Orange Modern vs Red Modern on Rectifiers, is there a difference ?

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Agreed... that’s not a word that gets thrown around much with a rectifier, “complex”, but I most certainly agree, there is a lot going on in the rectos gain and saturation, and that’s a great term for it. The Orange modern just absolutely crushes to me, just a flat out amazing tone. I think at the end of the day what ever demonstrated once again is how important the cab is in your overall tone. We beat that dead horse here and hopefully people see how much influence it has on your sound, which is why I have 5 4x12s haha! I’ve done several different reamps with different amps with this same mic and cab setup today and the results are all strikingly similar, they all fit in this sonic spectrum of tone, and that’s because of the cab I’m using. It’s so crucial, more crucial than the amp in my opinion.
I agree; atm I have 6 4x12s....Mesa Trad slant, 2 Marshall slants (79 w/65s, 72 w/Pulsonics) 1 Marshall straight (83 w/T75s), a Mesa halfback (EV/C90) and a beat to shit 68 Sound City straight with JBLs/GBs. Each of my 3 amps sound completely different through each cab. Best way to mod amps imo lol
 
When I think of cold/clinical the 3 channel Rectos come to mind. And, not having owned one I don’t know if that can be dialed out. But local bands way back used them and that’s how they dialed them in
 
Just to drive home a point... new reamp. Same setup, except Peavey 6534, and precision drive. I should’ve kept the peppers for my consistency, but I was loving the horizon with the 6534. Very similar vibe, they are in the same “space” so to speak, both Amps through this cab. They are extremely similar in sonic space, however the transients and response is totally different. Pretty cool.

also, if anyone wants to hear the PRS archons cleans, they are the end of this clip. Absolutely no EQ on the clean guitars... this is the best clean channel I’ve heard outside of a fender for me personally, simply stunning.

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/4tVXbnK9ZWKUKk7Q7
 
The old revision Recto’s are every bit as good for rock as they are for metal, if not even better in some ways. I’ve been working with my friend on a Re-amping this whole week, his style is more punk and alt rock and my rev f/c triple recto has been sounding amazing for his stuff so far. You don’t hear guys talk about it much, but the green mode on channel 1 with the gain up high can sound killer for a super ballsy, aggressive rock tone (not metal) and that’s one of the sounds we’ve been using. Gonna try it again today but boosting it with my Klon. Although it’s a rock sound (not metal), it’s one of the more aggressive and bigger/heavier sounds I’ve had in its own way
Rectifier punk tones > Rectifier metal tones IMO
 
Rectifier punk tones > Rectifier metal tones IMO
Can’t say I disagree since it’s so killer for that style, but think it’s amazing for metal too if it’s the right style of metal (I wouldn’t use it for anything that’s really fast or requires a very tight sound). It can get tight enough imo with the right boost, speakers and pickups, but even so if I wanted that sound would go instead with my iic+, ccv or Badlander. Those are usually my go to’s for tighter sounds or even the Naylor also with the right boost
 
When I think of cold/clinical the 3 channel Rectos come to mind. And, not having owned one I don’t know if that can be dialed out. But local bands way back used them and that’s how they dialed them in
I don’t know why, but I’ve always thought the older 2 channel Rectos sounded better than the 3 channel ones. I’m sure there are differences in the circuit, other than the third channel of course, that contribute. I think some of the earliest Dual Rectos have Mark Series transformers in them, which makes them sound different than even the later 2 channel ones.
 
I don’t know why, but I’ve always thought the older 2 channel Rectos sounded better than the 3 channel ones. I’m sure there are differences in the circuit, other than the third channel of course, that contribute. I think some of the earliest Dual Rectos have Mark Series transformers in them, which makes them sound different than even the later 2 channel ones.
I'm not sure if they do; I've heard yes and no. But, the early transformers they used had a habit of failing if they were used with a 16 ohm cab, from what I've read. I've yet to play anything earlier than a later F triple...mine is around serial 2800. But it sounds amazing.
 
I'm not sure if they do; I've heard yes and no. But, the early transformers they used had a habit of failing if they were used with a 16 ohm cab, from what I've read. I've yet to play anything earlier than a later F triple...mine is around serial 2800. But it sounds amazing.
I had a 94 2 Channel Dual that had been modded by Peters Amps for an adjustable bias. I thought it sounded killer. Wish I still had it. It was warmer and had better sounding gain than the later ones, at least to my ears. It was more old-school.
 
If you ever get the itch to try another one, I highly suggest Rev G or F (if you can find one) Triple. Basically any 2 channel triple. They do not have the 'bloat' that the 2 channel duals have...although an earlier dual (C, D, E or F) will not have it. But they're tough to find. Triples are pretty tight without a boost, and damn near perfect with one. They 'almost' do an SLO thing with a ton more low end. Kinda like a modded SLO for metal if you will.
 
If you ever get the itch to try another one, I highly suggest Rev G or F (if you can find one) Triple. Basically any 2 channel triple. They do not have the 'bloat' that the 2 channel duals have...although an earlier dual (C, D, E or F) will not have it. But they're tough to find. Triples are pretty tight without a boost, and damn near perfect with one. They 'almost' do an SLO thing with a ton more low end. Kinda like a modded SLO for metal if you will.
I have a Rev G Blackface Triple. I havent loved it as much the last few years and recently I decided to flip it over the the vacuum tubes rectifer setting. It was like it came alive! Best it has sounded in years. It was almost like it was too tight on the Diode setting. It went from a thud low end to a nice chug. I always sound crazy when I say a Recto was too tight sounding, lol. I am amazed how much that small change improved things, especially when it is opposite of what everyone says to do online.
 
Ya, probably the settings and cab have more to do with it. Also, mic positioning could be the culprit??
The culprit here is your ears and tastes, my dude. That tone is perfectly fine and would easily sit in a recorded mix. You’d be surprised how much of the mids in a metal mix can actually come from the bass.
 
The culprit here is your ears and tastes, my dude. That tone is perfectly fine and would easily sit in a recorded mix. You’d be surprised how much of the mids in a metal mix can actually come from the bass.
Well my tastes are much different than yours, even with the Peavey, the clip sounds bloated in the lows, way too much low end going on... can't hear the bass guitar at all really cause the guitars low end is overpowering the mix, and the highs are a little harsh, i'm sure someone will agree with me on that. That's not to mention the lack of mids, but that may just be because there's so much damn bass and treble in the tone that the mids have taken a back seat. There's certainly some frequencies there that are not pleasant IMO. Just crank it up and it'll be more obvious, a good mix should sound good at low and high volumes.

That King's X clip has a perfect recto tone and mix to it, plus the bass guitar is not being stepped on.

Listening back to his two clips, the recto rev F clip is a little better than the Peavey 6534 (or whatever they're called) clip. I've never been a fan of any Peavey 5150 or the el34 version.
 
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Your play back system has a huge effect on the sound. If your not all in the same room your likely hearing very different things.

Some individuals see the speaker and cab as about 80% of the sound. I tend to agree.

These are the settings I'm using lately..... o'clock.
If you try them would be curious of your thoughts ?

Orange
Silicon
Bold
Bypass effects loop.
Gain -11-1
Treble - 3+
Midrange - Full up
Bass - 1-2+
Presence - 1-3
+ = a little more
The "bypass effects loop" on back is important for the sound.
 
Your play back system has a huge effect on the sound. If your not all in the same room your likely hearing very different things.

Some individuals see the speaker and cab as about 80% of the sound. I tend to agree.

These are the settings I'm using lately..... o'clock.
If you try them would be curious of your thoughts ?

Orange
Silicon
Bold
Bypass effects loop.
Gain -11-1
Treble - 3+
Midrange - Full up
Bass - 1-2+
Presence - 1-3
+ = a little more
The "bypass effects loop" on back is important for the sound.
The loop cuts a lot of bass if you dont do the loop bass suck mod on it. I did, and now I leave it on all the time. It helps balance volume for low volume tones.
 
My favorite recorded Recto tone:
I was listening to this just now in the car. Couple of things about this recorded tone that are detrimental to how this guitar sounds:
1. King’s X is a bad ass band.
2. Ty Tabor is a bad ass guitarist.
3. Michael Wagner knows how to get killer rock guitar on tape (this might actually be the first reason for this guitar sound).
 
I was listening to this just now in the car. Couple of things about this recorded tone that are detrimental to how this guitar sounds:
1. King’s X is a bad ass band.
2. Ty Tabor is a bad ass guitarist.
3. Michael Wagner knows how to get killer rock guitar on tape (this might actually be the first reason for this guitar sound).
Edit: this also sounds like a cranked power section with the preamp gain fairly low. It’s got that power amp squishy compression thing happening. I know this is an early 2 channel rack mount recto, and the earlier ones were a little warmer but had more upper mids than later Rectos, imho.
 
Well my tastes are much different than yours, even with the Peavey, the clip sounds bloated in the lows, way too much low end going on... can't hear the bass guitar at all really cause the guitars low end is overpowering the mix, and the highs are a little harsh, i'm sure someone will agree with me on that. That's not to mention the lack of mids, but that may just be because there's so much damn bass and treble in the tone that the mids have taken a back seat. There's certainly some frequencies there that are not pleasant IMO. Just crank it up and it'll be more obvious, a good mix should sound good at low and high volumes.

That King's X clip has a perfect recto tone and mix to it, plus the bass guitar is not being stepped on.

Listening back to his two clips, the recto rev F clip is a little better than the Peavey 6534 (or whatever they're called) clip. I've never been a fan of any Peavey 5150 or the el34 version.


dude... it’s a backing track... it’s my guitars on top of 1 stereo stem track with every other instrument on a single track... aka: there not exactly much I can do with that. You’re picking apart the mix now, which isn’t really a mix, only the best someone can do with absolutely no control over the other tracks, but you were nitpicking the amp... so which is it?

Also, how on earth are you not hearing the bass? That bass is BLARING on the backing track. Most of the low end IS the bass on the backing track. You may not like how the guitar SITS with it, but again, I have no control over one stereo track. I can’t believe for as long as these tracks have been on the internet I had to say this, but I guess I do.

*edit* ok so great, you are obviously one of these guys afraid of high end, so notch out alittle bit of 3k and be Happy, who cares. But you’ve ventured into critiquing someone’s “mix” that isn’t really a “mix” instead of the amps at this point. And if you think that the 6534 sounds scooped, then I’m sorry to say but you don’t really know what “midrange” sounds like, because there’s an abundance of it on that clip. It’s just a fact, if you want to see a visual representation on an EQ I can show you that as well.
 
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dude... it’s a backing track... it’s my guitars on top of 1 stereo stem track with every other instrument on a single track... aka: there not exactly much I can do with that. You’re picking apart the mix now, which isn’t really a mix, only the best someone can do with absolutely no control over the other tracks, but you were nitpicking the amp... so which is it?

Also, how on earth are you not hearing the bass? That bass is BLARING on the backing track. Most of the low end IS the bass on the backing track. You may not like how the guitar SITS with it, but again, I have no control over one stereo track. I can’t believe for as long as these tracks have been on the internet I had to say this, but I guess I do.

*edit* ok so great, you are obviously one of these guys afraid of high end, so notch out alittle bit of 3k and be Happy, who cares. But you’ve ventured into critiquing someone’s “mix” that isn’t really a “mix” instead of the amps at this point. And if you think that the 6534 sounds scooped, then I’m sorry to say but you don’t really know what “midrange” sounds like, because there’s an abundance of it on that clip. It’s just a fact, if you want to see a visual representation on an EQ I can show you that as well.
It's not that I don't hear the bassline, i can, but it's all one sound, ya know? cant tell where the bass ends and the guitars begin... does that make sense??

Ya, i know those Peavey amps have a lot of midrange. It's just the speakers or cab that I'm not digging.
 
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