metallica death magnetic tone sound

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you are right, especcially fidelman is well known for having the limiter always on the bus, so i can smell where the loudness (and in effect the clipping+distortion) comes from. i'm pretty sure jensen/Sterlingsound did this not by themselves.
 
^That's not entirely correct. And if you are having the same source of information you should have read further :-)
He has a limiter on the 2-buss, but he uses stems for taping the mix, so the limiter is purely for listening/mixing purposes (I guess). Mixing is an art and engineers approach might differ next to the other:)

That does not excuse the album sound though :-) But the final word is Rick Rubin's and Metallica's... So the mixing engineer and the mastering engineer (both pretty well known in the industry and with more than few credits ) were just earning their living, if you ask me.
 
I'm not really gonna chip in, as this is pretty much a dead horse, but the fuckup occured during mixing - Greg Fidelman. Metallica were not present during the mixing and subsequent mastering and it was probably too late to pull the plug because of the imminent release.

Anyhow, James used his VH-4's, some Rectos, Marshalls and Kranks, and Kirk used his Randalls, Marshalls, and Mesas for the sound you're hearing.

Side note: The GH3 version has been "redone" by some people and it sounds so much better especially on TDTNC and TU3.
 
scottph":3d4gitd9 said:
I'm not really gonna chip in, as this is pretty much a dead horse, but the fuckup occured during mixing - Greg Fidelman. Metallica were not present during the mixing and subsequent mastering and it was probably too late to pull the plug because of the imminent release.

Anyhow, James used his VH-4's, some Rectos, Marshalls and Kranks, and Kirk used his Randalls, Marshalls, and Mesas for the sound you're hearing.

Side note: The GH3 version has been "redone" by some people and it sounds so much better especially on TDTNC and TU3.
Thanks Scott. I still think people are bitching too much about this. I mean I got my download @ 320 and it sounds killer in my car and slight clipping on my IPOD but not much. I mean people Jesus.......do you like the songs or are people gonna complain non stop about the "slight" clipping?? yes I said "slight" i put it into cubase and listened over and over and IMO it is fine for me. Then again I prefer live metallica MP3's and not album versions, so maybe hence why I dont mind as much as the audiophiles. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
 
Hi Sean! Yeah, I got the GH3 version yesterday evening and I don't think it's THAT much better, in parts it's actually worse imo. I dig the music, and that's all that matters. I do believe however that if they had a production like on TBA it would be even better. :)


I know this is kinda OT, but:

BURBANK, CA. (Top40 Charts/ Warner Bros. Records) - Death Magnetic, the ninth studio album from multi-platinum hard-rock band Metallica, is the best-selling album in the country this week, debuting atop the Billboard Top 200 Albums Chart at No. 1, making Metallica the only band in chart history to have five albums debut at No. 1.

Metallica breaks their tie with the Beatles, U2 and the Dave Matthews Band, all of who have four No.
1 album debuts. Death Magnetic is Metallica's fifth consecutive studio album to debut at No. 1, following 1991's Metallica (known as The Black Album), 1996's Load, 1997's ReLoad, and 2003's St. Anger. Death Magnetic also scored big around the world with No. 1 debuts in such diverse countries as Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Great Britain, Holland, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, and Turkey (which doesn't have an official chart but the album was No. 1 on every retail chart). More No. 1 rankings are expected this weekend as remaining charts roll in.

Released by Warner Bros. Records in the United States and Canada and by Universal Music for the rest of the world, on Friday, September 12th, Death Magnetic debuted at No. 1 despite being in stores for only three days, rather than the traditional seven. In addition to its heavy sales at large-chain stores and digital retailers, Death Magnetic also did blockbuster business among independent retailers, such as the Boston-based Newbury Comics, the Phoenix-based Zia, and Maine's Bull Moose, selling more copies in its first day than many of this year's top releases did in one week, proving that Metallica is connecting with its fans wherever they may shop.

Months before Death Magnetic hit stores, Metallica and Warner Bros. Records launched a new website, http://www.missionmetallica.com, which offered users a unique, ground-breaking look-in on the making of the album with producer Rick Rubin via a treasure trove of exclusive content, including the low-down from the band members themselves about their progress in the studio via fly-on-the-wall video footage, audio of riffs and excerpts of new songs, and exclusive new and never-before-seen archival photos from the studio. In total, Metallica posted 350 minutes of exclusive footage that reached nearly 10 million people across 161 countries. They also streamed Death Magnetic for fan club and Mission Metallica members the day before its release, allowing hardcore fans to hear the album before anyone else and creating a frenzy of positive word-of-mouth among Metallica's fan community. The album also streamed on metallica.com and metclub.com. Fan club and Mission Metallica members also got first crack at purchasing tickets for the band's North American tour, fueling even more excitement for the upcoming album.

In addition, Metallica interacted directly with fans who posted clips of themselves performing Metallica songs on YouTube. Drummer Lars Ulrich viewed fan-generated clips and posted a video that personally expressed his appreciation. Ulrich's clip, which was posted on September 4th, has already been viewed 1.2 million times.

Metallica also set a record for having the most radio stations in history sign up for an exclusive FMQB broadcast of "The World Premiere of Death Magnetic." The program, hosted by Foo Fighters' Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins and featuring all four members of Metallica, was heard on more than 175 stations across the U.S. and Canada. The first single from the album, "The Day That Never Comes," is currently hovering around the top of both Mediabase Mainstream and Active Rock Charts. Seven more tracks from Death Magnetic have charted across three radio formats, Alternative, Active Rock, and Rock - a feat rarely, if ever accomplished by a rock band/artist.

Reviews have praised Death Magnetic for its "compositions that are nasty and complex" (New York Times), while Time magazine says that the "songs fly by with the force of the world's angriest amusement-park ride, and when they set you down, often after seven or eight dizzying but tuneful minutes, giddiness is the only appropriate response." British metal bible Kerrang! wrote that "Metallica once again sound like one of the most exciting bands in the world" and have "managed to harness their talent and instinct into a modern metal album that makes a mockery of the modern competition."

Tickets for Metallica's first proper tour of the United States and Canada in four years are currently on sale. The first leg of the tour begins on October 21st and will cross North America through fall and early winter before concluding on January 21st. Support bands are Down, The Sword, Lamb of God, and Machine Head.

Formed in Los Angeles in 1981 by drummer Lars Ulrich and guitarist and vocalist James Hetfield, Metallica has become one of the most influential and commercially successful rock bands in history, having sold 100 million albums worldwide and playing to millions of fans the world over. They have garnered numerous awards and accolades, including seven Grammy Awards, two American Music Awards, and multiple MTV Video Music Awards.
 
it s the biggest and greatest band of all time, guess thats what you wanted to say and i totally agree.
and you 2 are completely right, its a great album, and people should stop bitching and trying to find smthg bad about it.


METALLICAAAAAAAAAAAAA :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
its not that i'm trying to "find" something bad about it - its just that i REALLY hate the over-the-top-peak-of-the loudness-war production, and whenever i try to "drift away" with the music, the FZFZFZFZFZZFZZZZZZ slaps me back in reality and makes me turn it off, which is sad, because its a great record songwise.

and yeah, there may be already good versions being downloadable - but damn, i paid for the record - in the past you got the better sound if you buy the record, and the weaker sounding files for download...today its vice versa? especially when its about Metallica -the Napster-Killers? strange times these are... :confused: :lol: :LOL:
 
Not to stray too far OT, but Metallica didn't kill Napster - I wish people would stop saying that...
 
scottph":1d05bl03 said:
Not to stray too far OT, but Metallica didn't kill Napster - I wish people would stop saying that...
+1

Like my Dad says as he is a huge music fanatic too............the record companies dropped the ball and did not see the future of the interwebz and music. Instead of fighting them, they should have embraced it and bought em all out. Only now it seems the are starting to. People are gonna "share" music regardless. But the purist, always say it is stealing. which in part is true, but IMO not so different than in the 80's when people dubbed cassette tapes for each other...but now on a larger scale. Yanno? JMO :)
 
Kinda weird, but I've come to like the sound on the CD a lot now. Blasted it through my stereo at home and in the car a few times and I like it more now than the GH3 version...
 
Look on torrentsites for Death Magnetic - Guitar Hero III.


Sounds sooooo much better than the official album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I


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scottph":11tzkzak said:
Kinda weird, but I've come to like the sound on the CD a lot now. Blasted it through my stereo at home and in the car a few times and I like it more now than the GH3 version...
yeah like I said I play the MM download in my car and it plays just fine. I burned the GH version and heard some break up in TDNC :confused:
 
well... it's weird... in my laptop crappy speakers the CD distorts, it distorts less in my good sounding (not great though) in ear senheiser headphones, but it doesn't distort in my Sony MDR 7506 headphones (this ones have flat response for mixing/recording)

So again, the record IS too loud, it's too compressed, and it might clip here and there.....but the clipping is not THAT bad, is the loudness that's killing everything.

I enjoy it in my Sony headphones, I gotta take a listen in my studio monitors (will do that today and write back) but they definitely could have "limited/compressed it a little bit less)

But guitar tone/bass tone wise, I LOVE IT!......... I gotta admit that the drums could have been mixed better (the snare's too loud, AND it just personal preference, I sometimes dig the tuning lars has on his snare but someother times I miss the old Black Album/AJFA tuning. I'd love to hear DM with that snare tuning, less "pummm" and more "paafff"
 
diezel&gas":1wf6cnr6 said:
little off topic, is guitar world metalica' special the september or december copy?
in here it's just available the october copy :(

?
 
scottph":151ykk5o said:
sean106ESP":151ykk5o said:
scottph":151ykk5o said:
http://www.guitarworld.com/metallica_death_magnetic_gear_rigs_james_hetfield

http://www.guitarworld.com/metallica_de ... rk_hammett

Just like I said. :yes:
What..... about his live rig? I think we all knew that. ;) The album amps are discussed more in GW. Good read too. very interesting.

Huh? The links I posted are from GW. They are the main rigs used for DM.
yeah but in the article they discuss how they used 3 amps for his rhythm tone and mainly the MarkIIC+. I think those links are his live rig. JMO ;)
 
Well, I did say that they used Marshalls, Kranks, etc. for the recording too - as shown in the M:M vids.
 
scottph":dj3v3b25 said:
Well, I did say that they used Marshalls, Kranks, etc. for the recording too - as shown in the M:M vids.
well there ya go ;)
 
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