Modern Classic II vs. MTL

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This might be the closest thing we have to a clean comparison on a heavy tone with a proper recording setup...Thank you @ZEN Amps

Setup:
Same exact riff
Same exact player from what i can tell
Same exact guitar too
Same cab with a 75 Watt Creamback


Modern Classic II - 3:06 to 3:47



MTL - 3:32 to 4:11





Thoughts?
 
The way I see it, the MC will be able to be scooped to resemble the MTL. The MTL can't quite get the tone of the MC; so I'd always roll with the MC for better versatility.
But, if you don't need the ability to get more mids then 6/one half dozen........
 
I have said this before, and i am not trying to shit on anyone's amp, but the mcii is forgettable. It is so bland when played back to back with other wizards. No character.
 
MCII all day everyday. Not nearly as compressed sounding... More in your face.
 
Smashedguitaris⸸ said:
I have said this before, and i am not trying to shit on anyone's amp, but the mcii is forgettable. It is so bland when played back to back with other wizards. No character.
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I could say the same about the MTL from personal experience. It’s all subjective
 
Smashedguitaris⸸ said:
I have said this before, and i am not trying to shit on anyone's amp, but the mcii is forgettable. It is so bland when played back to back with other wizards. No character.
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Wow! I've never heard that said about any Wizard. Just that the flavors are slightly different; with different mids/gain levels. I've never played an MCII, just a 2010 MC1 that was a friggin monster. Liked that amp way more than the 2012 MTL.
 
Smashedguitaris⸸ said:
I have said this before, and i am not trying to shit on anyone's amp, but the mcii is forgettable. It is so bland when played back to back with other wizards. No character.
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That’s one hell of a take, lol. I’ve never heard anyone describe any Wizard as “forgettable and bland.”

You sure you weren't listening to a Crate with the logo knocked off and the word "Wizard" written in sharpie in its place?
 
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Smashedguitaris⸸ said:
I have said this before, and i am not trying to shit on anyone's amp, but the mcii is forgettable. It is so bland when played back to back with other wizards. No character.
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I’ve yet to hear a wizard clip that has really wow’d me in any way. These clips sound good, but then I listen to a bunch of other amps zen did, who is the best in the business, and I’m not taking the wizard
 
I can sort of see where Smashed is coming from. He’s talking I think just about it compared to other Wizard’s AB’ed in the room, not other amps that aren’t Wizards. It’s a higher standard of comparison where all the amps are at a certain level. I can see how with the Hell Razor, MTL, W800, and VC it can seem like a middle ground that isn’t really doing anything distinct vs the others, but maybe for some others that middle ground is just right for them. I haven’t tried those latter 2 models myself though. All I can say is that I don’t see a reason anymore for the MTL or MC series with the HR, at least with the MTL and MC I had
 
RaceU4her said:
I’ve yet to hear a wizard clip that has really wow’d me in any way. These clips sound good, but then I listen to a bunch of other amps zen did, who is the best in the business, and I’m not taking the wizard
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Shit. I have to retract. I am listening to my mgl and a mc2 right now. And the mcii is hanging
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RaceU4her said:
I’ve yet to hear a wizard clip that has really wow’d me in any way. These clips sound good, but then I listen to a bunch of other amps zen did, who is the best in the business, and I’m not taking the wizard
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....Aaand this is exactly why I sort of 'mock' the whole 'but teh CLIPZZZ' thing.......

If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times....if you're only going to judge an amplifier on how good a clip is, you're gonna completely miss the boat on some great amps.

Let's put it this way...you have some great amps, including a C+. Are there any truly 'GREAT' C+ clips out there? That make it heads and tails above other Marks?
No. There aren't any. But, you have one, and now understand how awesome the amp is.
See what I mean?
Sometimes, you have to take a chance on an amp that guys rave about, yet you can't find a good clip of.

This isn't in any way a criticism of guys and their recorded clips. It's great that there are many here who take the time, and record great examples of their amps.

But, a clip can only do so much, vs being in the room and really understanding what an amp can do.
 
Racerxrated said:
....Aaand this is exactly why I sort of 'mock' the whole 'but teh CLIPZZZ' thing.......

If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times....if you're only going to judge an amplifier on how good a clip is, you're gonna completely miss the boat on some great amps.

Let's put it this way...you have some great amps, including a C+. Are there any truly 'GREAT' C+ clips out there? That make it heads and tails above other Marks?
No. There aren't any. But, you have one, and now understand how awesome the amp is.
See what I mean?
Sometimes, you have to take a chance on an amp that guys rave about, yet you can't find a good clip of.

This isn't in any way a criticism of guys and their recorded clips. It's great that there are many here who take the time, and record great examples of their amps.

But, a clip can only do so much, vs being in the room and really understanding what an amp can do.
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I’ve bought many an amp based on trusted opinions over clips that have been meh, including the C+, Naylor, MTL..
 
Smashedguitaris⸸ said:
Shit. I have to retract. I am listening to my mgl and a mc2 right now. And the mcii is hangingView attachment 315717
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Amps are funny things. One day, Amp X sounds perfect and Amp Y sounds funny, and the next day it's the opposite.

That's kind of why I've never understood guys who only want one amp. Everybody should own at least a handful of their favorites. :D
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Amps are funny things. One day, Amp X sounds perfect and Amp Y sounds funny, and the next day it's the opposite.

That's kind of why I've never understood guys who only want one amp. Everybody should own at least a handful of their favorites. :D
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Because we broke and deep down want to get a be all end all amp ?
 
CrystalSky said:
Because we broke and deep down want to get a be all end all amp ?
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Unfortunately I think you're right.

I always feel sorry for those guys who say stuff like "man this amp has the PERFECT [type of sound] and I love it but it doesn't also do a perfect [other type of sound] so I have to sell it" because I know they're looking for the perfect Excalibur amp sent straight down from heaven, and they're never, ever going to find it. They're getting rid of a sound they love in the vain hope of finding that same sound in some other amp PLUS another perfect sound, and I've been around the block enough to know it just ain't gonna happen. But they stay on the amp merry go round, buying and selling and losing all kinds of money in the process, looking for something they're never going to find.

The moment I finally allowed myself to admit that no amp is perfect and can do everything, my gear obsession got a whole lot simpler and I got a lot happier.

Guitar gear suddenly got a lot more expensive (in the short term at least), but simpler. :D
I say expensive in the short term because while it's expensive buying a bunch of favorite amps initially, being able to avoid the buy/sell/buy/sell cycle is cheaper in the long run. AND you'll have more to show for it throughout the process.
 
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Racerxrated said:
....Aaand this is exactly why I sort of 'mock' the whole 'but teh CLIPZZZ' thing.......

If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times....if you're only going to judge an amplifier on how good a clip is, you're gonna completely miss the boat on some great amps.

Let's put it this way...you have some great amps, including a C+. Are there any truly 'GREAT' C+ clips out there? That make it heads and tails above other Marks?
No. There aren't any. But, you have one, and now understand how awesome the amp is.
See what I mean?
Sometimes, you have to take a chance on an amp that guys rave about, yet you can't find a good clip of.

This isn't in any way a criticism of guys and their recorded clips. It's great that there are many here who take the time, and record great examples of their amps.

But, a clip can only do so much, vs being in the room and really understanding what an amp can do.
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or... maybe i just dont dig the drier and open "wizard" thing i hear in most every clip, kind of like guys dont dig rectos or 5150s or whatever??
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Unfortunately I think you're right.

I always feel sorry for those guys who say stuff like "man this amp has the PERFECT [type of sound] and I love it but it doesn't also do a perfect [other type of sound] so I have to sell it" because I know they're looking for the perfect Excalibur amp sent straight down from heaven, and they're never, ever going to find it. They're getting rid of a sound they love in the vain hope of finding that same sound in some other amp PLUS another perfect sound, and I've been around the block enough to know it just ain't gonna happen. But they stay on the amp merry go round, buying and selling and losing all kinds of money in the process, looking for something they're never going to find.

The moment I finally allowed myself to admit that no amp is perfect and can do everything, my gear obsession got a whole lot simpler and I got a lot happier.

Guitar gear suddenly got a lot more expensive (in the short term at least), but simpler. :D
I say expensive in the short term because while it's expensive buying a bunch of favorite amps initially, being able to avoid the buy/sell/buy/sell cycle is cheaper in the long run. AND you'll have more to show for it throughout the process.
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I just want a Mk2c+ and I know that will be enough for me to be at peace ?

I mean if someone is gifting, I woul also like a Wizard too, MOAB, Cameron, Langner, MLC, Monomyth ?

Guitars are indeed a cool rabbit hole to dig in ?
 
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