Mark iic+ comparison by Ola

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Rex Rocker said:
By those standards, Rectos and Ubers are unusable in a mix?
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You'd be surprised how much of that low end, if not all of it, gets carved out by mix engineers to make room for the bass and kick.
 
Soundstorm said:
You'd be surprised how much of that low end, if not all of it, gets carved out by mix engineers to make room for the bass and kick.
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I am a mix engineer. Or at least, I used to be.

I agree you have to be careful with how much low-end you dial in. But also, those types of really deep low-end on guitars isn't as intrussive and is actually kinda cool in pam-mutes as what's just coming right up higher in the spectrum, which just muddies thing up. We were having a discussion about that a few threads ago.

I mean, yeah. Don't crank a Recto's bass knob past like 12-1o'clock even, but you can afford some really deep low-end in there. I mean, after all, a guitar's low E fundamental is close to 80 Hz. You don't want to neuter all of the balls from palm mutes either.

I guess many people just play it safe and dial very little low-end in a guitar tone to fit a mix. But I personally like thick fat 90's and 2000's tones. Heartwork by Carcass was even two cabinets duct-taped together, wasn't it? I'm sure that would add some low-end rumble to the sound. I mean, even if they cut some while mixing, what was the point of even making that experiment if it wouldn't have some effect on the mixed tone?

I also think people often make the mistake of hipassing recorded tones really high up to 150 Hz. I think all that does is bring the focus of the low-end higher up to the area where it's really muddy and stuffy. But people like different stuff, so oh, well.
 
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Thinking about Ola's choice of EQing & microphone- it's possible he was under some pressure to get the word out that the VII and the JP are the same as the OG. I've owned 2 JPs and 7 C+. While I agree you can dial them in very close on the mic, in the room with a real cab they just aren't the same.

Or, it's just true what we've known for years- he's excellent at making every amp he demos sound like an Ola demo.
 
GJgo said:
Thinking about Ola's choice of EQing & microphone- it's possible he was under some pressure to get the word out that the VII and the JP are the same as the OG. I've owned 2 JPs and 7 C+. While I agree you can dial them in very close on the mic, in the room with a real cab they just aren't the same.

Or, it's just true what we've known for years- he's excellent at making every amp he demos sound like an Ola demo.
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I have to say I'm pretty impressed with the sound of that ribbon mic on it's own, that SE Audio Voodoo. I think mixing an SM57 in just enough to give it a bit more bite would make for a killer recorded heavy tone.
 
ultimatemetalguitartones said:
The mark IV rev b especially is really compressed which might work really well in a mix. I noticed the same with my buddy's jp. To be honest my 1984 2C+ sounds more open and raw and I can hear that in that comparison too.
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Well Ive got an older model IVb from 94 and I compared it to a IVa once and it might have been ever so slightly more compressed than the IVa at the same gain level, but it wasn't a very signifiant thing at all, or even really perceivable to be honest. Maybe it's because it's an older one and it has to do with the components used in it, IDK. and the compression level is really up to how much gain is being used, if I'm using a more crunchy tone, it's nice and open sounding.
 
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GJgo said:
Thinking about Ola's choice of EQing & microphone- it's possible he was under some pressure to get the word out that the VII and the JP are the same as the OG. I've owned 2 JPs and 7 C+. While I agree you can dial them in very close on the mic, in the room with a real cab they just aren't the same.

Or, it's just true what we've known for years- he's excellent at making every amp he demos sound like an Ola demo.
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He's one of those guys that always gives an honest opinion about the gear he demo's, if it sucks or is in any way inferior he speaks up about it.
 
From the video, I think the real C+ sounded best. It had a bit more aggression and more "oomph" like others said on the bottom end. It wasn't better by a huge margin though, and I thought the others sounded great too.
 
I think they all sounded like shit. Ola can do better than that.
I‘ve directly compared a C+ HRG and a JP2C and the difference is night and day. They definitely share the same Mark DNA, but the difference is very audible, and it’s what you should expect between amps 40 years apart In age.
 
Soundstorm said:
Funny you say that, the JP2C has massive low end on my computer speakers/sub setup, vs the other two. The kind of low end that sounds cool for practice but is unusable in a mix.
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Depend with what you listen. On my studio monitors are very similar, but with headphones the JP2C have some boomy frequencies i can't hear with other systems. I think is more the recording then the amp.
 
Beyond Black said:
I think they all sounded like shit. Ola can do better than that.
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Yeah I’m not sure what he’s doing, he used to put a few different mics on the speaker along with a few room mics, different guitars and tunings.. these mark reviews seem a little phoned in
 
I think the main takeaway here, is they’re all very close and share the same DNA. Is there bias toward what we hear in the room when it’s loud as shit, YEAH… 1000%. Is the vintage stuff truly better, or is it just bias? Probably a little of both, with that extra 10 percent coming though,

So, is the extra 10 percent or so that you get from the real deal worth the difference in price, mainly because well, Metallica used it lol. If the 2c+ was a grand more than a mark VII or jp2c would I bite? Probably, I’m guilty of that with my dual rec. But at 8k plus price difference nowadays GTFO.
 
I thought his tone was fine.

Ola has a very specific tone that I don't always like, but he has a taste to how he dials his tones, and he goes with it. Certainly not everyone is going to like it.

I don't like how clanky he sometimes he dials in his stuff (probably what people are saying about the treble being on 10), but I'd take his tones over Fluff's any day of the week.

I did like how he did full produced demos of amps better, TBH.
 
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Rex Rocker said:
I thought his tone was fine.

Ola has a very specific tone that I don't always like, but he has a taste to how he dials his tones, and he goes with it. Certainly not everyone is going to like it.

I don't like how clanky he sometimes he dials in his stuff (probably what people are saying about the treble being on 10), but I'd take his tones over Fluff's any day of the week.
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Ya, it wasn't that bad. It's just one mono track anyways. If it was doubled, then lo and hi pass filtered with a bass and drums added, it would probably sound killer.
 
ZEN Amps said:
Suhr
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I bought the Suhr RL when it first came out and was a game changer for me. Just love it. I kept my cabs (Bogner and Diezel 4x12) but haven’t played them in years. The Suhr was so good I decided to invest in a set of Focal Trio 6BE Studio monitors and it’s just heaven.
 
Fordman65 said:
I have the Suhr RL IR, but until recently, have only used it with headphones. I now have an interface and monitors, but haven't been able to get very good tones. Sounds overly compressed and very congested. Haven't had much time to sort it out, but so far I'm not overly impressed. Could very easily be user error though.
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The Suhr was made from a Celestion Greenback, so that is the speaker curve the amp will see. So that may help as you dial things in. Your IRs of choice and monitors will obviously have a big effect on the sounds as well.
 
cardinal said:
Ugh I had a SLO Rackmount that I practically gave away years ago, no body wanted it (for that type of thing, I just liked a master volume JMP). I don't miss it in the least but man shoulda put that one in a closest too.
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I used my Soldano Avenger for all this . Heavy tones were brutal but it sounded great with all the effects added and it had no loop. So go figure.
 
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