NAD: Bogner Snorkler 50

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OldGtrGuy said:
I couldn't ever do max presence on that amp. Definitely like it very high but after 75% or so the sizzle gets a bit insane.

One thing I really liked about the amp is while it always has it's "core tone" you can shape it endlessly. Definitely some heavy stoner fuzz type to the absolute crushing zero mid OSDM that id never use but yes also it can be very present.

I've said it a bunch of times already but to me it's essentially a perfect amp. It could stand to get tighter and Definitely needs a "faster response" and a built in gate imo.
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Yeah Uber EQ controls are a bit weird. I didn't prefer the presence that high either from what I remember, but needed it higher than on my Rev 1 Uber. I agree with all that. The amp could get very cutting and be shaped to work for such a broad range of styles, but the filtered, cardboard-y quality to the sound just for me ruined it. For tighter and faster I'd say the Hell Razor, Hermansson or Dorado, but all pricy or tough to come by
 
braintheory said:
Yeah Uber EQ controls are a bit weird. I didn't prefer the presence that high either from what I remember, but needed it higher than on my Rev 1 Uber. I agree with all that. The amp could get very cutting and be shaped to work for such a broad range of styles, but the filtered, cardboard-y quality to the sound just for me ruined it. For tighter and faster I'd say the Hell Razor, Hermansson or Dorado, but all pricy or tough to come by
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The Wizard is really the only thing left on my must try before I die list.

Hellrazer would be amazing but I would not be upset to be able to try a MC or MTL either.
 
MetalHeadMike said:
Yeah, I like our discussions. You are in tune with many of the nuances and adjectives I am and we tend to dive deeper than many in that regard. Not only are we filthy gear whores but snobs too...LOL! I'm like that with many other things, just my nature. Using beer as another example...put a can of domestic beer in front of me and I'd sooner dump it down the toilet than put it to my lips...LOL!!!

I get you on the 3D/complex aspect. Many of the new amps are sterile/2D in that respect but like you said, there are fortunately some new builders getting it right. Yes!!! tight, razor sharp attack...that's how I like them but they do need some warmth otherwise its just not musical and very uninspiring.
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Lol I never was a beer guy, but I did appreciate how much better it was when I was in Milwaukee (at least in some places). Not great in NY

Yeah for most modern metal I like it tight and sharp, but still organic and inspiring in tone. A few of my keepers amps can deliver for that. Most of these recent made pedals as boosts are even worse for me with the qualities I don't like. For almost 6 years now, I've been through almost 200 different boost type pedals and still mostly just used the Klon the whole time
 
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OldGtrGuy said:
I couldn't ever do max presence on that amp. Definitely like it very high but after 75% or so the sizzle gets a bit insane.

One thing I really liked about the amp is while it always has it's "core tone" you can shape it endlessly. Definitely some heavy stoner fuzz type to the absolute crushing zero mid OSDM that id never use but yes also it can be very present.

I've said it a bunch of times already but to me it's essentially a perfect amp. It could stand to get tighter and Definitely needs a "faster response" and a built in gate imo.
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Yeah I'm sure my ears are fucked. I run treble and presence stupid high to max on all amps. I just love that sizzle and the clarity and articulation it brings. Anything less sound dull, dark, and muffled to my ragged old ears.

Tighter and faster, really...are you talking straight in? I feel its one of the tightest/fastest amps straight in but I'll admit I do boost mine on certain settings. Try a Fortin TS9 into the Uber mode.
 
MetalHeadMike said:
Yeah I'm sure my ears are fucked. I run treble and presence stupid high to max on all amps. I just love that sizzle and the clarity and articulation it brings. Anything less sound dull, dark, and muffled to my ragged old ears.

Tighter and faster, really...are you talking straight in? I feel its one of the tightest/fastest amps straight in but I'll admit I do boost mine on certain settings. Try a Fortin TS9 into the Uber mode.
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Yeah I preferred straight in on that amp but I only had an sd1 and 808
 
MrWoodchuck said:
I go through every setting here:
I was personally never able to get rid of the filtered eq voice it has. You can definitely open it up rolling the density all the way counterclockwise but it still has that filter to it.

Here is a full mix of the amp I made as well. It sounds good in a mix because I consider it a very mix ready amp. It just is not very organic or alive sounding compared to the rev green.
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Mix sounds pretty good! I've always wanted to get a guitar dedicated for drop tunings so I can jam every album from KsE lol
 
MetalHeadMike said:
Yeah I'm sure my ears are fucked. I run treble and presence stupid high to max on all amps. I just love that sizzle and the clarity and articulation it brings. Anything less sound dull, dark, and muffled to my ragged old ears.

Tighter and faster, really...are you talking straight in? I feel it’s one of the tightest/fastest amps straight in but I'll admit I do boost mine on certain settings. Try a Fortin TS9 into the Uber mode.
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when you listen to decent studio monitors (at ear level, decent setup) does a flat frequency response seem “bright” to you?

My high frequency hearing is decent and a I like to shelf down high frequencies because it seems too bright
 
B. Ste said:
Awesome tones there. How would you say it compares to the 20thA shiva?
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I like mine much more than I remember liking that amp. I remember the 20thA Shiva being more smooth, polite and not as raw, gritty, organic or upfront/in your face, but from what I recall may have had more gain on tap and a bit more modern in direction. This Snorkler along with the early Uber’s and Caveman IME is Bogner at its best
 
Faded Abyss said:
when you listen to decent studio monitors (at ear level, decent setup) does a flat frequency response seem “bright” to you?

My high frequency hearing is decent and a I like to shelf down high frequencies because it seems too bright
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I don't listen to studio monitors so not sure there. Talking sitting in front of my amps/cabs.
 
MrWoodchuck said:
I go through every setting here:
I was personally never able to get rid of the filtered eq voice it has. You can definitely open it up rolling the density all the way counterclockwise but it still has that filter to it.

Here is a full mix of the amp I made as well. It sounds good in a mix because I consider it a very mix ready amp. It just is not very organic or alive sounding compared to the rev green.
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That's where it shines IMO, density off. Maybe very minimal if anything. It was how I got it as tight or having as fast as a response as I could get.
 
sloanthebone said:
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Yeah man that sounds great.

Interesting differences in guitars for me. Assuming that's a GL Rampage or whatever, I think it suits the amp better. Personally I prefer more modern/chuggy tones which maybe the Les Paul does better but I think the Rampage fits the amp better.

Used to think the JJ was king for these tones but now idk this Bogner seems pretty amazing.
 
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Unfortunately for my wallet, I got on the waiting list for one of these. Sounds incredible. Seems to capture the “karang”
 
I’m def hearing 20th shiva similarities in the clips so far. I did not find the 20th to be smooth, it was very aggressive and grainy sounding. But it lacked lowend, was a honky sounding amp in my experience. Lowend was also a bit woolly/fuzzy which I didn’t care for. With all that being said I liked the grind it has , had a cool open and pissed off thing going on.
 
My bogner classic modded for Butler from Tone merchants I bought several years ago does the Zombie educated horses really well.
 
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