MESA/Boogie® Mark IIC+ full demo & overview ft. Doug West & Tommy Waugh

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Say your prayers, little one,
And don't forget, my son,
How much you paid Gibson,
I plug in, dial it in,
And I do not grin,
As my amp starts to hum.

It’s not cheap, perhaps it’s broken?
Of the receipt don’t lose sight….

Exit tight!
Enter shite!
For around 4 grand,
We’re off to boomer Dad rock land.

Something’s wrong, the power light,
Colour’s not quite right,
And the bass it ain’t tight…..
Dreamed of more,
Badly wired?
Is this why Randall retired?
Yeah, this circuit ain’t right….

It’s not cheap, perhaps it’s broken?
Of the receipt don’t lose sight….

Exit tight!
Enter shite!
Demos I can’t stand,
We’re off to boomer Dad rock land.

Hush, little punter, don’t say a word,
And never mind that noise you heard,
It’s just the wiring in your reissue head,
Poorly soldered, not shielded….

Exit tight!
Enter shite!
Crank the 750 hertz band,
We’re off to boomer Dad rock land.
 
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I want to grab one and stick it on my oscope/digital spectrum analyzer and show it’s a total cluster at any setting. Just because it’s not audibly oscillating doesn’t mean it’s not oscillating at all. It’s just above 20KHz and their braincell count.

You can see if inaudible oscillation is happening with some reactive loads if they use an LED. I use a Suhr RL, and if I fully open the Treble and Presence pots on a Suhr SL68, the LED will light and stay lit whether I'm playing or not and I can't hear anything coming through the speakers. I'd assume that's oscillation happening above what the speakers are able to reproduce.
 
Guess who's back

Is this the upcoming Rectifier at around 0:28 in the video?

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Guess who's back

This may have been shot long before the hoopla, but either way I can see him rationalizing, “if those haters want a metal clip, then stand back cuz I’m gonna go super brutal on their asses with some ultra low Drop D riffage!” I’d suggest he forget the Drop D tuning and just drop the attempt altogether. In fact, this was so lame the tone police should charge him with at least two counts of attempted brutality.
 
i feel kinda bad for Dinesh. i hope he just gets reassigned to another Gibson marketing duty and not fired outright right before the holidays.
i mean somebody other than himself had to be responsible for selecting him to be the face of mesa demos, right?

my Tyler Classic is absolutely the wrong tool for the metal job and i am a completely lost cause at the angry young men chuggies…
so here’s my Mark III blue stripe grandpa metal fiasco with my Tyler Classic 🤣 to take some heat off brother Dinesh. notice how i start in the velvet oatmeal tonezone and just some simple Eq adjustments lift the blanket quickly:



on a happy note my daughter and her hubby welcomed their first baby into the world this morning 🙏🥳🌺

Congratulations bro!!
 
Why reissue an amp that always sounded like ass?
it’s amazing how context and timing elevated this one Mark II version into the stratosphere.

back in 82 my high school buddy Zach and i were exposed to boogies because his uncles were working musicians and concert techs here on Oahu and knew all the hip stuff. braddah Z scored a IIB combo with matching 1x12, altec speakers, and the fetron solid state preamp “tube”.

"The IIA and IIB, and some late-model Mark I amps, used a JFET-based device called fetron in place of the input stage 12AX7 (V1), and included a switch for configuring the amp for either Fetron or 12AX7 operation. The reason for using a fetron was to address some of the problems associated with microphonic 12AX7 tubes in a high-gain situation; its use was later discontinued as newer production tubes were able to withstand the extreme conditions within the amplifier."

it had incredible clean tones, which combined with that imbuya/wicker exotic appearance is primarily why all the local Hawaiian musicians approved. but the footswitching into santana/carlton leads up to all the modern fire and juice you can imagine *at any volume*, especially with the graphic eq there to smooth or enhance the lows, mids and the Altec’s aluminum highs, made it the top choice for local professional entertainers or visiting acts looking to rent a high quality grab and go.

at a time where you had to crank marshalls to find tone, attenuators were unknown and pedals were pretty limited, this was revolutionary.

and had my early IIB Coli sounded like my friend’s IIB fetron combo, and had i known then what i know now, i would have never sold the Coli.

the combo had a truly fat liquid vocal lead tone with endless sustain
-feels slightly compressed and spongy but tone is wide open sharp and clear, and not closed off or blurry-
that is likely what owners of magic C+ specimens opine over.

when brad gillis came to town with Ozzy shortly after RR died, he used IIBs. his gtr tech walked onstage during soundcheck, hit a few chords and the crowd went wild. his tone got a standing ovation! and it is still one of the top 2 live rock tones i’ve ever heard. the speak of the devil recotding does not do justice at all to what it sounded like in the room.

the perfect storm was mark II boogies really starting to reach their stride when young upstarts Metallica hit big and connected their new generation sound and approachable riffs to the brand new and limited run of C+. but if you were firmly rooted in boogie tone at that point, the Mark III was the answer to Petaluma prayers when it hit the market.
 
I want to grab one and stick it on my oscope/digital spectrum analyzer and show it’s a total cluster at any setting. Just because it’s not audibly oscillating doesn’t mean it’s not oscillating at all. It’s just above 20KHz and their braincell count.
 
This thread is wayyyyyyy too long but here's another IIC+ comparison video I made to gum it up! Blind test...


Test one was very easy (even on the iPhone). OG has more harmonics in the mids and is well balanced. RI sounds slightly woofy.
I got two wrong. Couldn’t tell but the second one had the woofyness.
Cleans sounded identical.

Thx for the comparisons!
 
Say your prayers, little one,
And don't forget, my son,
How much you paid Gibson,
I plug in, dial it in,
And I do not grin,
As my amp starts to hum.

It’s not cheap, perhaps it’s broken?
Of the receipt don’t lose sight….

Exit tight!
Enter shite!
Rake my 750 hertz band,
We’re off to boomer Dad rock land.

Hush, little punter, don’t say a word,
And never mind that noise you heard,
It’s just the wiring in your reissue head,
Poorly soldered, not shielded……

Exit tight!
Enter shite!
Rake my 750 hertz band,
We’re off to boomer Dad rock land.
OMG can I record this ?!?!?!
 
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