acceptance
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Of course it happens. But does that make it right? If enough Arabs overpowered and kicked out the Jews from Israel would you complain?
Floyd Eye
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Well let's see. When the modern state of Israel was mandated it was a tiny little drop in a sea of arabs. Who then almost immediately attacked that little dot, were repelled and lost ground. Rinse and repeat. And now they are crying about the mean old Israelis.
And this isn't even actually accurate. We could trace this back to the expulsion of the jews from Israel in the first place.
You are right in one sense though. The creation of the modern state of Israel has resulted in pissing off a bunch of arabs. It's kind of like if the Sioux had just kept on waging war with the white man for the last 150 years though. If you agree with the arabs that " The zionists must be wiped off the face of the earth", my only advice is to get to it. You been trying since 1949 with no success. Maybe you should give your property back to the descendants of whatever native Americans it was stolen from ?
Ever wonder why Egypt or Syria or Iran don't help the Palestinians ? Or take in any of their refugees ?
Bottom line is they are no longer the inhabitants of Israel and they don't have the power to take it back. They can either assimilate, shut the fuck up or be annihilated.
thegame
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Keep going…you’re on the right track
Thumbpicker
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Their history goes back there as long if not longer than the Arabs. So yes I'd complain.
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Thumbpicker
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@Floyd Eye 
acceptance
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That’s obviously not the full story, and the tensions started way before 1948. But say your account was true — you don’t think if you were an Arab living in a land your ancestors inhabited for hundreds of not thousands of years, and then some British assholes gave it away to European Jews who in turn forcefully expelled you, that you wouldn’t be angry?
acceptance
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Into what exactly, smart guy?
acceptance
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I’ll ask you the same question I asked thumbpicker: will you be okay if Arab nations decide to unite and forcefully kick the Jews out? That’s what you seem to be saying. Or is it only if your favored group is getting kicked out that you call it an injustice?
Floyd Eye
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As okay as I am with anything else. I am part Lakota yet somehow I don't feel compelled to kill everyone in South Dakota. It's cute you think they could though. They tried. Several times. And failed. Hence why they have to sneak across the border and attack civilians.
Let me ask you this. 3000 Lakota men with ARs show up at your door and throw you out of your house, which is situated on land stolen from their great grandfathers. You gonna pack up and leave ?
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Floyd Eye
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Same thing as all the other arab Israelis. Israelis.
Floyd Eye
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I would be exactly as angry as the Cherokee, Lakota, Cheyenne, whoever was in England before 1066, etc.
Pretty much none of those people were alive before the modern state of Israel. And most importantly, smart guy, being angry is a whole lot different than committing cowardly attacks on women and children, raping and killing them, kidnapping some as bartering chips and slinking back into your shithole to await the world's jew haters taking your side in a conflict you started. You seem to forget the Palestinian authority has rejected every peace plan, including two state solutions, ever presented to them. The only acceptable solution to them is no Jews from the river to the sea. And Israel has never attacked them unprovoked. It's the same thing over and over and it isn't a military action, it's terrorism. Which thanks to minds like yours is allowed to flourish.
And in case you haven't noticed, the arab world only cares about Palestinians as a propaganda tool against Israel and the west. Those arabs won't even allow refugees from Gaza to enter their country.
acceptance
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I should have said “take military action” instead of “be angry.” And the Palestinians have a right under Geneva conventions to armed resistance, being an occupied territory. To date I don’t believe any of the rape allegations have been proven to any degree, and it appears to be propaganda, like the “40 beheaded babies” story. I agree though that kidnapping civilians (we don’t know the true numbers) is a war crime. The idea that Palestine has rejected every peace plan is more propaganda, as is the idea that Israel truly wants to find a solution other than what they’re doing right now. And I’ll prove it if you want. You already seem to have ceded that the initial aggression, stolen land was were it “started”. You are furthermore woefully uninformed about how the Palestinians have been mistreated since then as well if you think this occurred out of the blue. I can provide more info on that too if you’re interested. Israeli actions in Gaza are turning the world against the Jewish people, not some latent antisemitism that you allude to.
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Floyd Eye
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Propaganda. lol
You think released Israeli hostages are lying, yet you no doubt believe the numbers and bullshit coming from Hamas. And you clearly stated you think they were justified. You literally just referred to the attack on Israeli civilians and the 1200 plus deaths as armed resistance. Sorry dude, that makes you a piece of shit.
acceptance
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You really have big opinions about something you know nothing about. The millions of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israelis and can not be Israelis, because that would threaten the Jewish majority and the idea of a Jewish state.
acceptance
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I didnt say freed Israeli hostages are lying. And I didn’t justify the killing of civilians. But if you think what Israel is doing is okay then you shouldn’t have a problem with killing civilians anyways, including thousands of children. Israel has still not told us the ratio of civilians to military that were killed on oct 7. Im fairly confident though it is better than the ratio of Palestinian civilian deaths by Israel in the current campaign.
Floyd Eye
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Gaza and the West Bank aren't Israeli territories. And they're also not "Occupied". What they are is terrorist states. More than 75% of the population of both territories support Hamas. So much for the "Hamas is not Palestine" argument.
As much as you would clearly like to see the "Zionists wiped off the face of the earth", your eluding to the world opinion of Israel matters not. Israel will turn Gaza into a smoking hole. And The West Bank if they aren't careful. And don't look now but they obviosuly have the full support of your heroes in the democratic party. Maybe you should go over there and join their struggle ? Oh yeah, the people you so passionately support would cut your fucking head off within 15 minutes of your arrival.
Floyd Eye
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You did say it. There is plenty of testimony of Israelis to support Hamas raping women. And if you think Hamas, the people who absolutely killed civilian babies in front of their mothers, is above raping women you are seriously fucked up.
Floyd Eye
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Almost all terrorism world wide is committed by Muslims. You go on ahead being a cheerleader for them. When they take over the world maybe they'll kill you last. 
acceptance
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I said “occupied territory”. If you don’t know that the West Bank is an occupied territory this conversation is pointless. And if you would prefer “open air prison” in regards to Gaza, fine.
acceptance
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Can you provide the source for this?