New CCV with Winged C 34's ?

[espquade]

Hey Brad ,

Due to the price of the S.E.D . Winged C EL34's skyrocketing over the past few months will this still be the tube of choice used in the CCV's , as I believe that was Mark's power tube of choice ??? or will you be using something else due to the price these tubes are now ?

Thanks

 

[King Guitar]

Hey Brad ,

Due to the price of the S.E.D . Winged C EL34's skyrocketing over the past few months will this still be the tube of choice used in the CCV's , as I believe that was Mark's power tube of choice ??? or will you be using something else due to the price these tubes are now ?

Thanks

We are still sourcing but I think we will be going with JJ's as I can get them reliably and they sound good.

 

[steve_k]

Hey Brad ,

Due to the price of the S.E.D . Winged C EL34's skyrocketing over the past few months will this still be the tube of choice used in the CCV's , as I believe that was Mark's power tube of choice ??? or will you be using something else due to the price these tubes are now ?

Thanks

We are still sourcing but I think we will be going with JJ's as I can get them reliably and they sound good.

There's not a lot of choice for 34's that will stay together with the plate voltages that amp puts out. JJE34L, SED's, Ruby BHT's.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

I'm not an EL34 guy but..I do kinda like the JJ E34L

sed=$150.00 a quad.. JJE34L= $59.00 a quad...Hmm??

 

[steve_k]

Well, the design team will have to lower the voltages a bit for the EL34 JJ's, as they won't last very long in the amp. The 34L will take it, but my experience with JJ's is that they throw a blanket over the mids and immediately darken the amp up. They can voice the amp around it though. In terms of profit margin, certainly JJ's or even Svetlana's are the way to go. The Ruby BHT is the same design as a Winged C for less half the price and is another alternative. I know I am looking for an SED alternative. That last price hike pissed me right the hell off. I may have to lock the 3 new quads in the safe before long....

SK

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

the chinese tubes sure feel nice to play, but they don't sound like SEDs.


anybody with half a brain will put SEDs in there anyways, might as well bump the price up a hundred and ship with SEDs.

 

[Hollywood]

the chinese tubes sure feel nice to play, but they don't sound like SEDs.


anybody with half a brain will put SEDs in there anyways, might as well bump the price up a hundred and ship with SEDs.

I'm with you. There is no other tube that will do what the SED'S will do. Then again, I agree with Brad about that last price increase being insulting.....

 

[LP Freak]

Uhhh....how 'bout making the SED's an optional upcharge?

 

[Hollywood]

There's a good idea. Bogner does that. Mostly they do this when an amp say comes back in with an issue and it was running those JJ e34Ls they normally run.
Then they suggest going to the SED's.. .according to Charlie at Bogner.
I talked with Charlie over at Bogner this afternoon. One of the best guys in the amp business.
I really like talking to that guy.
According to Steve/JJB, Charlie is an awesome guitar player also.

 

[King Guitar]

Well, the design team will have to lower the voltages a bit for the EL34 JJ's, as they won't last very long in the amp. The 34L will take it, but my experience with JJ's is that they throw a blanket over the mids and immediately darken the amp up. They can voice the amp around it though. In terms of profit margin, certainly JJ's or even Svetlana's are the way to go. The Ruby BHT is the same design as a Winged C for less half the price and is another alternative. I know I am looking for an SED alternative. That last price hike pissed me right the hell off. I may have to lock the 3 new quads in the safe before long....

SK

Mark designed the CCV to be high voltage for big headroom. We spoke for an hour on the phone as to why the high voltages are the way to go for tone for the CCV. Lowering the voltage to compensate for tubes changes the tone and character of the amp. If the new CCV's will be true to Marks original design (which is what made the CCV such a killer amp), it will have between 525-550 volts on the plates. Mark designed the CCV to be used with Winged C's and delivered them as such. A number of us CCV owners tried different tubes including the JJ EL34 and E34L and the final conclusion was that the Winged C is the BEST power tube for tone. Period!

Hmm, I will check with Mark. If we go with the Winged C's with their crazy price structure that would effect the pricing of the amp. I will look into the Ruby BHT and discuss it all with Mark. We want the best solution for the amp and wont skimp.

 

[232cap]

I would say the bht's over the jj l's anyday.

 

[Hollywood]

you know my take is that there are guys that are going to play tube switcher no matter what tubes you sell the CCV with.
Once it starts making the market place with any normal consistency like other amps, it will become subject to the experiments from it's owners like all the rest.

 

[Hollywood]

I would say the bht's over the jj l's anyday.

I would agree with this. except one thing to keep in mind.
Dave Friedman has a way of making his amps sound SOO DAMN GOOD with the JJE34Ls.....
Brad should make his 2nd conversation after the 1st with Mark, one with Dave friedman.
The Wizard Modern Classic, and Dave's amps are two amps that sound very good with the JJ e34Ls.

 

[jcj]

Here's the problem (according to Mark); he's not digging the newer batches of the Winged C's.

Not sure what his solution is, but I'm sure he'll figure it out

I personally think the C's are the best tube for the CCV's.

 

[232cap]

Here's the problem (according to Mark); he's not digging the newer batches of the Winged C's.

Not sure what his solution is, but I'm sure he'll figure it out

I personally think the C's are the best tube for the CCV's.

Josh I bet the tubes are just fine, its the cost that sucks.

 

[steve_k]

Well, the design team will have to lower the voltages a bit for the EL34 JJ's, as they won't last very long in the amp. The 34L will take it, but my experience with JJ's is that they throw a blanket over the mids and immediately darken the amp up. They can voice the amp around it though. In terms of profit margin, certainly JJ's or even Svetlana's are the way to go. The Ruby BHT is the same design as a Winged C for less half the price and is another alternative. I know I am looking for an SED alternative. That last price hike pissed me right the hell off. I may have to lock the 3 new quads in the safe before long....

SK

Mark designed the CCV to be high voltage for big headroom. We spoke for an hour on the phone as to why the high voltages are the way to go for tone for the CCV. Lowering the voltage to compensate for tubes changes the tone and character of the amp. If the new CCV's will be true to Marks original design (which is what made the CCV such a killer amp), it will have between 525-550 volts on the plates. Mark designed the CCV to be used with Winged C's and delivered them as such. A number of us CCV owners tried different tubes including the JJ EL34 and E34L and the final conclusion was that the Winged C is the BEST power tube for tone on the CCV.

Agreed...

The BHT's to me don't have the bottom end of the SED's. They tend to be a little more top heavy and a bit glassy as opposed to well rounded and I guess a little thinner.

The CCV's strength is in the uber-plate voltage. Take that down, and it will lose some spunk. And, I just don't see JJ's cutting it in a CCV.

The price structure may need to compensate for having the best tube.


Steve

 

[jcj]

Here's the problem (according to Mark); he's not digging the newer batches of the Winged C's.

Not sure what his solution is, but I'm sure he'll figure it out

I personally think the C's are the best tube for the CCV's.

Josh I bet the tubes are just fine, its the cost that sucks.

Just repeating what Mark tossed out a couple of times.

FWIW, he wasn't paying for the tubes, I was going to grab some.

 

[Hollywood]

Hey guys. If you notice we have ourselves a whole thread going in the Cameron forum without argument or insult ...
Maybe we should come unglued and go off on each other to try and keep things the same as all the other threads. NAH!

 

[espquade]

the chinese tubes sure feel nice to play, but they don't sound like SEDs.


anybody with half a brain will put SEDs in there anyways, might as well bump the price up a hundred and ship with SEDs.

This !!!

Although , I hate how much these S.E.D. tubes are now they are still without a doubt my favorite EL34 , so
I know I will personally swap them for Winged C's anyway , so I would be fine to pay the extra and just have the amp come stock this way .

Anyone else ?

 

[RACKSYSTEMS]

The amp in the video with Mark Day that everybody seems to like has JJ power tubes. The winged c tubes are outrageous in price and the quality is not as good as it use to be. But then again all tubes suck. Its just a matter of how much you want to pay for bad tubes.