Peter/Olaf/Terry......... I need your SERIOUS answer here...

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Hey Joey ...... Papa here :D

As You see there are a lot opinions and tastes about clean.
Maybe You should check out the different amps first.
All I can say is that we have a lot of high end and deep
end on the Schmidt clean channel.

Sorry, I´m not the guy who advertises for his own products.
 
Peter Diezel":1wfuqs6k said:
Hey Joey ...... Papa here :D

As You see there are a lot opinions and tastes about clean.
Maybe You should check out the different amps first.
All I can say is that we have a lot of high end and deep
end on the Schmidt clean channel.

Sorry, I´m not the guy who advertises for his own products.


I know Papa, you're one of a kind..... as classy as one come :yes: more than self advertising I just wanted to get the real answer (as you always provide) about whether the Schmidt could deliver the vintage tones I'm after. The other amps in the Diezel line have a very well positioned place and neither compete with one another which I find extremely awesome (VH4 is the 80s king/kick you in the face tight versatile monster. The Herbert is the modern huge kicks you in the nuts gotzilla, the Einstein has the modernish vintage tone, and the schmidt so far seems to be the organic vintage one in the line) but since I haven't had the pleasure of playing one, I wanted to make you it was indeed made for the vintage seekers.
 
No, Schmidt is not that you think it is!
Schmidt is everything! It can sound so huge and brutal! It´s outstanding!
 
Bato":1hwd0tnb said:
No, Schmidt is not that you think it is!
Schmidt is everything! It can sound so huge and brutal! It´s outstanding!


really? isn't it "vintage" sounding? an amp can get mean and "brootal" with vintage characteristics
:confused:
 
Joeytpg":29kb1pbb said:
Bato":29kb1pbb said:
No, Schmidt is not that you think it is!
Schmidt is everything! It can sound so huge and brutal! It´s outstanding!


really? isn't it "vintage" sounding? an amp can get mean and "brootal" with vintage characteristics
:confused:

The Schmidt can, indeed, get fairly heavy on Channel 3 with the master/gain cranked up. It can also do the "vintage" thing. But, honestly... it still sounds like a Diezel.
 
Once again...Schmidt is everything. It´s really unbelievable. It can sound vintage but it can sound like really heavy amp!
 
IM curious, how does schmidt take pedals? i have some lovely high end pedals and havent had the chance to run them through any diezel except eisntein and herbert.

A Wood
 
The Schmidt can, indeed, get fairly heavy on Channel 3 with the master/gain cranked up. It can also do the "vintage" thing. But, honestly... it still sounds like a Diezel


see, this is exactly what I wanted Papa/olaf/terry to answer me...... diezel is known for the nice compressed modernish tight sound, some of the amps sound more modern some other sound more "vintagy", but non really sound VINTAGE at all.......I haven't played the Schmidt, so I don't know what is like.... I see a lot of the comments saying: "it's a VERY different amp!" "it can do the vintage stuff but also covers the more modern spectrum", "it can get very heavy but maintaining a very open sounding vintage feel"

and honestly to me it sounds a bit vague. when I listen to the Herbert, I know right away that the amp sounds MODERN and HUGE, it has awesome cleans but still MODERN cleans. Same with the VH4, I know it's a very fast responsive amp, with the mids very prominent and a lot of BODY. The Einstein has a very scooped tone, although less than the herbert with a looser feel to it, but still sounds quite modern.

Now the descriptions I've read on the Schmidt haven't really sold me on the amp.... it's like it does everything but a bit more on the vintage side, and I don't think it helps us buyers make up our mids. I honestly think, very humbling and without telling Peter and the guys what to do and how to run their company, that they should advertise the schmidt as the vintage amp of the line if it IS indeed the vintage one.if someone wants to buy the metal moster, go for the Herbert, if you want the versatile rock amp from heaven, get the VH4, if you want a nice Diezel tone without much bells and whistles get the Einstein but for those of us that don't care for really hi gain, don't care for tightness compressed in you face kind of tone, interested in lush beautiful VINTAGE cleans and creamy OD, an OD channel that sounds like a nice single channel clean amp with the most gorgeous OD pedal pushed really hard, then The Schmidt it is, IF THAT IS THE CASE.....

if it's not, then what its the Schmidt??

can someone tell me please :)
:thumbsup:


love ya all :rock:
 
Bato":1jq5r9z3 said:
Once again...Schmidt is everything. It´s really unbelievable. It can sound vintage but it can sound like really heavy amp!

Sounding "vintage" doesn't mean it can get the tone the OP is looking for. If you are looking for something like Two Rock, Carol-Ann or Ceriatone, keep in mind Diezel still sounds like Diezel. You need to play one first before you get get caught up in the words of others. Don't get me wrong, I love my VH4's sound. But, I like it because it sounds like a VH4, not like some other amplifier...

The Schmidt can NOT do everything. It is a Class A, 30 watt amp and those specs come with limitations. It can get "heavy" but only when compared to itself. Put it side by side with "heavy" amps like the Herbert or VH4 and it won't sound as "heavy." I'd say the Schmidt is comparable to a Bad Cat Hot Cat, which I used to own and have played side-by-side with a Schmidt.

Bottom line, go play one for yourself.
 
Joeytpg":17o5qcws said:
The Schmidt can, indeed, get fairly heavy on Channel 3 with the master/gain cranked up. It can also do the "vintage" thing. But, honestly... it still sounds like a Diezel


see, this is exactly what I wanted Papa/olaf/terry to answer me...... diezel is known for the nice compressed modernish tight sound, some of the amps sound more modern some other sound more "vintagy", but non really sound VINTAGE at all.......I haven't played the Schmidt, so I don't know what is like.... I see a lot of the comments saying: "it's a VERY different amp!" "it can do the vintage stuff but also covers the more modern spectrum", "it can get very heavy but maintaining a very open sounding vintage feel"

and honestly to me it sounds a bit vague. when I listen to the Herbert, I know right away that the amp sounds MODERN and HUGE, it has awesome cleans but still MODERN cleans. Same with the VH4, I know it's a very fast responsive amp, with the mids very prominent and a lot of BODY. The Einstein has a very scooped tone, although less than the herbert with a looser feel to it, but still sounds quite modern.

Now the descriptions I've read on the Schmidt haven't really sold me on the amp.... it's like it does everything but a bit more on the vintage side, and I don't think it helps us buyers make up our mids. I honestly think, very humbling and without telling Peter and the guys what to do and how to run their company, that they should advertise the schmidt as the vintage amp of the line if it IS indeed the vintage one.if someone wants to buy the metal moster, go for the Herbert, if you want the versatile rock amp from heaven, get the VH4, if you want a nice Diezel tone without much bells and whistles get the Einstein but for those of us that don't care for really hi gain, don't care for tightness compressed in you face kind of tone, interested in lush beautiful VINTAGE cleans and creamy OD, an OD channel that sounds like a nice single channel clean amp with the most gorgeous OD pedal pushed really hard, then The Schmidt it is, IF THAT IS THE CASE.....

if it's not, then what its the Schmidt??

can someone tell me please :)
:thumbsup:


love ya all :rock:

If you want a true "vintage" sound, get a true "vintage" amp. The Schmidt is still 100% Diezel in its character. I don't know what Peter and the gang market the Schmidt as, but it doesn't sound the same as a Two Rock, Top Hat, Vox, Orange, Ceriatone, and etc. The best bet is to go out and try to find one to play.
 
FourT6and2":2utsb1aq said:
Bato":2utsb1aq said:
Once again...Schmidt is everything. It´s really unbelievable. It can sound vintage but it can sound like really heavy amp!

Sounding "vintage" doesn't mean it can get the tone the OP is looking for. If you are looking for something like Two Rock, Carol-Ann or Ceriatone, keep in mind Diezel still sounds like Diezel. You need to play one first before you get get caught up in the words of others. Don't get me wrong, I love my VH4's sound. But, I like it because it sounds like a VH4, not like some other amplifier...

The Schmidt can NOT do everything. It is a Class A, 30 watt amp and those specs come with limitations. It can get "heavy" but only when compared to itself. Put it side by side with "heavy" amps like the Herbert or VH4 and it won't sound as "heavy." I'd say the Schmidt is comparable to a Bad Cat Hot Cat, which I used to own and have played side-by-side with a Schmidt.

Bottom line, go play one for yourself.


I like the way you explain.

I understand exactly what you mean... I must say though that the Two Rock, Carol-ann, mention, was just reference..... I'm not really trying to emulare those amps.... I named them, because the two rock cleans are very different from the herbert cleans....and not because the two rock is a two rock and the herbie is a diezel, but because the two rock is a class A/AB with a different feel, than the herbert regardles of how Peter likes to tweak his amps in the tonal spectrum versus how Joe likes to tweak his amps......

does it make sense?


now, FourT6and2, what did you find in the Schmidt when you played it? compared to your bad cat, and based on the fact that I'm NOT looking for a rock/hard rock/metal amp in the schmidt, I'm after a softier, looser, cleaner poprock/blues amp.
 
I think it's pretty clear what Schmidt is. It's a class a Diezel amp, as simple as that. Like any Diezel amp you won't confuse it with anything else.
 
btw, I can't try one out, I'm in Dominican Republic and I'm almost a 100% sure I'm the only Diezel owner in the country hehehe, so, to try one out I'd have to buy it..... it's fine by me, I've bought ALL my amps without playing them first and so far I've been very fortunate, but I reseach research research as much as I can before taking the plunge
 
nbarts":2eajtaqm said:
I think it's pretty clear what Schmidt is. It's a class a Diezel amp, as simple as that. Like any Diezel amp you won't confuse it with anything else.

then I'm the one who doesn't understand.

how does a class A amp sounds compared to a Class AB ? (I know the technical/theoretical differences) but don't know how they differ in sound
:confused:
 
FourT6and2":iuy8entn said:
The Schmidt can NOT do everything. It is a Class A, 30 watt amp and those specs come with limitations. It can get "heavy" but only when compared to itself. Put it side by side with "heavy" amps like the Herbert or VH4 and it won't sound as "heavy."

Oh believe me, i tried it at Peter Diezels factory. We tried the Scmidt, my Herbert, a stock Herbert and a VH4. I don´t have my opinion just because i think it could be like someone said something once upon a time. I´ve heard it with my own ears.
 
Joeytpg":26uppsmb said:
nbarts":26uppsmb said:
I think it's pretty clear what Schmidt is. It's a class a Diezel amp, as simple as that. Like any Diezel amp you won't confuse it with anything else.

then I'm the one who doesn't understand.

how does a class A amp sounds compared to a Class AB ? (I know the technical/theoretical differences) but don't know how they differ in sound
:confused:

If i would eplain it i would say that class a always sounds full. Always means at every volume. Of course it sounds different when cranked up...it´s still a tube amp.
 
Joeytpg":1ltz7nza said:
nbarts":1ltz7nza said:
I think it's pretty clear what Schmidt is. It's a class a Diezel amp, as simple as that. Like any Diezel amp you won't confuse it with anything else.

then I'm the one who doesn't understand.

how does a class A amp sounds compared to a Class AB ? (I know the technical/theoretical differences) but don't know how they differ in sound
:confused:

I guess you'll have to buy it then. :lol: :LOL:
 
Good Morning Joey.
I just saw your post. I have a Schmidt in the mail from Peter as we type.
I am still using both the combo Einstein, and Olaf's Alizee, depending on the work.

I have read some good comments here, but I look at it differently.
Vintage tone is what one interprets it to be, as one has come to know it.

Everyone has their own interpretation of "vintage tone".

I do a lot of pop, blues, and commercial music. I have owned every Diezel amp and had no problem getting any tone in my head from any of them. I have studied 1940's jazz, and classical and I know I can get those tones from any Diezel amp as well, with ease.

It gets down to the player's ability to dial it up and the guitar, which is going to add to the sound the amp produces. Tubes and speakers can help get you more into the territory you seek tone-wise.

I have not heard the Schmidt, but I don't need to hear it to know what I can get from it.

Fender cleans are possibly the hardest to reproduce on another company's amp, but I have come close using outboard EQ, the amp's dials, and a reverb that can approimate the Fender reverb tone. Fender guitars will also help authenticate this tone.

If you play in a band, the other instruments will hide some of the particular tonal aspects of a Vintage tone, or any tone to a point. In a recording situation, you will be able to have a clearer platform to possibly hear the tones you want more precisely, depending on how it is mixed, of course.

The only way I know of to get a true vintage tone is to use a vintage amp, such as an old Tweed Deluxe from the 50's or other type of vintage amp. Yes, there are companies that can come close, and satisfy a person's desire for a specific tone, but most vintage amps have a basic tone and only slight variations on this tone depending on the players abilities to coax other tones from the amp.

Try using any and all of the gear you already have to see how close you can get a vintage tone compared to a recording you can listen too and dial up your gear too approximate.

Remember that the tone you are hearing on a recording has gone through other gear in the studio. If you get to try out a vintage amp live, you may find the ability to emulate that tone easier, although don't expect any modern amp to get you a truly vintage tone.

In the end, you will need to compromise. Either you get an amp specifically built for a vintage tone, or you find a way to get close enough for the ear to accept the given tones from a more modern amp after you have tweaked it.

My personal experience has been that the average listening audience, not the musician or audiophile in the audience, will not have a problem thinking a vintage sound is being played if they recognize the song, and the tone is close. This is because they are mentally hearing the original in their head as you are playing it, and are listening more to the execution of the song then the tone.

As far as the Schmidt getting a vintage tone...there is enough flexibility in the amp based on what I have read about it, and having spoken with Peter and Olaf about it, to know that it will give me way more then I will ever need from it in any playing situation I will encounter.
Other's experiences and needs will of course, vary. :thumbsup:
 
Thank you bro, you're a very knowledgable person when it comes to tone and especially an awesome gentlemen!

You're correct once again, please write a review on the Schmidt as soon as you play it enough to form a solid opinion on it.


cheer my friend and merry xmass! :D
 
Thank you Joey :thumbsup:
I will give it a good going over and post a review as soon as it arrives and i work it over.
My best wishes to you for a wonderful holiday, Joey.
Stephen
 
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