natas or hagen???

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I have not owned either one, but from the clips I've heard, the NATAS is one of the more wickedly unique voiced modern amps I've heard
The Hagen was fantastic, but more like some other stuff out there. If you were to listen to both of them, I am pretty sure the Natas would be the one you could pick out easily in a clip gunfight where you were not told what you were listening to ;)
They are both great sounding amps for sure
 
Get the one that won't get buried in the mix. :D

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narad":1vsa18g0 said:
The NATAS clips have had this nasty chirp to them - like in the one posted in this thread. No one else has mentioned it but it drives me nuts. I'd go Herbert with 6550s + Hagen with EL-34s!

Maybe you have a bird stuck in your head? :confused: :D


In all seriousness, if the Hagen is even remotely like a Herbert then I would have to say Natas by a landslide. I owned a Herbert and the Natas that Mike loaned me destroyed it in every way. So does the EP which is pretty damn close to a Natas. However, I have not played a Hagen so I am not sure if it actually is like a Herbert. It could be totally different.
 
i cant say i have heard either in person, and while i know sound clips dont give a true representation of what an amp is capable of, from the clips i have heard the natas would be my vote
 
Gainfreak":3jhz4s9v said:
Shiny_Surface":3jhz4s9v said:
duesentrieb":3jhz4s9v said:

That's a cool $8K right there isn't it? :lol: :LOL:
It's easier to spend somone elses money hahahaha :D

With that said, Ive never played the Hagen but I love Pete and his amplifiers, so to answer the question in a serious manner, I don't think that you could go wrong with either.

and a word to squank, The NATAS is pretty freaking flexible. It is not a one trick Pony. I just figured that id say that since I don't want people thinking that the NATAS isn't flexible, because it is ;)
Hey, no dis to the Natas from me. I didn't say it was a one trick pony, because, as you mentioned, it's not.

I just found the Hagan to be more flexible than the Natas, at least for my purposes. Fortin makes a great amp, that's for sure.
 
The Natas is billed as the ultimate metal machine so it does get billed as a one trick pony but it is far from that. The headroom of the clean channel will make people vomit from the volumes and it is quite the 80s thrash machine as well. Super input selective and touch sensitive.


I love what I have heard from the Hagan and see people smoking their beloved Herberts to get them, IMO I would too.

Both are great amps and would love to own both.
 
killertone":2vj5n5v2 said:
narad":2vj5n5v2 said:
The NATAS clips have had this nasty chirp to them - like in the one posted in this thread. No one else has mentioned it but it drives me nuts. I'd go Herbert with 6550s + Hagen with EL-34s!

Maybe you have a bird stuck in your head? :confused: :D


In all seriousness, if the Hagen is even remotely like a Herbert then I would have to say Natas by a landslide. I owned a Herbert and the Natas that Mike loaned me destroyed it in every way. So does the EP which is pretty damn close to a Natas. However, I have not played a Hagen so I am not sure if it actually is like a Herbert. It could be totally different.


Diezel hater. Diezel hater.

Fanboy's......GET HIM.
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squank":3u50p1ql said:
Gainfreak":3u50p1ql said:
Shiny_Surface":3u50p1ql said:
duesentrieb":3u50p1ql said:

That's a cool $8K right there isn't it? :lol: :LOL:
It's easier to spend somone elses money hahahaha :D

With that said, Ive never played the Hagen but I love Pete and his amplifiers, so to answer the question in a serious manner, I don't think that you could go wrong with either.

and a word to squank, The NATAS is pretty freaking flexible. It is not a one trick Pony. I just figured that id say that since I don't want people thinking that the NATAS isn't flexible, because it is ;)
Hey, no dis to the Natas from me. I didn't say it was a one trick pony, because, as you mentioned, it's not.

I just found the Hagan to be more flexible than the Natas, at least for my purposes. Fortin makes a great amp, that's for sure.

It's obvious I'd pick the Natas, because I currently own one, but it's silly to say if an amp is flexible or not when you've never played it... There are only two completed Natas amps in the world; Digital Jams owns #1 and I own #2.

From the clips so far, the Hagen sounds pretty darned awesome. Peter does great work as well, and delivers in spades in the customer service department.

No amp in existence sounds like the Natas; it implements several proprietary design aspects never used in guitar amplification, and it truly does have more headroom than any other amp I've ever heard. I had the Natas in the room with the master volume around 2 o clock, and it ate my 5150 III alive when the master was literally dimed.

I will be putting up some more Natas clips in the very near future to show what this amp is capable of.
 
lolzgreg":fyd62qco said:
squank":fyd62qco said:
Gainfreak":fyd62qco said:
Shiny_Surface":fyd62qco said:
duesentrieb":fyd62qco said:

That's a cool $8K right there isn't it? :lol: :LOL:
It's easier to spend somone elses money hahahaha :D

With that said, Ive never played the Hagen but I love Pete and his amplifiers, so to answer the question in a serious manner, I don't think that you could go wrong with either.

and a word to squank, The NATAS is pretty freaking flexible. It is not a one trick Pony. I just figured that id say that since I don't want people thinking that the NATAS isn't flexible, because it is ;)
Hey, no dis to the Natas from me. I didn't say it was a one trick pony, because, as you mentioned, it's not.

I just found the Hagan to be more flexible than the Natas, at least for my purposes. Fortin makes a great amp, that's for sure.

It's obvious I'd pick the Natas, because I currently own one, but it's silly to say if an amp is flexible or not when you've never played it... There are only two completed Natas amps in the world; Digital Jams owns #1 and I own #2.

From the clips so far, the Hagen sounds pretty darned awesome. Peter does great work as well, and delivers in spades in the customer service department.

No amp in existence sounds like the Natas; it implements several proprietary design aspects never used in guitar amplification, and it truly does have more headroom than any other amp I've ever heard. I had the Natas in the room with the master volume around 2 o clock, and it ate my 5150 III alive when the master was literally dimed.

I will be putting up some more Natas clips in the very near future to show what this amp is capable of.
Man, I'm doing everything I can NOT to be critical of the Natas, but you're forcing my hand here...

I don't have to play an amp to be aware that it's only got 2 channels.

When deciding on the next amp I was going to buy, I took into account that I plan on gigging with it. Given the option of a 4 ch amp (Hagan) vs a 2 ch amp (Natas), I can confidently say the 4 ch amp will be more flexible for my needs.
 
Would you really spend your money based on our opinion? :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

My Hagen is inbound. You won't go wrong with Diezel. But there are limited clips for you to make an assessment.

Mike Fortin is incredible on the work bench and has an awesome deep freeze that I have dibs on :lol: :LOL: He is the one builder (well, one of a few) with original ideas on a vintage circuit and can sculpt you a tone that is as good as you try and describe to him. I have owned a Bones and still own two of his mods and would certainly have no problem owning more from Mike. If he was into cars, he could start out with a Hyindai and build you a Lexus with the only thing stock being the chassis and steering wheel :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

The Natas is looking to be the pinnacle of Mike's work to date and you damn sure won't go wrong with it either.

Hagen spelled backwards is "Negah"
 
Shiny_Surface":3ha9ulxt said:
duesentrieb":3ha9ulxt said:

That's a cool $8K right there isn't it? :lol: :LOL:
Sure, Shiny, but when you buy a car, 4k difference isn't really that much.

I'm not helpful in any way, I know.
My problem, if I had to make the choice, would be that I like these two guys (the builders) too much to decide between them.
 
duesentrieb":1kd1rka0 said:
My problem, if I had to make the choice, would be that I like these two guys (the builders) too much to decide between them.

I think its best to go with what your ears and fingers tell you, casting aside personal feelings and relationships with the builders when choosing an amp. We're all grown men here......
 
squank":2khzsd4o said:
Gainfreak":2khzsd4o said:
Shiny_Surface":2khzsd4o said:
duesentrieb":2khzsd4o said:

That's a cool $8K right there isn't it? :lol: :LOL:
It's easier to spend somone elses money hahahaha :D

With that said, Ive never played the Hagen but I love Pete and his amplifiers, so to answer the question in a serious manner, I don't think that you could go wrong with either.

and a word to squank, The NATAS is pretty freaking flexible. It is not a one trick Pony. I just figured that id say that since I don't want people thinking that the NATAS isn't flexible, because it is ;)
Hey, no dis to the Natas from me. I didn't say it was a one trick pony, because, as you mentioned, it's not.

I just found the Hagan to be more flexible than the Natas, at least for my purposes. Fortin makes a great amp, that's for sure.

Oh, I totally understand and thanks for the reply!!

I only said what I said because I know how these forums work. Someone will read into what you were saying and twist it around and say that the NATAS isn't a flexable amp. I just wanted to clear that up !! Congrats with the Diezel!! Like I said before I absolutely Love Peter and his amps!! :rock:

All the best!

Ralph
 
Rezamatix":15s1z7kd said:
I REALLY like what I heard with the Natas, but I just knew what I would be getting with the Diezel. It was easier to pick since I have owned a vh4 for 2 years now. I have played a Herbert and I think there are some awesome sounds in it, but I really think the Hagen is better described as a VH4 on steroids with a little bit of that Herbert gainy saturation. The VH4 was REALLY dry and tight, the Hagen can do that, but it has this MORE to it...more gain, a convincing difference in the gain structure, some REALLY chewy mids, some would say its looser, but its still really tight. It just breathes differently, has a little bit of that Herbert WHOMP factor but the low end stays really defined. I played ALOT of amps this last year...and I have heard ALOT of clips...as much as the Natas sounds like an ultimate metal monster, the Hagen is right there.... its like racing a ferrari and a lamborghini. To me the Hagen is the ferrari. If you know anything about those cars then the analogy is complete.

I don't know anything about ferraris or lambos so I don't get that. :no: :D

I do however really want to play a Hagen based on what you just said. I know Diezel makes a killer amp, no doubt, I have been waiting for them to build one that really jives with my playing style. :thumbsup:
 
With only 2 Natas' with the actual production OT having made it out and the Hagen just making it out there I'd bet at this point no one has played both amps. That said, from the clips I've heard these amps seem to be voiced VERY, VERY differently. Having owned a VH4 & Herbert in the past and currently a Cali, I'd also be willing to bet they feel equally different in terms of attack & response. From my experience & talking with others, there is a certain openness and immediateness in Mike's amps. Whereas, the Diezels have a bit more compression going on. Different strokes....If you can't play before you buy my $.02 is, figure out which voicing peaks your interest most & then talk to some owners & see if you can get an idea of the feel & response of that amp. Far from perfect since nothing can take the place of playing the amp, but at least the amps sound different enough from what I've heard that you should be able to figure out which voicing floats your boat a little better.
 
steve_k":s5wakpsb said:
Hagen spelled backwards is "Negah"

I'm getting Al Sharpton on the phone now. :lol: :LOL:


Also, I'm going to go with the Axe-Fx 3 over the POD HD9000. More tones and flexibility for sure.
 
Gainfreak":2bzltdsn said:
Oh, I totally understand and thanks for the reply!!

I only said what I said because I know how these forums work. Someone will read into what you were saying and twist it around and say that the NATAS isn't a flexable amp. I just wanted to clear that up !! Congrats with the Diezel!! Like I said before I absolutely Love Peter and his amps!! :rock:

All the best!

Ralph

Thanks, man. I see your point.

I do apologize if my comments left that impression. The truth is that I would love to own both amps. Maybe someday!

Bill
 
killertone":11rn37v9 said:
In all seriousness, if the Hagen is even remotely like a Herbert then I would have to say Natas by a landslide. I owned a Herbert and the Natas that Mike loaned me destroyed it in every way.
I know a good psyche if you care dig deep.

BTW - Herbert has some knobs you might want to become familiar with.

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