure, but you sure do have to wade through a lot of BS and drivel from people who probably have no real world experience to back up the "opinions" they are so vehemently spouting over there. After all, that is the site where the only good Les Paul is a $5k Custom Shop 'burst, but a $3k PRS is a "cork sniffers" guitar - go figure...

I would really like to try some Scumbacks - I'm sure they are "better" than the WGS' (whatever that really means), but I wasn't quite ready to drop that kind of coin on speakers just yet. FWIW, I am really digging my WGS'. I prefer to them to the E80s (not that the E80s are bad or anything, just a different sound), and I actually preferred the WGS Vet 30 to the Celestion Vintage 30. The ET65 is the bomb. Great all-around speaker - helps balance out some of the inherent mid-ness of a v30 style speaker. And at $69 per, what's not to love?

How does the ET-65 compare to the real thing? I looked at some used 80s era Celestion G12-65s which are supposed be great!

 

[RoidRage]

Make sure you listen to the cab with both Elite 80's (which are modded CL 80's), cause the cab sounds absolutely KILLA as is....

I'm really impressed with mine, and I've got a LOT of stuff.... It's mezmerizing with the Renegade 65

If you throw a V30 in it... It's going to have more Snarl and upper midrange Growl... Why not try a HELLATONE 60... They are cheaper, and Broken in.

Best,

Roid RAGE

 

[richedie]

Make sure you listen to the cab with both Elite 80's (which are modded CL 80's), cause the cab sounds absolutely KILLA as is....

I'm really impressed with mine, and I've got a LOT of stuff.... It's mezmerizing with the Renegade 65

If you throw a V30 in it... It's going to have more Snarl and upper midrange Growl... Why not try a HELLATONE 60... They are cheaper, and Broken in.

Best,

Roid RAGE

I just order a new Egnater 212 from Guitar Center for $405 shipped!

I don't like CL-80s but I'll give them a try. They have no lows. I have an old Celestion G12-65 and G12K-85 ready to be installed.

 

[RoidRage]

Make sure you listen to the cab with both Elite 80's (which are modded CL 80's), cause the cab sounds absolutely KILLA as is....

I'm really impressed with mine, and I've got a LOT of stuff.... It's mezmerizing with the Renegade 65

If you throw a V30 in it... It's going to have more Snarl and upper midrange Growl... Why not try a HELLATONE 60... They are cheaper, and Broken in.

Best,

Roid RAGE

I just order a new Egnater 212 from Guitar Center for $405 shipped!

I don't like CL-80s but I'll give them a try. They have no lows. I have an old Celestion G12-65 and G12K-85 ready to be installed.

That's a great price... BUT!

Elite 80's are Modded CL80's And they Have no LOWS???!!!??

Dude... I'm using them with 3 different Heads One a Diezel Herbert, and One A Renegade 65, and it sounds like a Bass is playing with me... They shake the whole HOUSE

Get a different head!

Ohhh and you're not going to need beam blockers... Lead 80's were designed not to have a shrill top end... I think you made the right choice dude...

Roid Rage

 

[Klark]

I just order a new Egnater 212 from Guitar Center for $405 shipped!

I don't like CL-80s but I'll give them a try. They have no lows. I have an old Celestion G12-65 and G12K-85 ready to be installed.

You're not gonna have a problem with lows and the Egnater 212. I sold mine because for me, it was physically way too big, and too tubby sounding. I had to go to my TC eq and pull out a bunch of 80-120hz, but I understand why since it's an 'oversized' 2x12 cab. It does an excellent job at sounding big like a 4x12. However, if you're looking for a tight sound, in a compact & lightweight package, it misses the mark.

I think you'll like it, especially after the CL80's break in. I didn't really like my CL80's either until they were well broken in.

 

[richedie]

Cool! I will try them! I assumed they were just like the CL80s but more transparent. Can't wait! I just bought a used Celestion G1265 to go with a G12K-85 I was going to put in the cab. How do these Elite 80s seem in terms of quality, build quality, etc? Chinese made like other celestions? Are they fairly balanced, not beamy? Thanks!

That is odd because so many of the guys on the forum like Eric and Nick prefer a tight sound and they LOVE the TM 212. I know my Randall 212 NTX cab sounds super tight! Now, my old Ear Candy 212 Buzzbomb, that was tight too.

 

[Klark]

Are they fairly balanced, not beamy?

All 12" guitar speakers have a very similar directivity - Hardly discernible actually. It's the size of the voicecoil and shape/depth of the cone that have the biggest influence.

That is odd because so many of the guys on the forum like Eric and Nick prefer a tight sound and they LOVE the TM 212.

I'm not saying the TM212 doesn't have a tight sound, it's much larger cabinet which means a lower extension. Problem is with the guys that don't need the extension - They commonly equate the extension to the cabinet sounding loose.

 

[richedie]

Klark, I see what you mean on the low end extension. I thought by tubby, you meant loose.

 

[3 Mile Stone]

Yea, the 80's (Elite and Classic Lead ) have excellent low end. Be sure sure to let them break in Richedie, they take a little longer than you might think to start sounding good IMO. Be sure and try the open back option on the cab too. Loosens it up a little with the back off.

 

[richedie]

I don't know Eric, the CL80/K85 sounds damn fine to me! I would think the V30/K85 would have more of the annoying upper mids!

 

[aeroic]

The TM212s have great low end. Klark is right, that these cabs have a lower register that most 2x12s don't. If you run your density high, then you probably will think that these cabs are a bit flubby / loose on the low end. I personally run my BB switches at 1 on most modules...and run the density lower (around 9-10 oclock). That way the low end is very tight and punchy. The higher the density gets, the looser it gets on the bottom end. But that's the case with most speaker cabs.

These cabs are very tight on the low end, and sound amazingly huge. I can't say anything bad about them personally. They fit me perfectly, and can really do well across the spectrum of tones!!! For those who don't want the lower registers, then a 2x12 the size of a THD like Klark said, is the right way to go. For those who play more modern tones...then the TM212 fits better IMHO, as it hands high gain VERY well. Also does lower gain stuff VERY well. The smaller box 2x12s, wouldn't handle the low end as well for higher gain palm muting. But, they'd handle the chimey, mid-range focused mid-gain stuff VERY well.

Both are great options that's for sure!

Eric

 

[richedie]

I am with you Eric, I am excited about taking the Eggie TM212 to rehearsal some day! I love the Elite 80s!
My Randall will have the G12-65/G12K-85 mix to see how that works. I am selling the CL 80 from my Randall. If this fails, I'll try the V30/85 mix you suggested!

I personally run my BB switches at 1 on most modules, but many times I leave them off!...and I run the density around 9-10 oclock too.

I think the TM212 handls modern rock as well as classic rock! Very versatile.