Message from Mark Cameron as relayed to a5150guy

[oldmanmetal]

 

[oldmanmetal]

 

[crankyrayhanky]

I get the Mark Cameron scam, he is a supposed addict, and has stolen people's money. I get that Brad bought the name outright, helped out Mark to get him on his feet and work with him. Mark screwed Brad over, and has extreme butthurt over the whole thing, and may or may not have given him the right schematics etc...The first run was marred by poor quality, and a contracted builder doing subpar work. Those have been fixed now, or at least working as much as possible with the shoddy craftsmanship. The thing I don't get, why has it taken so long to get the newer amps out, if there is reputable builders now building the products. How is it that new models were introduced, before the CCV problems were even worked out? Honestly, the whole thing seems a bit odd, and makes 0 sense it is still going on. I am more amazed how so many people can defend all this stuff. This is no longer a one man operation, but a manufactured amp. As someone who has been scammed by a one man operation, worth a LOT more than a Cameron, I will no longer give money up front. 1-2 years on a "production" amp is crazy. That long for a one man operation is crazy. This needs to be called out, warnings sent, and resolved. I don't care how great a guy someone is, but when you don't deliver on a product paid for, or deliver an inferior product, it is a major ethical breach. The kool-aid is some stroooooooong shit. This ruins a lot of small builders out there who are honest, and deliver a finished quality product in a timely manner. I would also really like to see Mark in jail for stealing so many people's money, he is nothing more a common thief. The whole thing is disgraceful from top to bottom. Go ahead and flame me, but this is the straight up truth.

Yes, from an outside point of view, there does seem to be a lot of kudos being thrown around a bit early- let's wait for some amps to ship before you open the champagne

 

[johnpace2]

All 25 guys on the first run received their amps and 3 of the guys you ripped off received amps from money that came out of Cameron Amplification LLC pocket, not yours.

Hi Brad and Rob!

Just to know, who are those three guys which have been payed?
Have you followed the “unoficial oficial list” of Mark’s payments day to do it?

I am asking because I am the 4th in this list, so I am unlucky twice!
Thanks!

Bruno.

Yeah, what he said. I think Todd and I were numbers one and two and we haven't gotten squat.

 

[magh8]

this has become a very interesting thread indeed

 

[racerevlon]

None of the following is intended to represent the author as registered legal counsel or any representative thereof.

Seems to me:

IT IS AGREED by the Parties as to the terms set forth below.
Use of Individual Name and Brand Name
1. Upon the execution of this Agreement, Mark agrees that he is assigning, transferring, and/or signing over any and all rights to the use of his name as well as the use of his brand name(s) to CamAmp for its sole use in its manufacture and sales function. As such, all past, present, and future ownership interest Mark may have had, has, or would have had in same is immediately forfeited and ceases to exist.
2. Upon the execution of this Agreement, Mark agrees that he is assigning, transferring, and/or signing over any and all ownership interest he had in the past, has in the present, or would have had in the future in any and all products that comprise the design function. As such, any and all such ownership interest is immediately forfeited and ceases to exist. A competent Attorney would argue that the spirit and intent of this clause is that Mark was to turn over all existing designs accurately and in their entirety or disclose that their does not exist a single master design and that every modification was unique. Failure to do so would constitute breach of contract.
3. As of the date of execution of this Agreement, the products that have been identified and are presently included in the design function are Models: CCV100; CCM100; Custom 75; Mini CCV; Mini CCM; Rackmount Preamps; Rackmount Power Amplifiers; Jose High Gain; the Aldrich and Ocean modifications; and various pedal designs. Atomica is not mentioned in this list explicitly, nor is Old Bitch referenced explicitly or via alias. Unless a superseding agreement exists aliasing these referenced designs a competent Attorney would most likely successfully argue that they are thus excluded from the agreement.


The Design Function and Non-Compete Clause
4. Mark fully understands and acknowledges that he is the designer, and only the designer, of the products which comprise the design function. Accordingly, Mark agrees that he shall neither represent or portray himself as a participant in CamAmp or as an owner of any of the products which comprise the design function. A competent Attorney would argue that any deviations from Mark's original designs are/were at the discretion of CamAmp and thus invalidate this clause.
5. Mark fully understands, acknowledges, and agrees that he shall not design any product(s) for anyone or entity other than CamAmp that may be considered in any manner or fashion by CamAmp in its sole judgment to be in competition with the products herein referenced that comprise the design function. A competent Attorney would get Mark out of this in a heartbeat, as any "Artistic" design work is highly subjective.
6. Mark fully understands, acknowledges, and agrees that he is responsible for designing at least a minimum of four new designs each year, one design every quarter based on a calendar year. Obviously (or apparently), this didn't happen as I've seen no announcement of any new CamAmp products.

There's a lot of "White Space" in here that one of the parties is advantageously leveraging in combination with the plain kindness of others and a fundamental unwillingness to litigate. I would posit that there's a good deal of common sense at play here as you can't, "Get blood from a stone."

For those who are out-of-pocket or still owed, you may want to consider amending tax returns and writing off the loss as a bad debt. One-third of your money back is better than nothing.

Should I have gone to Law School instead...?

 

[oldmanmetal]

I am sure this will be locked soon......Hopefully no one else will fall for this...

 

[oldmanmetal]

None of the following is intended to represent the author as registered legal counsel or any representative thereof.

Seems to me:

IT IS AGREED by the Parties as to the terms set forth below.
Use of Individual Name and Brand Name
1. Upon the execution of this Agreement, Mark agrees that he is assigning, transferring, and/or signing over any and all rights to the use of his name as well as the use of his brand name(s) to CamAmp for its sole use in its manufacture and sales function. As such, all past, present, and future ownership interest Mark may have had, has, or would have had in same is immediately forfeited and ceases to exist.
2. Upon the execution of this Agreement, Mark agrees that he is assigning, transferring, and/or signing over any and all ownership interest he had in the past, has in the present, or would have had in the future in any and all products that comprise the design function. As such, any and all such ownership interest is immediately forfeited and ceases to exist. A competent Attorney would argue that the spirit and intent of this clause is that Mark was to turn over all existing designs accurately and in their entirety or disclose that their does not exist a single master design and that every modification was unique. Failure to do so would constitute breach of contract.
3. As of the date of execution of this Agreement, the products that have been identified and are presently included in the design function are Models: CCV100; CCM100; Custom 75; Mini CCV; Mini CCM; Rackmount Preamps; Rackmount Power Amplifiers; Jose High Gain; the Aldrich and Ocean modifications; and various pedal designs. Atomica is not mentioned in this list explicitly, nor is Old Bitch referenced explicitly or via alias. Unless a superseding agreement exists aliasing these referenced designs a competent Attorney would most likely successfully argue that they are thus excluded from the agreement.


The Design Function and Non-Compete Clause
4. Mark fully understands and acknowledges that he is the designer, and only the designer, of the products which comprise the design function. Accordingly, Mark agrees that he shall neither represent or portray himself as a participant in CamAmp or as an owner of any of the products which comprise the design function. A competent Attorney would argue that any deviations from Mark's original designs are/were at the discretion of CamAmp and thus invalidate this clause.
5. Mark fully understands, acknowledges, and agrees that he shall not design any product(s) for anyone or entity other than CamAmp that may be considered in any manner or fashion by CamAmp in its sole judgment to be in competition with the products herein referenced that comprise the design function. A competent Attorney would get Mark out of this in a heartbeat, as any "Artistic" design work is highly subjective.
6. Mark fully understands, acknowledges, and agrees that he is responsible for designing at least a minimum of four new designs each year, one design every quarter based on a calendar year. Obviously (or apparently), this didn't happen as I've seen no announcement of any new CamAmp products.

There's a lot of "White Space" in here that one of the parties is advantageously leveraging in combination with the plain kindness of others and a fundamental unwillingness to litigate. I would posit that there's a good deal of common sense at play here as you can't, "Get blood from a stone."

For those who are out-of-pocket or still owed, you may want to consider amending tax returns and writing off the loss as a bad debt. One-third of your money back is better than nothing.

Should I have gone to Law School instead...?

Good luck suing Mark. He has nothing but frozen pizzas.

 

[Mailman1971]

Good luck suing Mark. He has nothing but frozen pizzas.

Plain pepperoni or the Full works?

 

[racerevlon]

Good luck suing Mark. He has nothing but frozen pizzas.

Plain pepperoni or the Full works?

My point exactly. And according to Brad's comments HE purchased them, so he'd only be getting his own pizza back...

 

[JerryP]

Arm chair attorneys, awesome! Pretty sure there's a bit more to that contract that didn't get posted. Not seeing the entire picture I'm sure.
Jerry

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

this is all very interesting information and i appreciate everyone's input and you guys obviously know what your talking about.

Im not sure at the time why Mark wouldnt give us his actual circuits or if he even does these mods the same way every time, the guy is such a scatter brain and improviser. Also, when he gave us these designs, he really was on board and needed Cameron to succeed. So it doesnt make alot of sense that Mark would keep his true mods secrete. But then again we are talking about Mark Cameron. I remember when we first started looking at 3 CCVs for research when we started this project. All 3 CCVs sounded different and all of them had different parts in them and wired differently. Before we released both the Atomica and Old Bitch we a/b them with I believe todd stricklands (I may be wrong) Atomica and Aldrich and we all thought the new amps sounded better. Friedman would know more about what was inside those amps more than me.

thanx for the info guys

Rob,

I think you're a pretty smart dude and can figure out why Mark wouldn't spill all the beans. He clearly told me on the phone one time that he wasn't going to give you guys his exact mods. NOW, i'm not saying there is anything mystical or magical about what he does, it's a fricken amp in the end. But his amps do sound killer, and people paid for that. Life is to damn short to waste all this time on this non sense. BUT, i think it's pretty simple to figure out he was protecting himself and his intellectual property by not giving you guys exactly what he's been surviving off of for the last 20 years. He saw an easy way to get the CCV's he owed off his lap by you guys filling the missing orders, looks like that isn't happening either?

AGAIN, i am not sticking up for Mark in any way, I am one of the people he fucked around and owes money to...

Respectfully
Nick

 

[LP Freak]

Boy, whose getting the last laugh now.

 

[projectx102]

I'm sending an amp to Nick!

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

I'm sending an amp to Nick!

lol shit man i better not take any money up front !

 

[dooredge]

Integrity. Too bad Mark couldn't put that in his pipe and smoke it. He may have actually gone somewhere with his talent if he had any.

 

[Gorehog]

honestly pretty damn good, i plan to do a video and review soon. i pulled it out of the box, set it on stage, powered up and was playing live an hour later. of the three i think it is actually the best. the atomica has a very dominanat low end, the ccv has a bogner mid low that i was trying to dial out. the old bitch is more balanced with a grinding mid. cleans up nice. covers everything from van halen to some country, to ninties stuff like creed, all with volume control. higher gain gets alot of white noise, i have a pro rack g coming for the front end and loop to try to control a bit. i do regret selling the other two, i would love to have the trifecta sitting in the house.

Glad your enjoying it. Since im not in a band ATM, it would have sat on a shelf. Give her hell!!

 

[guitarmike]

Problem with this is all this talk of buying Mark clothes, paying his rent, giving him 20 bucks out of pocket, him hounding Brad for cash, ect ect,. Has set up potential grounds for signing something under duress and not fully understanding or acknowledging anything. Signing something on drugs and not fully understanding or acknowledging anything.

I've learned the hard way to audio and video record every prenup now.

I understand the need for justice and the wake of shit that Mark left with his previous Cameron Amps project is ridiculous and needs to be corrected.
But saying that, this agreement he signed only has a limited time it's viable.

Complete the remaining orders for any Cameron products, take no new deposits or orders on anything Cameron and close up Camamps. Anything else and you could run the risk of appearing that you guys are taking advantage of this poor, eccentric, artistic, possibly unstable, amp builder.

Lester, Camamps has the right to build and sell amps as long as they want. Drug addiction does not equal mental instability. Artistic types like Mark pull this kind of crap all the time in many different fields, they just think differently than most people. I have seen it before in the model train world. There is no way Camamps will turn into some high volume, high profit business, Cameron does not have the name recognition Friedman or Fortin have. If the pros start buying Camerons perhaps, but it looks to me like it will end up being a few amps available on demand and just a small sideline to these guy's overall business.

From what people post on this forum Mark is modding amps again and that is against the agreement. I do not see Camamps trying to stop it, that is showing more than enough compassion towards Mark.

Does smoking a little weed automatically classify you as a drug addict?

$45K worth does

 

[racerevlon]

Arm chair attorneys, awesome! Pretty sure there's a bit more to that contract that didn't get posted. Not seeing the entire picture I'm sure.
Jerry

Agreed--I think you made my point in WAY fewer words. At this point it all seems pretty futile.

 

[Bob Savage]

Should I have gone to Law School instead...?

LOL... And you're indicating what a "competent attorney" would argue?

No disrespect intended whatsoever, but while this may seem simple at the surface, it's not. Even just in what Rob posted, it's complex.