Orange Modern vs Red Modern on Rectifiers, is there a difference ?

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This has been my experience with the 3 rectifiers I have owned;

Red - Tighter/with a bit more of a boomier low end/also a bit brighter
Orange - Warmer/fatter

I like both, I find the Red channel gets along better with active pickups than the orange channel. The orange channel also takes a boost a little bit better for those big chugs.
 
DeathbyButterslax said:
This has been my experience with the 3 rectifiers I have owned;

Red - Tighter/with a bit more of a boomier low end/also a bit brighter
Orange - Warmer/fatter

I like both, I find the Red channel gets along better with active pickups than the orange channel. The orange channel also takes a boost a little bit better for those big chugs.
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This is a great description. The red seems more clinical, modern in tone while Orange cloned to modern seems more like a vintage amp modded for heavy stuff. The Orange has more character to me; definitely fatter as stated earlier.
 
I think it's the presence pot value that kinda changes the voicing of the red channel vs orange.
 
Yeah, I've been told that the value of the presence pot is different, and that's the only difference.
 
The short answer is yes. The long answer (for specifics) is...it depends on which model you’re referencing.

The older 2 channel models have a channel cloning feature. When you clone “Red to Vintage,” the presence controls for both channels become active.

In the original 3 channel models (from 2001-2010 or so), channels 2 and 3 had different values for the presence control, so the modern mode will be slightly different on those channels.

In the later Multi-Watt models, the presence control is configured for the mode, so choosing the modern mode would be the same in channels 2 and 3.
 
On the older 2 channel recto's, the entire negative feedback arrangement is different between orange and red.
I believe red has no negative feedback at all, and red "presence" is simply a high cut filter after the tone stack. Orange has normal nfb / presence arrangement.
Orange cloned to modern is where its at IMO. You get the extra gain up front, with a more traditional power section / nfb arrangement. Sounds tighter and less fizzy to me.
 
I always found the red channel to not be as thick in the mids.. basically red was ny goto rhythm, and orange lead for me.
 
Besides the presence control difference the Red Modern has the modern poweramp. The Orange Modern has the vintage poweramp.
Basically the modern poweramp has no negative feedback.
 
stephen sawall said:
Besides the presence control difference the Red Modern has the modern poweramp. The Orange Modern has the vintage poweramp.
Basically the modern poweramp has no negative feedback.
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Yes, good explanation.
I was trying to say the same thing above, but I may have missed the mark a little .(y)
 
orange modern has the modern power amp, hence the name. you guys are confusing it with orange vintage. Both the mids and the presence sit a different frequencies in red vs orange modern. try both and see which one you like.
 
fusedbrain said:
On the older 2 channel recto's, the entire negative feedback arrangement is different between orange and red.
I believe red has no negative feedback at all, and red "presence" is simply a high cut filter after the tone stack. Orange has normal nfb / presence arrangement.
Orange cloned to modern is where its at IMO. You get the extra gain up front, with a more traditional power section / nfb arrangement. Sounds tighter and less fizzy to me.
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Agreed 100% on that! Orange cloned with the amp set to spongy and tube rectification is the fattest Recto tone.
 
acalaf said:
orange modern has the modern power amp, hence the name. you guys are confusing it with orange vintage. Both the mids and the presence sit a different frequencies in red vs orange modern. try both and see which one you like.
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From the manual....

"CHANNEL CLONING (TM) is our answer to this channel expanding idea. By providing two identical groups of front panel controls and
interfacing each of them to it’s own different and dedicated channel, we achieve the VINTAGE ORANGE
and MODERN RED channels. Sophisticated internal switching circuitry then enables you, the user, to
utilize the channels for their differences - “Normal” or; with a flick of the switch - Clone them “ORANGE to
MODERN” or “RED to VINTAGE.” This allows for virtually any combination of your two favorite sounds to
be footswitchably possible even if they are normally found in the same channel! CHANNEL CLONING
greatly enhances the versatility of the TREM-O-VERB live or in the studio, while retaining its clean
front panel layout.
NOTE: When the CHANNEL CLONING (TM) feature is used and the MODERN RED channel is cloning RED to VINTAGE (so that it
sounds like the ORANGE channel) - be aware that both the ORANGE and RED channels’ PRESENCE Controls are active in the
(bottom) RED channel in this setting only. Some amazing sounds are possible because the two
PRESENCE Controls maintain their respective voicing differences giving you two regions of top
end harmonics to play with in this mode."
 
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fusedbrain said:
On the older 2 channel recto's, the entire negative feedback arrangement is different between orange and red.
I believe red has no negative feedback at all, and red "presence" is simply a high cut filter after the tone stack. Orange has normal nfb / presence arrangement.
Orange cloned to modern is where its at IMO. You get the extra gain up front, with a more traditional power section / nfb arrangement. Sounds tighter and less fizzy to me.
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Nailed it... all of this.
 
stephen sawall said:
NOTE: When the CHANNEL CLONING (TM) feature is used and the MODERN RED channel is cloning RED to VINTAGE (so that it
sounds like the ORANGE channel) - be aware that both the ORANGE and RED channels’ PRESENCE Controls are active in the
(bottom) RED channel in this setting only. Some amazing sounds are possible because the two
PRESENCE Controls maintain their respective voicing differences giving you two regions of top
end harmonics to play with in this mode."
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That is the way I used to run my 2-channel Triple Rec. A very overlooked part of the instruction manual.
 
Just played my DR orange/modern & red/vintage/spongy/tube rec, much prefer it that way.
Thanks to all.
No Soldano/all MESA.
 
VESmedic said:
The rev F Orange modern is one of the deadliest tones on the planet, bar none... I don’t know how anyone could not like this... butttt I’m biased...
93 rev F
Peppers dirty tree
Engl 4x12 micing a creamback 65
Unidyne sm57

Deadly....

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/eojpuNdhCjJEoa8T9
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I don't think that is a good tone at all. It sounds hollow, scooped and the highs are kinda harsh and dry sounding, the playing is tight though.
 
anomaly said:
I don't think that is a good tone at all. It sounds hollow, scooped and the highs are kinda harsh and dry sounding, the playing is tight though.
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Welp, sorry to hear that! If you think those are harsh highs I don’t know what to tell ya, people are so afraid of high end it’s ridiculous. This would be almost slightly dark in a mix, which is what matters to me personally.
 
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