Motor City Recommendation?

[aeroic]

I want to try a Bareknuckle Rebel Yell! Seems like it might be a very versatile LP set!

Dude...that's my favorite Passive set of pickups for a Les Paul or PRS style of guitar. That's what's loaded in my Warmoth PRS style guitar...and they just KILL.

Definitely one of my favorite pickups out there.

 

[richedie]

I want to try a Bareknuckle Rebel Yell! Seems like it might be a very versatile LP set!

Dude...that's my favorite Passive set of pickups for a Les Paul or PRS style of guitar. That's what's loaded in my Warmoth PRS style guitar...and they just KILL.

Definitely one of my favorite pickups out there.

Must be super expensive for us in the States since the exchange rate is so bad!

 

[richedie]

Eric, you and plenty of people have told me how good the Steve Stevens pickups are. Are they THAT much better than the 2nd degree blackbelt? I am finding I like medium PAFs in this LP....like the WCR Goodwood. Right now I have something similar to the Blissbucker with a Guitar Force Rebel Fire bridge(9.8k).

How about for a PRS CE-22? This is an Alder/maple top, maple bolt neck, rosewood board. This guitar needs warm pickups, and fat pickups for splitting. I am thinking Afwayus, Rebel Yell or some Guitar Force.

 

[aeroic]

Eric, you and plenty of people have told me how good the Steve Stevens pickups are. Are they THAT much better than the 2nd degree blackbelt? I am finding I like medium PAFs in this LP....like the WCR Goodwood. Right now I have something similar to the Blissbucker with a Guitar Force Rebel Fire bridge(9.8k).

How about for a PRS CE-22? This is an Alder/maple top, maple bolt neck, rosewood board. This guitar needs warm pickups, and fat pickups for splitting. I am thinking Afwayus, Rebel Yell or some Guitar Force.

can't comment on th 2nd degree black belts. But man. I've tried tons of pickups and these are by far are my favorites as far as passives are concerned. The stormy Mondays from bkp are killer too for a low output pickup. I really like the suhr ssh+ and ssv in my suhr pro modern also. Those have become my passives in my guitars. Have a set of aldrich pups coming in for the EBMM axis super sport I just picked up.

The rebel yells are my bar for passives anymore. I think I'd like the 2nd degree bbs too though.

 

[aeroic]

Eric, you and plenty of people have told me how good the Steve Stevens pickups are. Are they THAT much better than the 2nd degree blackbelt? I am finding I like medium PAFs in this LP....like the WCR Goodwood. Right now I have something similar to the Blissbucker with a Guitar Force Rebel Fire bridge(9.8k).

How about for a PRS CE-22? This is an Alder/maple top, maple bolt neck, rosewood board. This guitar needs warm pickups, and fat pickups for splitting. I am thinking Afwayus, Rebel Yell or some Guitar Force.

can't comment on th 2nd degree black belts. But man. I've tried tons of pickups and these are by far are my favorites as far as passives are concerned. The stormy Mondays from bkp are killer too for a low output pickup. I really like the suhr ssh+ and ssv in my suhr pro modern also. Those have become my passives in my guitars. Have a set of aldrich pups coming in for the EBMM axis super sport I just picked up.

The rebel yells are my bar for passives anymore. I think I'd like the 2nd degree bbs too though.

 

[richedie]

No longer a big afwayus fan?

 

[aeroic]

No longer a big afwayus fan?

still really like it but I prefer the rebel yells. Those are my favorite passives

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

Hey man, that is a good point, but I have tried some lower output pickups like Burstbuckers and PRS McCarty pickups, a Wolftone Marshallhead...but I tenf to come back to hotter pickups. However, Wade,s friend Kevin over at Guitar Force pickups mase me a 9.7k Rebel-Fire that sounds nice! I like hotter PAFs I guess. The Bill Lawrence pickups in my SG are 8.0K, not that the numbers mean everything.

Sweet!!...I have friends I did'nt know??!! .Rich, You may be interested in the WarCry humbucker- Plenty of heat, balanced and not thin or Boxy in the Mids- Although it does take a specially cut Ceramic Magnet, they clean up very well...The best being a small amount of grit on the cleans when the volume is rolled back- These can also be wound with an Alnico 5 magnet in mind if clean up is a nessesity

 

[jmgman69]

Hey man, that is a good point, but I have tried some lower output pickups like Burstbuckers and PRS McCarty pickups, a Wolftone Marshallhead...but I tenf to come back to hotter pickups. However, Wade,s friend Kevin over at Guitar Force pickups mase me a 9.7k Rebel-Fire that sounds nice! I like hotter PAFs I guess. The Bill Lawrence pickups in my SG are 8.0K, not that the numbers mean everything.

Sweet!!...I have friends I did'nt know??!! .Rich, You may be interested in the WarCry humbucker- Plenty of heat, balanced and not thin or Boxy in the Mids- Although it does take a specially cut Ceramic Magnet, they clean up very well...The best being a small amount of grit on the cleans when the volume is rolled back- These can also be wound with an Alnico 5 magnet in mind if clean up is a nessesity

What's up Wade?True about the WarCry's man,makes an SG CRANK,anothergreat discovery is the Nuke neck,absolutely the BEST neck I've EVER heard!Unbelievable!

 

[RockStarNick]

Numbers mean nothing if you don't know the gauge wire used. 42AWG (vintage) sounds WAY different tha 43 or 44. (smaller the number, thicker the copper wire).

Even though the resistance reading is the same, 10K of 42AWG will seem a lot louder and rude and ballsier than 10K of 43AWG.

Vintage 42AWG wire really can't be wound more than 10K on a normal bucker, due to pure physical size restrictions. Each wire guage has it's own "sweet spot" where it likes to be wound to, for optimum response.

More often than not, chances are if the pickup is 8K-10K, it's 42AWG. If it's 11-13K, it's 43AWG. If it's higher than that, it's 44AWG.

TO me, the smaller the AWG, the more compressed and squishy the pickup sounds. That's why I love 42AWG wire. Sounds really open, immediate, woody, but can be wound hotter to get the bark and bite.

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

Wuzzzup! Ja bird!! LOL...The Nuke Neck is the fastest of all neck humnbuckers!! Wheres a M4 carbine when you need one anyway!!! Can we get some new guns on the smilies!!

 

[jmgman69]

Wuzzzup! Ja bird!! LOL...The Nuke Neck is the fastest of all neck humnbuckers!! Wheres a M4 carbine when you need one anyway!!! Can we get some new guns on the smilies!!

I need to call you soon

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

Yeah, you do!! The A2, A3 Version of the BlackBelt series is complete- The A2 took the longest, but that was because of the magnet which are mouth watering good- Can you say an American Product!!LOL

 

[jmgman69]

Yeah, you do!! The A2, A3 Version of the BlackBelt series is complete- The A2 took the longest, but that was because of the magnet which are mouth watering good- Can you say an American Product!!LOL

 

[blumuz123]

Numbers mean nothing if you don't know the gauge wire used. 42AWG (vintage) sounds WAY different tha 43 or 44. (smaller the number, thicker the copper wire).

Even though the resistance reading is the same, 10K of 42AWG will seem a lot louder and rude and ballsier than 10K of 43AWG.

Vintage 42AWG wire really can't be wound more than 10K on a normal bucker, due to pure physical size restrictions. Each wire guage has it's own "sweet spot" where it likes to be wound to, for optimum response.

More often than not, chances are if the pickup is 8K-10K, it's 42AWG. If it's 11-13K, it's 43AWG. If it's higher than that, it's 44AWG.

TO me, the smaller the AWG, the more compressed and squishy the pickup sounds. That's why I love 42AWG wire. Sounds really open, immediate, woody, but can be wound hotter to get the bark and bite.

So.. I am looking to get p-90's for my gretsch projet low to med output what would you recomend the PU specs be?

 

[richedie]

Yes, good points.....but I also know a 42AWG can also sound big and ballsy. I think my GF RebelFire and the WCR Godwood as well is ballsy. Heck, even my Burstbuker Pros were very ballsy. So, I think there are no hard and fast rules.

However, the Rebel Yells have me interested. Typically I like pickups in the 12-14k range assuming they don't lose clarity or an organic nature, Ha.

Wade, sorry man....I had Kevin's friend confused with someone else(you)!

I should mention I have the stock Bill Lawrence "The Original" humbuckers in my 1989 SG and they sound sweet but the lows are really sloppy. Maybe this is the guitar, not the pickups.

JASON, with regards to this latest development in the conversation...do you find the Black Belt enough for hard rock????

Numbers mean nothing if you don't know the gauge wire used. 42AWG (vintage) sounds WAY different tha 43 or 44. (smaller the number, thicker the copper wire).

Even though the resistance reading is the same, 10K of 42AWG will seem a lot louder and rude and ballsier than 10K of 43AWG.

Vintage 42AWG wire really can't be wound more than 10K on a normal bucker, due to pure physical size restrictions. Each wire guage has it's own "sweet spot" where it likes to be wound to, for optimum response.

More often than not, chances are if the pickup is 8K-10K, it's 42AWG. If it's 11-13K, it's 43AWG. If it's higher than that, it's 44AWG.

TO me, the smaller the AWG, the more compressed and squishy the pickup sounds. That's why I love 42AWG wire. Sounds really open, immediate, woody, but can be wound hotter to get the bark and bite.

 

[MichaelG]

I'm not Jason, but yeah, the 2nd Degree Blackbelt does hard rock and classic metal VERY well. I don't have Rebel-yell experience so I can't give you a comparison, but I think these 2 pickups might be different flavours of the same sort of thing. The Rebel-yell sounds like a hotter pickup, but let me tell you, for a beefed up PAF, the Blackbelt REALLY screams. It's just got a beautiful wide-open tone that makes rythyms sound great and leads really sing.

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

I'm not Jason, but yeah, the 2nd Degree Blackbelt does hard rock and classic metal VERY well. I don't have Rebel-yell experience so I can't give you a comparison, but I think these 2 pickups might be different flavours of the same sort of thing. The Rebel-yell sounds like a hotter pickup, but let me tell you, for a beefed up PAF, the Blackbelt REALLY screams. It's just got a beautiful wide-open tone that makes rythyms sound great and leads really sing.

I should also add, Jerry Cantrell has 7 of them so yes, they do metal very well. He also has the New Afwayu's - I believe 5. Actually, every guitar has the cept for the SG, which he only uses on one song on the set list live right now...Go see AIC live, They will be back through on another tour in the U.S..

 

[se7en]

I'm not Jason, but yeah, the 2nd Degree Blackbelt does hard rock and classic metal VERY well. I don't have Rebel-yell experience so I can't give you a comparison, but I think these 2 pickups might be different flavours of the same sort of thing. The Rebel-yell sounds like a hotter pickup, but let me tell you, for a beefed up PAF, the Blackbelt REALLY screams. It's just got a beautiful wide-open tone that makes rythyms sound great and leads really sing.

I should also add, Jerry Cantrell has 7 of them so yes, they do metal very well. He also has the New Afwayu's - I believe 5. Actually, every guitar has the cept for the SG, which he only uses on one song on the set list live right now...Go see AIC live, They will be back through on another tour in the U.S..

He's using the 2nd Degree Blackbelts and the Afwayu's in every guitar?

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

I'm not Jason, but yeah, the 2nd Degree Blackbelt does hard rock and classic metal VERY well. I don't have Rebel-yell experience so I can't give you a comparison, but I think these 2 pickups might be different flavours of the same sort of thing. The Rebel-yell sounds like a hotter pickup, but let me tell you, for a beefed up PAF, the Blackbelt REALLY screams. It's just got a beautiful wide-open tone that makes rythyms sound great and leads really sing.

I should also add, Jerry Cantrell has 7 of them so yes, they do metal very well. He also has the New Afwayu's - I believe 5. Actually, every guitar has the cept for the SG, which he only uses on one song on the set list live right now...Go see AIC live, They will be back through on another tour in the U.S..

He's using the 2nd Degree Blackbelts and the Afwayu's in every guitar?

Well, The his G&L Rampages are not Alder like the site describes, they are in fact Solid Maple body's with one pickup and he has multiple that look almost identical- You can tell the difference as one has an American flag on the face, and the other does not- @ have Afwayu Bridges, 2 have BlackBelts- Customs have BlackBelts in the Bridge positions (2 with Afwayu's)- Jerry Never uses Neck positions...