Old CCV vs. New CCV - head to head

[RedB4Black]

Dialed with the same settings, they sounded pretty close. The old CCV was a little bit thinner and more raspy/aggressive sounding. Slight EQ adjustments and it was easy to get them to sound the same. The new CCV did sound a tad bit clearer, but nothing major or really all that noticeable. All in all, the new CCV is killer, much like the old CCV.

 

[steve_k]

Good to know......

 

[jasonP]

Thanks for the post!

How much you want for your old one.. I'm looking to buy!

If anybody here wants to sell there older one please let me know.
Jason

 

[Tone Monster]

Very cool. The differences could be chalked up to tubes, bias and component differences...which every amp manufacturer will have.

How was the new CCV's "mid-grind"? None of the clips posted seem to capture that specific tone heard in old CCV clips.

Wut? He said they were the same with slight EQ adjustments. Knowing Matt that means like a 1/8 inch turn. I've been astonished at the difference pickups make with this amp. I have one set of passives and one set of actives. The passives grind more. Not close. So really comparing CCVs without the same cab and guitar is a waste of energy....They are all awesome Cameron amps.

 

[232cap]

I had a few and heard another and I will say you won't sell a new one for an old or sell an old one to get a new one unless you need the new upgrade on the latest ccv.. The core tone is right there and the tube choice will be the biggest factor. So the old vs new drama should be put to bed. 2 guys with the new ccv have the same story, It's a great sounding amp.

 

[Tone Monster]

I had a few and heard another and I will say you won't sell a new one for an old or sell an old one to get a new one unless you need the new upgrade on the latest ccv.. The core tone is right there and the tube choice will be the biggest factor. So the old vs new drama should be put to bed. 2 guys with the new ccv have the same story, It's a great sounding amp.

Thanks for ending the drama....

 

[RedB4Black]

^what settings do you have on that Dave.

Also - do you need to change the Ohms setting when you use the low power setting? It doesn't appear you do base on your video. I assumed I'd have to cut the ohms setting in half.

The old CCV had Wing Cs and 8th Gen Chinese. I didn't look at the new one's tubes - but from what Art said - JJs and Chinese 12ax7s. I'm gonna swap the JJs with a quad of winged Cs to hear the difference.

 

[steve_k]

The few hand built CCV's released were different. Dave's has a particular set of characteristics that are probably different from others. My original certainly was different than his. It has been said that Art's original was the best of the lot. At least now, there will be consistency across the board and finally a true CCV description can be published. Looking forward to getting mine now....both of them. V1/V2 and power amp tubes will make a huge difference - certainly if you are testing JJ's vs. SED's. The SED's will damn sure have a lot to do with the mid-character of the amp.

Anyway, keep all the good stuff coming. Clips and experimentation with tube changes is good stuff for reference. It will take me all of about 5 minutes to pull some of those Chinese preamp tubes out when I get mine.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah...I've had a CCV or 2...

 

[steve_k]

Yeah...I've had a CCV or 2...

or 3, or 4.....or 10.

 

[steve_k]

^what settings do you have on that Dave.

Also - do you need to change the Ohms setting when you use the low power setting? It doesn't appear you do base on your video. I assumed I'd have to cut the ohms setting in half.

The old CCV had Wing Cs and 8th Gen Chinese. I didn't look at the new one's tubes - but from what Art said - JJs and Chinese 12ax7s. I'm gonna swap the JJs with a quad of winged Cs to hear the difference.

The high/Low is just adjusting voltage to get a different sound. There is no need to change ohm settings since all 4 power tubes are being used.


Here are the settings... in video format

I have an Ei 12AX7 in V1 and Chinese in all the rest. Winged C EL34 power tubes biased around 60%

What sort of plate voltage are you getting form the old amp Dave, and at what input voltage.

New CCV owners....if you have checked bias on your new amp, what about PV and at what input voltage?

Steve

 

[232cap]

I had mine apart tonight to check plate voltages, 450ish low and 545ish high. I did find that my jjel34's were biased at 53ma on high power. I'm suprised the lasted and didn't do the jj snap crackle pop. Anyway I cranked it back to about 40 which is still smokin hot with 540v on the plates. It sounded good but I couldn't crank it as it was getting late. While it was opened up I put my quad of winged C's and set the to around 42ma and will hear the results tomorrow. I played it on low and you can feel the stiffer response, not as warm as the jj's but adds to the ccv grind. I also added a eI in v1 and you can hear the difference in 10 seconds. From what I can figure out v1-v2 are for ch2, v3 v4 ch1 v5 inverter. I didn't get to crazy to see if v1 is for both channels. My findings so far.

 

[bionicmark]

I had mine apart tonight to check plate voltages, 450ish low and 545ish high. I did find that my jjel34's were biased at 53ma on high power. I'm suprised the lasted and didn't do the jj snap crackle pop. Anyway I cranked it back to about 40 which is still smokin hot with 540v on the plates. It sounded good but I couldn't crank it as it was getting late. While it was opened up I put my quad of winged C's and set the to around 42ma and will hear the results tomorrow. I played it on low and you can feel the stiffer response, not as warm as the jj's but adds to the ccv grind. I also added a eI in v1 and you can hear the difference in 10 seconds. From what I can figure out v1-v2 are for ch2, v3 v4 ch1 v5 inverter. I didn't get to crazy to see if v1 is for both channels. My findings so far.

"eI"

that a typo? what type of tube? please and thank you..

 

[232cap]

Ei

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

really need to have some =C= in there before comparing old to new.


never gonna convince me the JJ's are the right tube.

 

[232cap]

really need to have some =C= in there before comparing old to new.


never gonna convince me the JJ's are the right tube.

Your right the c's just add that tighter cutting vibe which most people look for in the ccv. I'm almost positive mine will be staying in. I will say the jj aren't bad at all, they would be my second choice.

 

[steve_k]

I always liked a Sovtek LPS in V1 on any Cameron.

 

[232cap]

I always liked a Sovtek LPS in V1 on any Cameron.

Steve +1 on the lps, its like a hidden treasure. I don't have any left, time to reorder. Did you ever try one in the phase inverter?

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

really need to have some =C= in there before comparing old to new.


never gonna convince me the JJ's are the right tube.

Your right the c's just add that tighter cutting vibe which most people look for in the ccv. I'm almost positive mine will be staying in. I will say the jj aren't bad at all, they would be my second choice.

the JJ's could be good, i'd just as soon wait and see how you'll guys get along.


my second choice in most amps after the SED's, are the EH6CA7. the newer Chinese 34 that Diezel is using now is pretty salty, but short on mids.

anyways, congrats on the amp!

 

[bionicmark]

Ei

i appreciate that ...but still , what brand is it...am i missing something? i can't think of a brand of tube w/ e i
thanks!