NAD: Bogner Snorkler 50

MrWoodchuck said:
I go through every setting here:
I was personally never able to get rid of the filtered eq voice it has. You can definitely open it up rolling the density all the way counterclockwise but it still has that filter to it.

Here is a full mix of the amp I made as well. It sounds good in a mix because I consider it a very mix ready amp. It just is not very organic or alive sounding compared to the rev green.
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That's where it shines IMO, density off. Maybe very minimal if anything. It was how I got it as tight or having as fast as a response as I could get.
 
sloanthebone said:
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Yeah man that sounds great.

Interesting differences in guitars for me. Assuming that's a GL Rampage or whatever, I think it suits the amp better. Personally I prefer more modern/chuggy tones which maybe the Les Paul does better but I think the Rampage fits the amp better.

Used to think the JJ was king for these tones but now idk this Bogner seems pretty amazing.
 
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I’m def hearing 20th shiva similarities in the clips so far. I did not find the 20th to be smooth, it was very aggressive and grainy sounding. But it lacked lowend, was a honky sounding amp in my experience. Lowend was also a bit woolly/fuzzy which I didn’t care for. With all that being said I liked the grind it has , had a cool open and pissed off thing going on.
 
My bogner classic modded for Butler from Tone merchants I bought several years ago does the Zombie educated horses really well.
 
the4thlast1 said:
I’m def hearing 20th shiva similarities in the clips so far. I did not find the 20th to be smooth, it was very aggressive and grainy sounding. But it lacked lowend, was a honky sounding amp in my experience. Lowend was also a bit woolly/fuzzy which I didn’t care for. With all that being said I liked the grind it has , had a cool open and pissed off thing going on.
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It’s really quite different from my limited experience. I a/b’d the snorkler and my very early 20th shiva yesterday. Single notes: shiva is fatter and thicker. Snorkler is more sharp (like an 800). Shiva is a fatter, thicker, saggier feeling amp in general where the Snorkler is sharper, more up front and more aggressive. The shiva is such a fun amp to play and just feels incredible for anything short of aggressive metal/rock. It’s like a Marshall that was modded to be more soulful where the Snorkler is a Marshall that was modded to be aggressive and cutting
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
It’s really quite different from my limited experience. I a/b’d the snorkler and my very early 20th shiva yesterday. Single notes: shiva is fatter and thicker. Snorkler is more sharp (like an 800). Shiva is a fatter, thicker, saggier feeling amp in general where the Snorkler is sharper, more up front and more aggressive. The shiva is such a fun amp to play and just feels incredible for anything short of aggressive metal/rock. It’s like a Marshall that was modded to be more soulful where the Snorkler is a Marshall that was modded to be aggressive and cutting
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Cool, I’m hoping that it is its own thing all together and has more clarity in the lowend.
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
It’s really quite different from my limited experience. I a/b’d the snorkler and my very early 20th shiva yesterday. Single notes: shiva is fatter and thicker. Snorkler is more sharp (like an 800). Shiva is a fatter, thicker, saggier feeling amp in general where the Snorkler is sharper, more up front and more aggressive. The shiva is such a fun amp to play and just feels incredible for anything short of aggressive metal/rock. It’s like a Marshall that was modded to be more soulful where the Snorkler is a Marshall that was modded to be aggressive and cutting
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I agree with most of that, but can get my Snorkler to be pretty thick too. The main thing for me is the Snorkler sounds to me pretty organic, raw (thankfully) and the Shiva 20thA, while it’s nowhere near as processed sounding like an Engl or anything, imo at least was to me was closer to that side of the spectrum when I compared it to a Helios and Cameron modded Marshall I had at the time sounding a lot more organic/real comparatively. The Shiva 20thA when I AB’ed I felt was a bit muted or dead (in response) when compared with those amps. For that reason I actually interpret it as a less soulful sound, but maybe it’s just semantic differences in describing sounds
 
the4thlast1 said:
I’m def hearing 20th shiva similarities in the clips so far. I did not find the 20th to be smooth, it was very aggressive and grainy sounding. But it lacked lowend, was a honky sounding amp in my experience. Lowend was also a bit woolly/fuzzy which I didn’t care for. With all that being said I liked the grind it has , had a cool open and pissed off thing going on.
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Yeah a lot that description matches this Snorkler to me, but I didn’t find the Shiva 20th to be much like this amp and certainly at least very different in feel/response and rawness/organic-ness is tone quality, but they do both have the signature Bogner low mid chewy quality going on. To me the Snorkler has it best of any Bogner I’ve tried so far

I will say if you want a very deep low end you may not like this amp, but I don’t find the low end lacking for most styles outside modern metal. Overall the Shiva 20th could be quite aggressive, but found its powerchords overall sounded smoother and flatter to me when I AB’ed it with a Helios, Telos and Cameron Jose modded Marshall I had at the time, but of course that was some steep competition for the amp to be compared with
 
OldGtrGuy said:
Yeah man that sounds great.

Interesting differences in guitars for me. Assuming that's a GL Rampage or whatever, I think it suits the amp better. Personally I prefer more modern/chuggy tones which maybe the Les Paul does better but I think the Rampage fits the amp better.

Used to think the JJ was king for these tones but now idk this Bogner seems pretty amazing.
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This smokes the JJ from my experience playing those. The JJ iirc had deeper low end and headroom from its 100w powersection, but otherwise this amp outclassed it to me in almost every other way I can think of
 
braintheory said:
Yeah a lot that description matches this Snorkler to me, but I didn’t find the Shiva 20th to be much like this amp and certainly at least very different in feel/response and rawness/organic-ness is tone quality, but they do both have the signature Bogner low mid chewy quality going on. To me the Snorkler has it best of any Bogner I’ve tried so far

I will say if you want a very deep low end you may not like this amp, but I don’t find the low end lacking for most styles outside modern metal. Overall the Shiva 20th could be quite aggressive, but found its powerchords overall sounded smoother and flatter to me when I AB’ed it with a Helios, Telos and Cameron Jose modded Marshall I had at the time, but of course that was some steep competition for the amp to be compared with
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Yes they should do a 100w Snorkler in the near future just for the extra sonic footprint. It’s not a small sounding amp, but I wouldn’t call it big sounding. The amp itself is physically tiny too I just noticed when I took the back off yesterday
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
Yes they should do a 100w Snorkler in the near future just for the extra sonic footprint. It’s not a small sounding amp, but I wouldn’t call it big sounding. The amp itself is physically tiny too I just noticed when I took the back off yesterday
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Yeah it’s a small amp and weighs somewhere in the mid 30’s iirc. A 100w version would be cool, but for 50w it’s pretty good imo. It sounds bigger than many modded 50w Marshall’s I had and got 498 for PV when I measured. I’d think maybe the 50w plays well to its midrange and chewiness. My Caveman is also 50w

I like also that the bias pot is external. All amps should be that way
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
Yes they should do a 100w Snorkler in the near future just for the extra sonic footprint. It’s not a small sounding amp, but I wouldn’t call it big sounding. The amp itself is physically tiny too I just noticed when I took the back off yesterday
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Agreed. It’s not “big” but it’s “thick.” (There’s a joke in there somewhere…) I would describe it as “notched” or “pre-mixed.” It sits perfectly in a hard rock mix, kind of like the AFD100 does.
 
braintheory said:
Yeah it’s a small amp and weighs somewhere in the mid 30’s iirc. A 100w version would be cool, but for 50w it’s pretty good imo. It sounds bigger than many modded 50w Marshall’s I had and got 498 for PV when I measured. I’d think maybe the 50w plays well to its midrange and chewiness. My Caveman is also 50w

I like also that the bias pot is external. All amps should be that way
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I could totally see some magic being lost in a 100w version. Or it could just be a monster. Reality is …like most of these situations, it would probably just end up being its own thing
 
hellzington said:
Agreed. It’s not “big” but it’s “thick.” (There’s a joke in there somewhere…) I would describe it as “notched” or “pre-mixed.” It sits perfectly in a hard rock mix, kind of like the AFD100 does.
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Was looking forward to finding that out today and then practice gets canceled 😢
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
I could totally see some magic being lost in a 100w version. Or it could just be a monster. Reality is …like most of these situations, it would probably just end up being its own thing
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It would definitely intrigue me. The 100w Bogner blue board modded ‘85 JCM800 2203 I had sounded bigger with deeper, more extended lows, but a decent amount of my other 100w amps sounded bigger still and I like the tone and feel more of this Snorkler. It’s more growly, rich, chewy and feels greasier. I just love this Snorkler and have been playing around with some different vintage tubes and bias settings
 
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