Proof the Earth is round

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VonBonfire said:
God doesn't care about our secular knowledge level.
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God created us. There is nothing wrong with human knowledge however human knowledge and the pursuit thereof to the exclusion of God and his truths is where things go wrong. The fact that the Earth is spherical is not something that contridicts God. God created the Earth and the whole universe. You should marvel at it. It's part of God's "general revelation". It attests to his greatness. We should not be some weird luddite that drives people away from God by being so stubborn you make Christians look like fools who deny reality.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
That is actually what would happen. You would perceive time as you normally do. those 10 seconds would be 10 seconds. To someone who was watching you those 10 seconds to you would be an instant to them. How time is passes and is perceived is dependent on the observer.

Seems like you are getting it, it just hasn't quite clicked all the way to make full sense.
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Ok, how do we know that ? Because Einstein theorized it ? Because atomic clocks move slower at light speed ? When you say it would be an instant to an observer, how can you know or prove it ?

Again, I’m not saying it’s not that way, I’m saying A) I don’t know that for certain and B) why would anyone assume that ? What is it that made Einstein think that ?
 
VonBonfire said:
In orthodoxy during divine liturgy it is said that time is suspended and we enter into the temporal space of the eternal.
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Ok, assuming that’s true, we’re talking about something being manipulated by an omnipotent being. Not a by product of a natural occurrence.
 
Floyd Eye said:
If that’s true then what humans think of as time is completely different than whatever it is Einstein was referring to.
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I think physicists think how we perceive time is sort of an illusion because really it's space-time and time is not really separable on its own.
 
acceptance said:
Actually shimmering water effects are in excellent example of a real life mirage. On the other hand, a mirage isn't a lifelike "holographic" reproduction of the Chicago skyline or boats 6 miles down a canal. The other thing is if you're in a desert and you see a mirage of water, when you walk there the water is not there. In the case of the Chicago skyline, if you travel across lake Michigan, guess what you find?
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But the same principles can also cause you to see things that are actually there
 
Thumbpicker said:
God created us. There is nothing wrong with human knowledge however human knowledge and the pursuit thereof to the exclusion of God and his truths is where things go wrong. The fact that the Earth is spherical is not something that contridicts God. God created the Earth and the whole universe. You should marvel at it. It's part of God's "general revelation". It attests to his greatness. We should not be some weird luddite that drives people away from God by being so stubborn you make Christians look like fools who deny reality.
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Real Christians aren't to be concerned about the worldly-minded judgments of others or there would be no faith, hello. And God doesn't require secular head-knowledge to enter into the kingdom. It's irrelevant to him. Worldly knowledge puffs people up with pride, but love edifies.

Floyd Eye said:
Ok, assuming that’s true, we’re talking about something being manipulated by an omnipotent being. Not a by product of a natural occurrence.
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Those two things are inseparable if there is a creator God. If there is not a creator God then we should live doing only what brings earthly pleasure to us i.e hedonism. I would probably start by robbing wells fargo and then shooting at people I didn't like one handed with a pistol and a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 in my other hand to steady my aim.
 
It's a bit like believing our modern AI programs could have developed without intelligence from a sea of primordial cuneiform or something.
 
acceptance said:
It was a generalized criticism. You should know that I appreciate the practice of science. I think it's cool to want to learn more about how the world works, try to figure it out and use to human advantage. What I'm getting at is a mindset that scientists fall into — or rather that they are indoctrinated into — because of how academia and the "System" works. Here is a great example describing these problems:

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What she's talking about is a trap scientists can fall into; overcomplicating the model to fit the data, or trying to force the data to fit the model. But that's fairly limited and usually comes into play with theoretical science; in the case she mentioned particle physics. It's usually a matter of their brain getting in the way; hearing hoof steps and thinking zebra instead of horse. It doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination. It seems like you've dug your heels into the sand with your opinion about science & scientist.

It's rather ironic you posted that video because you are doing the exact same with the whole ball earth denial thing she's talking about. You're trying to force the data to fit your preferred model instead of letting the data guide you to the simple explanation. Straight forward evidence is presented and you keep overcomplicating everything trying to deny evidence. Seriously, what's less complicated? The earth is a sphere or governments throughout all time have been suppressing the truth from everyone without a single bit of it leaking out?
 
VonBonfire said:
Real Christians aren't to be concerned about the worldly-minded judgments of others or there would be no faith, hello. And God doesn't require secular head-knowledge to enter into the kingdom. It's irrelevant to him. Worldly knowledge puffs people up with pride, but love edifies.


Those two things are inseparable if there is a creator God. If there is not a creator God then we should live doing only what brings earthly pleasure to us i.e hedonism. I would probably start by robbing wells fargo and then shooting at people I didn't like one handed with a pistol and a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 in my other hand to steady my aim.
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Wild Turkey ? Eeek. Wellers my man. I mean you might as well have the good stuff.
 
VonBonfire said:
And God doesn't require secular head-knowledge to enter into the kingdom. It's irrelevant to him. Worldly knowledge puffs people up with pride, but love edifies.
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No God doesn't require anything... but God created us and gave us a brain. You are allowed to use it. Just not to idolise it. You can learn human things like Solomon and still know the truth of God and not idolise human knowledge. Ultimately it is meaningless and won't get you to heaven but it's not meaningless in the sense that you can't know what's going on in God's creation.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
What she's talking about is a trap scientists can fall into; overcomplicating the model to fit the data, or trying to force the data to fit the model. But that's fairly limited and usually comes into play with theoretical science; in the case she mentioned particle physics. It's usually a matter of their brain getting in the way; hearing hoof steps and thinking zebra instead of horse. It doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination. It seems like you've dug your heels into the sand with your opinion about science & scientist.

It's rather ironic you posted that video because you are doing the exact same with the whole ball earth denial thing she's talking about. You're trying to force the data to fit your preferred model instead of letting the data guide you to the simple explanation. Straight forward evidence is presented and you keep overcomplicating everything trying to deny evidence. Seriously, what's less complicated? The earth is a sphere or governments throughout all time have been suppressing the truth from everyone without a single bit of it leaking out?
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Theoretical physics is interesting to me even though I don’t understand it. Like string theory. Fascinating shit. No idea what it is or how I would describe it to someone.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Wild Turkey ? Eeek. Wellers my man. I mean you might as well have the good stuff.
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I'm a blues player, that means I am not very picky about alcoholic beverages but it also means no kiddie drinks like fireball and peach schnapps either. As a conservative I no longer consume Anheuser products either.
 
VonBonfire said:
I'm a blues player, that means I am not very picky about alcoholic beverages but it also means no kiddie drinks like fireball and peach schnapps either. As a conservative I no longer consume Anheuser products either.
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Wellers is none of those things brother. It is top shelf bourbon.
 
Thumbpicker said:
No God doesn't require anything... but God created us and gave us a brain. You are allowed to use it. Just not to idolise it. You can learn human things like Solomon and still know the truth of God and not idolise human knowledge. Ultimately it is meaningless and won't get you to heaven but it's not meaningless in the sense that you can't know what's going on in God's creation.
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Solomon is a good example. Solomon was wiser than anyone 1 Kings 4 31 and still fell into pure idolatry. Head knowledge stokes pride and arrogance whether we are talking about the shape of the world or how much we know about guitar gear. This is the problem with protestantism, it's core is scripture, head knowledge, but there is little there pointing the way to the inner life.
 
Thumbpicker said:
The devil's music! arrrrggghhh
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All secular music is worldly. All secular knowledge is worldly. None of it will be found in the heavenly kingdom. It will be forgotten. Just like Australian and American tax law will be forgotten. I'm digging it already. :LOL:
 
MadAsAHatter said:
Why would Got not care about it? It's part of us and we are his creation.
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Its not that he doesn't care about it, he just doesn't make value judgments on a person based on their knowledge (or lack thereof) of any given secular topic or worldly achievement. "God is not a respecter of persons". Romans 2 11
 
VonBonfire said:
Solomon is a good example. Solomon was wiser than anyone 1 Kings 4 31 and still fell into pure idolatry. Head knowledge stokes pride and arrogance whether we are talking about the shape of the world or how much we know about guitar gear. This is the problem with protestantism, it's core is scripture, head knowledge, but there is little there pointing the way to the inner life.
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Solomon still came to the right conclusion in Ecclesiastes. You can still have human knowledge and realise that God is the only thing that is important. That doesn't make all human knowledge wrong though. It's ultimately meaningless to your eternity though. As for your comment on Protestantism - you are judging. You know the early church made many mistakes. If you stray from what the Bible says you are making a mistake. Be careful you don't confuse your rituals for what the Bible and God actually tells you to do. God doesn't like empty rituals.
 
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