Proof the Earth is round

Ben Waylin said:
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I think they sell those at wal-mart. Cheep meet.
 
VonBonfire said:
You ask good questions.

If any tom dick or harry can pull off the same miracles as Jesus that would diminish the work of the gospel. What set him, and many early church fathers apart, is that they could perform those miracles IN CHRIST, not outside of it. If it were just a process then those outside Christ would also perform them and diminish man's desire to turn to him in prayer because they can do it themselves.
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I guess its that I'm looking at it as the process of how it happens is the miracle more than the act of performing it. And just because others could do similar doesn't mean they could do it as well as Christ and wouldn't take away from Christ being God. Sort of like people can copy a plexi circuit but it won't be as good as a true vintage Marshall and would take nothing away from one.
 
This is decent discussion on spacetime and the speed of light reference @MadAsAHatter was bringing up. I'm still playing catch up so may be missing points here and there.

I purposely set it right before the quick back-story starting with Galileo.

 
MadAsAHatter said:
What she's talking about is a trap scientists can fall into; overcomplicating the model to fit the data, or trying to force the data to fit the model. But that's fairly limited and usually comes into play with theoretical science; in the case she mentioned particle physics. It's usually a matter of their brain getting in the way; hearing hoof steps and thinking zebra instead of horse. It doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination. It seems like you've dug your heels into the sand with your opinion about science & scientist.
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I know the criticism was specific to an esoteric branch of science and also that she would probably not appreciate my use of her video in this context, but I think her critiques are applicable to more than you might recognize. I think if you asked, "What if we're wrong" about "accepted" scientific theory, you'd see what I mean about indoctrination. Look at the reaction people get when questioning scientific dogmas — vaccines, global warming, germ theory and so on. In science and academia there exists a very rigid social structure and hierarchy where challenges are actually not encouraged. The aspiring scientist is there to receive knowledge, not challenge it. And the esteemed scientist will not risk is reputation even if he harbors doubts about a theory. In other words, scientists are humans, subject to all the group social dynamics that humans create and maintain.
MadAsAHatter said:
It's rather ironic you posted that video because you are doing the exact same with the whole ball earth denial thing she's talking about. You're trying to force the data to fit your preferred model instead of letting the data guide you to the simple explanation.
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No I'm not. I'm maintaining a healthy skepticism about extraordinary — and to my mind — nonsensical claims, rationalizations and explanations. There is no more straightforward evidence than that which you can see with your own two eyes. But there is always a reason why what you see is not actually what it is with people given to the globe earth.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
I guess its that I'm looking at it as the process of how it happens is the miracle more than the act of performing it. And just because others could do similar doesn't mean they could do it as well as Christ and wouldn't take away from Christ being God. Sort of like people can copy a plexi circuit but it won't be as good as a true vintage Marshall and would take nothing away from one.
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It's like holy communion. How does the bread and wine become the body and blood? It is meant to be a mystery. Something is miraculous because it defies human logic and rational understanding. If you "copied" it using other means it would be occultic/alchemical/magickal, not scientific. Science is the study of the physical and natural world. With the miraculous we are talking about something spiritual and super natural i.e beyond the laws of nature; not able to be explained. It is by definition, outside the scope of scientific study because the mechanism is not observable nor able to be studied.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Absolutely. Not that I have any. Kalashnikov was the Russian JMB.
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I stumbled on a bunch of stuff cleaning out an old shed today. Trunions, 40 round mags, trigger groups, buttstocks, etc. There is some other hard to find stuff in there too let's just say some pretty high dollar and hard to find parts kits. Big box of SKS stocks. Buncha gernman wwII stuff. Just waiting to find out if the owner is gonna let me haul it off. No biggie either way but I'd like to score the magazines if nothing else. Probably make a few bucks on the rest of it.
 
VonBonfire said:
I stumbled on a bunch of stuff cleaning out an old shed today. Trunions, 40 round mags, trigger groups, buttstocks, etc. There is some other hard to find stuff in there too let's just say some pretty high dollar and hard to find parts kits. Big box of SKS stocks. Buncha gernman wwII stuff. Just waiting to find out if the owner is gonna let me haul it off. No biggie either way but I'd like to score the magazines if nothing else. Probably make a few bucks on the rest of it.
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Yeah. That's a nice haul.

I been meaning to get around to AKs. People tell me the Russian ones are crap, but I want one anyway. Almost bought a PSAK-47, but went for a shotgun instead. Maybe get me one for Christmas.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Yeah. That's a nice haul.

I been meaning to get around to AKs. People tell me the Russian ones are crap, but I want one anyway. Almost bought a PSAK-47, but went for a shotgun instead. Maybe get me one for Christmas.
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The VEPR is the best one IMO though a bit heavier IMO. Thicker barrel, thicker receiver. I missed the boat on them but I had already bought a nice Romy G so couldn't justify it. The Arsenal models are really nice too.

acceptance said:
So gun guys, is the 7.62 better than 5.56 or what?
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I personally prefer a 7.62x51 over either of those but at the time I needed something the x39 was cheap and available. It thumps deer on the level of a 30-30 in my experience, which is pretty effective. But the cartridge and the rifles are generally less accurate. I would rather have the 7.62 than the 5.56 but that's me. Truthfully I would recommend an AR15 over an AK at this stage in the game if you are just getting started. The whole ammo availability and price point for quality has sort of flipped opposite of what it used the past ten years.
 
acceptance said:
So gun guys, is the 7.62 better than 5.56 or what?
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Better for what ?

7.62x39 is basically .308 so on the level of a typical deer rifle. 5.56 is .223. That is caliber wise, a .22 You can kill deer with anything I guess but that’s not the purpose of 5.56. The military wanted something to replace the M14. Something that a GI could carry a lot of ammo for and still neutralize targets out to 300 meters. 5.56 is designed to yaw when it hits soft tissue.

Personally, for me 7.62 ( AK47) would be a novelty. I have better and more accurate rifles for deer and better rifles for long range target shooting. AR10s which are generally .308 are good for pigs. I prefer a BAR in 30-06 for deer and elk, especially in the mountains or somewhere you’ll be shooting at a good distance. I have many lever action .30 cal and 30-30 for Missouri brush but the last couple of decades I mostly hunted with an unscoped 8.5” .44 magnum revolver. Or a bow.

If you want something that’s a lot of fun to shoot at the range and will double as a high capacity, lightweight defensive weapon it’s hard to beat a carbine length AR-15 with a quality red/green dot. And ammo is much cheaper.
Lately I’ve been having a hell of a lot of fun with old, scoped .22 rifles though.
 
Floyd Eye said:
7.62x39 is basically .308
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Ahem, .311 LOL

Floyd Eye said:
If you want something that’s a lot of fun to shoot at the range and will double as a high capacity, lightweight defensive weapon it’s hard to beat a carbine length AR-15 with a quality red/green dot. And ammo is much cheaper.
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Yeah, the ammo thing really sucks cause it was the whole reason I bought into x39. I need to drop by Academy before the election.

@acceptance I have to agree with everything Floyd just said here. My only caveat is if you have a mildly disinterested woman in your life the AK is moron level easy to operate. I can train a ten year old child to use it in 2 minutes and how to field strip one in about five minutes. The AR is a little different, easy, but it has the weird charging handle plus the bolt hold open. My wife didn't have the strength to rack a FAL, another reason I decided to do what I did. The AR is pretty much the only affordable, sensible choice now though IMO.
 
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