Looks like Marshall amps are getting ready to be available again in the US

[rsm]

So, you're saying it wasn't a dingo that ate the baby?

@Monkey Man would know that better than I

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Almost all wild Koala’s have Chlamydia.

 

[Monkey Man]

@Monkey Man would know that better than I

IIRC it turned out that many years later she was exonerated as it became obvious it was a dingo.

Those dogs can get out-of-hand and attack people quite-often. An infant is a low-hanging-fruit meal to them.

 

[VonBonfire]

Um, what a broad generalization that I drive a Prius. Just because I like the finer things in life; mahogany and teak furniture, vintage wine from crystal stemware, and only the most select PRS guitars, doesn't mean that I drive a Prius. I actually have a BMW hybrid, thank you very much.

But the man with everything also has isotoner gloves and a Cartier timepiece under his tree at Christmas. You didn't mention that stuff. Not very smugg if you ask me. I'm getting McMansion vibes.

 

[311splawndude]

I think this might be why TGP deleted it LOL

But you can see the prices on places like SW. Nothing has gone up. I didn't think there were tariffs on the Brits?

Was it:

a) because it was getting politically nasty or
b) because they assumed it would get politically nasty

either way, what a joke

 

[skoora]

IIRC it turned out that many years later she was exonerated as it became obvious it was a dingo.

Those dogs can get out-of-hand and attack people quite-often. An infant is a low-hanging-fruit meal to them.

Man, that was our O.J. back in the day. Epic stuff.

 

[jchrisf]

Was it:

a) because it was getting politically nasty or
b) because they assumed it would get politically nasty

either way, what a joke

There had only been about 6 responses when I last saw it but one guy asked about the tariffs.. that might have started something. It was gone in an hour after I posted it so I don't really know what happened. I asked a couple of guys I know who had posted in it if they knew and they didn't either.

 

[jchrisf]

An infant is a low-hanging-fruit meal to them.

 

[peterc52]

20% from EU. Hard times

 

[67mike]

He also hit Europe , Vietnam , and even Taiwan .

Looks like Ceritone just got less affordable....

 

[Rick Lee]

Does anyone know how country of origin is determined for something like a Marshall? If it's actually assembled in Vietnam, but the company is based in the UK, which is it?

 

[ZEEGLER]

Does anyone know how country of origin is determined for something like a Marshall? If it's actually assembled in Vietnam, but the company is based in the UK, which is it?

I just watched a YouTube video on this regarding Ford trucks. It's complicated because a Ford F150 built in the USA actually has parts from all over including China, Korea, Canada, Mexico, etc.. So, all those parts are subject to tariffs. So, even though you're buying a "made in USA" Ford F150, you're going to be paying more for that truck due to tariffs on the parts imported, and used to build that truck.

 

[Rick Lee]

I don't know how they could figure it all out. I just bought a BMW three weeks ago, so I'm good for a while. And I can't think of any routine purchases I make of stuff made abroad. I have enough Marshalls, guns, guitars, etc. For liquor I buy Maker's Mark and Kirkland vodka at Costco. I guess I'll feel it eventually, but all the stuff in my house is already paid for.

 

[jchrisf]

I can see now why TGP deleted the thread.. I had no idea it would venture into tariffs when the prices haven't yet gone up and you can buy them for this price now.

 

[Rick Lee]

I got a week time out on TGP once for responding to someone who claimed I had voted for import duties and writing a lower value on the customs declaration was hypocritical.

 

[skoora]

It’ll get weird for sure because with vehicles and larger industrial manufacture, parts are crossing the border more than once.

 

[jchrisf]

Maybe the new Vertical Scope take over AIs killed off my thread over there.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

I believe the tariffs are mainly on China, Mexico, and Canada. Basically the ones that have been fucking us over with trade deficits for years. I don't think UK will be affected, unless Marshall was importing some of their products to the US directly from China.

This sentiment is entirely misguided.

A trade deficit isn't something that inherently causes an undesirable impact. It just means between two countries, one imports more than it exports. That's it. It allows the country doing more importing to consume more of something than it can produce itself. That's literally all it is. But some people see the word "deficit" and think "deficit = bad" and their brain just shuts off after that.

The only thing tariffs are doing is hurting American businesses. It is a tax on American business for importing from another country. That's it. The tariff doesn't make the foreign country pay anything extra to the American government. It has no effect on foreign businesses other than it pressures American businesses to not buy from them, which in the modern USA isn't going to happen because this economy is built on importing stuff from all over the world.

So no, tariffs have nothing to do with providing an answer for other countries that have been "fucking us over" for years.

Classically, a tariff is just a tool used to incentivize businesses to buy from other businesses from the same country. But in this scenario it's idiotic because even if the USA could build local alternative businesses to supplant our imports, the process for doing so would take many years if not longer. And that's if the USA contains the raw materials upon which the businesses can build themselves. With a lot of raw materials, we just don't have them so we have to import them, making tariffs completely useless.

The real reason Trump is conducting his tariff war is for loyalty. Tons of select private businesses are getting exceptions from those tariffs specifically when they pay Trump money and loyalty in one way or another. You can watch it happen in real time if you turned off Fox News for 5 seconds.

The whole "tariffs are happening in response to other countries fucking us over" line is 100% bullshit propaganda that doesn't even begin to make sense if you even so much as know the definitions of those words.

 

[311splawndude]

Does anyone know how country of origin is determined for something like a Marshall? If it's actually assembled in Vietnam, but the company is based in the UK, which is it?

@ZEEGLER gave a good answer. It can definitely get confusing. I'm not an importer/exporter but I found a decent summary that I will paste below. It mostly comes down to the words Substantially Transformed. By law, every company that manufacturers a physical product must declare where things are truly made, or substantially transformed. But for example sake, if Marshall contracts with 'ABC Transformers' and they are in China, then when that transformer leaves China and hits the Vietnam border, any tariffs between Vietnam and China are applied. So the transformer may go from $300 to $330 in cost. That cost is usually passed on to the consumer as the manufacturers costs went up.

Remember, tariffs affect the importers of record who then pass that on to the purchaser (manufacturer in this case - Marshall). So if Marshall sources all of their parts from around the world (which could include the UK and US, for example) but it is assembled in Vietnam, the the amp is made in Vietnam. Sorry, that got long


"Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Label Check:
The most straightforward method is to examine the product's label or packaging. Look for phrases like "Made in USA," "Product of Italy," or similar indicators.

Manufacturer/Importer Records:
If the label is unclear or missing, consult the manufacturer's documentation, product specifications, or the importer's records.

Rules of Origin:
For imported goods, understand that the country of origin is where the product was manufactured, produced, or underwent substantial transformation, not necessarily where it was shipped from.

Substantial Transformation:
If a product undergoes significant processing or manufacturing in a country after being imported, that country can become the country of origin.

Trade Agreements:
Be aware that different trade agreements (like NAFTA/USMCA) may have specific rules and procedures for determining country of origin.

Customs and Border Protection:
In the United States, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) uses specific rules to determine country of origin for imported goods, including the "wholly produced" rule, the "de minimis" rule, and the "substantial transformation" rule.

Verification:
Customs authorities may verify the country of origin to ensure compliance with trade regulations and to assess duties and taxes.

Documentation:
For imported goods, the exporter or producer will submit documents relating to the production or manufacturing of the goods to the competent authority for verification."

 

[Soundstorm]

This sentiment is entirely misguided.

A trade deficit isn't something that inherently causes an undesirable impact. It just means between two countries, one imports more than it exports. That's it. It allows the country doing more importing to consume more of something than it can produce itself. That's literally all it is. But some people see the word "deficit" and think "deficit = bad" and their brain just shuts off after that.

The only thing tariffs are doing is hurting American businesses. It is a tax on American business for importing from another country. That's it. The tariff doesn't make the foreign country pay anything extra to the American government. It has no effect on foreign businesses other than it pressures American businesses to not buy from them, which in the modern USA isn't going to happen because this economy is built on importing stuff from all over the world.

So no, tariffs have nothing to do with providing an answer for other countries that have been "fucking us over" for years.

Classically, a tariff is just a tool used to incentivize businesses to buy from other businesses from the same country. But in this scenario it's idiotic because even if the USA could build local alternative businesses to supplant our imports, the process for doing so would take many years if not longer. And that's if the USA contains the raw materials upon which the businesses can build themselves. With a lot of raw materials, we just don't have them so we have to import them, making tariffs completely useless.

The real reason Trump is conducting his tariff war is for loyalty. Tons of select private businesses are getting exceptions from those tariffs specifically when they pay Trump money and loyalty in one way or another. You can watch it happen in real time if you turned off Fox News for 5 seconds.

The whole "tariffs are happening in response to other countries fucking us over" line is 100% bullshit propaganda that doesn't even begin to make sense if you even so much as know the definitions of those words.

Thanks for the laugh!