Proof the Earth is round

I know they are combat rounds, but seem versatile as well, IE defense, hunting, target practice and so on. So I guess I was curious if either are a good candidate for 'Jack of all trades' whether one has an edge or undeniable advantage -- even cost, to Von's point.
The more accurate comparison would be 5.45x39.

Currently the AR is more versatile and can do most everything better. Where the kalashnikov shines is the reliability under adverse conditions and in my opinion better "knock down power" (that could create controversy so buckle up). It used to shine in the affordability department but politicians ruined that. And I don't really think I was wrong..... .311 for a 7.62x39. I need to bust out my micrometer and measure some TULA or Golden Tiger.
 
Ahem, .311 LOL


Yeah, the ammo thing really sucks cause it was the whole reason I bought into x39. I need to drop by Academy before the election.

@acceptance I have to agree with everything Floyd just said here. My only caveat is if you have a mildly disinterested woman in your life the AK is moron level easy to operate. I can train a ten year old child to use it in 2 minutes and how to field strip one in about five minutes. The AR is a little different, easy, but it has the weird charging handle plus the bolt hold open. My wife didn't have the strength to rack a FAL, another reason I decided to do what I did. The AR is pretty much the only affordable, sensible choice now though IMO.
I was just comparing it to the .308 ballistically. As a comparable American caliber. Certainly not saying they’re interchangeable.
 
The more accurate comparison would be 5.45x39.

Currently the AR is more versatile and can do most everything better. Where the kalashnikov shines is the reliability under adverse conditions and in my opinion better "knock down power" (that could create controversy so buckle up). It used to shine in the affordability department but politicians ruined that. And I don't really think I was wrong..... .311 for a 7.62x39. I need to bust out my micrometer and measure some TULA or Golden Tiger.
I don’t know how that can be disputed. 7.62 definitely wins in that department.

KPM. There’s a Kalashnikov I’d really like to have.

Zastava AKM is well regarded.
 
I don’t know how that can be disputed. 7.62 definitely wins in that department.

KPM. There’s a Kalashnikov I’d really like to have.

Zastava AKM is well regarded.
I always wanted a VEPR but I missed the boat. Heavy barrel with an RPK receiver, extra rigid. The Aresenals I've seen are nice stuff. Got a buddy who went bonkers with N-PAP and O-PAP's when they were everywhere, were pretty decent for the dough and he made him an SBR outta one. Ace folder, supressor, drum mag....pretty nasty portable little looter shooter.
 
Just curious as to what hypothetical shape flat-earthers believe:

Whether or not it's circular, square or whatever, what happens if you travel in a straight line in any direction?

If spherical, you always end up where you started, perceiving all-along a "flat" (elevation-wise, not counting the ups and downs of hills and mountains, which cancel themselves out anyway) journey.

If flat,

1) there must be a point at which you're gonna notice a steep downturn as you reach the edge and begin to curl underneath
2) how thin is this pancake?
3) what's underneath? A dark world?

Been curious about this all-along.
 
Hey I forgot all about the Fram2 mission planned for this year. Privately funded mission to fly over and research both poles.

Surely a non government funded mission such as this should prove the earth is round to those lagging behind right?

http://f2.com/
I'm pretty sure the US gov won't allow just any private company to shoot rockets in to space. I am guessing any company that is allowed is "vetted," highly regulated (Licensed/controlled) and coordinating with the US gov. But given that falcon heavy footage showed obvious curvature at 55,000 feet one doesn't even need to be a private space company. Anyone can launch a balloon with a camera.
 
Just curious as to what hypothetical shape flat-earthers believe:

Whether or not it's circular, square or whatever, what happens if you travel in a straight line in any direction?

If spherical, you always end up where you started, perceiving all-along a "flat" (elevation-wise, not counting the ups and downs of hills and mountains, which cancel themselves out anyway) journey.

If flat,

1) there must be a point at which you're gonna notice a steep downturn as you reach the edge and begin to curl underneath
2) how thin is this pancake?
3) what's underneath? A dark world?

Been curious about this all-along.
I really don't know but I suspect there are some deep secrets related to this issue that would blow people's minds. I am not necessarily suggesting it, but one group came up with a model that works similar to a video game screen where you go off one side and come in on the other (Right to left). Again, it's far fetched and I'm not suggesting it, but I think to truly account for all the "Problems" with flat and sphere models it has to be something else altogether.
 
As I recall the independent folks that have sent balloons way up (Can't remember altitudes) say it just looks flat and seems to extend forever no matter how high you go.
 
Whether or not it's circular, square or whatever, what happens if you travel in a straight line in any direction?

If spherical, you always end up where you started, perceiving all-along a "flat" (elevation-wise, not counting the ups and downs of hills and mountains, which cancel themselves out anyway) journey.
Something else to consider is that one's determination of a straight line has to be relative to some external measure over long distances. Especially at sea for example this can get confusing. Lisa mentioned ships used stars, not compasses. Can this be done for circumnavigating the whole earth? ...It could be that people think they are going straight but aren't.
 
Something else to consider is that one's determination of a straight line has to be relative to some external measure over long distances. Especially at sea for example this can get confusing. Lisa mentioned ships used stars, not compasses. Can this be done for circumnavigating the whole earth? ...It could be that people think they are going straight but aren't.
Honestly if you put me in any place in Australia with a clear sky at night I could tell you wear south is straight away. It's easy. You just look for the circumpolar southern constellations and you can easily tell where the South Celestial Pole is by extending lines from various constellations - you learn how to do it because for equatorial telescope you need to point the mount at the pole so it tracks correctly. For Northern hemisphere navigators it's even easier - Polaris might not be exactly at the North Celestial Pole but it's near as dammit.

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Something else to consider is that one's determination of a straight line has to be relative to some external measure over long distances. Especially at sea for example this can get confusing. Lisa mentioned ships used stars, not compasses. Can this be done for circumnavigating the whole earth? ...It could be that people think they are going straight but aren't.
This appears to collide with something and suddenly stop it's ascent. Earth is curved until you realize "earth" in this video is just like Nevada or something.

 
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