Proof the Earth is round

acceptance said:
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Unfortunately, we know it's a sphere. Sticking your head in the sand like and Ostrich won't make it go away. Be happy the Bible doesn't actually come straight out and say it's a flat Earth. That's why I said it's amazing there's not all sorts of overt errors in the Bible. It can still be read by a modern person and God's truths are still there. When you go to Bible college you learn about hermeneutics. Here is a summary of what that is:

What are the 4 elements of hermeneutics?

There are generally four steps of the hermeneutical process – (1) understanding the historical and cultural context, (2) understanding the literary context, (3) making observations, and (4) drawing application. This process can help us approach any text of the Bible as we seek out God's intended meaning.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Sticking your head in the sand like and Ostrich won't make it go away.
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Clearly not sticking my head in the sand. I'm saying that photographs can be easily manipulated. Again, you guys are the ones resorting to "mirages" to explain being able to see things you shouldn't be able to see if the Earth was a sphere.
 
acceptance said:
Clearly not sticking my head in the sand. I'm saying that photographs can be easily manipulated. Again, you guys are the ones resorting to "mirages" to explain being able to see things you shouldn't be able to see if the Earth was a sphere.
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A mirage is a scientific occurrence. You just choose to equate it with a looney toon seeing a desert oasis in the distance
 
Thumbpicker said:
Be happy the Bible doesn't actually come straight out and say it's a flat Earth.
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Which is why the orthodox church doesn't categorically state "it's a spinning ball" because the bible doesn't even suggest the idea. If you say a circle implies that it's a ball then I say the Lord in Job 38 is implying the arrogance of those who say "this is how it is".

Regardless, what I do like about this thread is that if it were on any other forum heads would explode if anyone dared question the official story.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
A mirage is a scientific occurrence. You just choose to equate it with a looney toon seeing a desert oasis in the distance
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Actually shimmering water effects are in excellent example of a real life mirage. On the other hand, a mirage isn't a lifelike "holographic" reproduction of the Chicago skyline or boats 6 miles down a canal. The other thing is if you're in a desert and you see a mirage of water, when you walk there the water is not there. In the case of the Chicago skyline, if you travel across lake Michigan, guess what you find?
 
VonBonfire said:
That's great but that isn't what the bible says. I says nothing about spinning, about wobbling, about tilting, about an axis.
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"The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again."

Isaiah 24:20
 
VonBonfire said:
Which is why the orthodox church doesn't categorically state "it's a spinning ball" because the bible doesn't even suggest the idea. If you say a circle implies that it's a ball then I say the Lord in Job 38 is implying the arrogance of those who say "this is how it is".

Regardless, what I do like about this thread is that if it were on any other forum heads would explode if anyone dared question the official story.
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They don't categorically state it one way or another because the Bible doesn't actually say. Which makes it puzzling that you feel like you have to deny the obvious truth. I hope you saw that hermeneutics quote - because you are supposed to apply those principles when you interpret the Bible.
 
Ben Waylin said:
"The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again."

Isaiah 24:20
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O Lord please don't burn us, don't grill or toast your flock.
Don't put us on the barbecue, or simmer us in stock.
Don't braise or bake or boil us or stir fry us in a wok.
Oh please don't lightly poach us or baste us with hot fat.
Don't fricassee or roast us or boil us in a vat,
and please don't stick thy servant Lord in a Rotissomat.

 
Thumbpicker said:
They don't categorically state it one way or another because the Bible doesn't actually say. Which makes it puzzling that you feel like you have to deny the obvious truth. I hope you saw that hermeneutics quote - because you are supposed to apply those principles when you interpret the Bible.
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Correct, they don't categorically state it one way or another, hence the stance of the orthodox church. I did see the hermeneutics quote. I don't deny that it isn't a ball, I question it. Orthodoxy denies that anyone can say for certain, so you are arguing with the church fathers more than you are me.
 
VonBonfire said:
Correct, they don't categorically state it one way or another, hence the stance of the orthodox church. I did see the hermeneutics quote. I don't deny that it isn't a ball, I question it. Orthodoxy denies that anyone can say for certain, so you are arguing with the church fathers more than you are me.
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We are allowed to know things that the Bible doesn't cover or have happened over the last few millennia. Do you know how to wire up an electric guitar? It's not hidden knowledge. It's not evil to know the Earth is a sphere.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
It’s shown in practice everyday as well. GPS satellites have to constantly adjust their clocks so they don’t stray from the clocks they are connecting to back on earth
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I get that but as I alluded to earlier, those are just clocks. It may be the most accurate clock known to mankind, but it doesn’t mean that since those atoms move slower that a human body would. That is it may mean that, but it’s not provable. What I’m getting at is that if I were in a spaceship moving at the speed of light and I coyotes out ten seconds, 1 and 2 and 3 and, etc. I’m not convinced I would be counting slower. I would perceive ten seconds the same as I do now. I think.

It seems to me that what we think of as “ time” may be something different than what Einstein theorized.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I get that but as I alluded to earlier, those are just clocks. It may be the most accurate clock known to mankind, but it doesn’t mean that since those atoms move slower that a human body would. That is it may mean that, but it’s not provable. What I’m getting at is that if I were in a spaceship moving at the speed of light and I coyotes out ten seconds, 1 and 2 and 3 and, etc. I’m not convinced I would be counting slower. I would perceive ten seconds the same as I do now. I think.

It seems to me that what we think of as “ time” may be something different than what Einstein theorized.
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I agreed with all of this up until the last sentence because what you said in the first paragraph is what Einstein thought.

You would perceive it the same. An observer might perceive it differently.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
Another way to look at it is how we see things that are far away. For example if we look at a star that is 100 light years away, we are seeing it how it was 100 years ago.
It took the light we are seeing, 100 years to reach us, it has been traveling for 100 years, but we as the observers are seeing it as it was being created.

It’s all relative
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I think about that all the time. We could and probably often are looking at images of stars that no longer exist. Even thinking about those beans of light traveling for 100 years to get here doesn’t really give me a firm grasp of time moving any faster or slower. A second is a measurement. And by our ( mankind’s) own definition of the length of that second, where we are or how fast we’re moving doesn’t change that unit of measurement. To us a second is a second under any conditions. So if our bodies and everything else ages slower at light speed then don’t we have to be talking about something other than what we know as time ? Because to us, the people who invented the unit of measurement of time, time is always measured exactly the same way.
 
Thumbpicker said:
I agreed with all of this up until the last sentence because what you said in the first paragraph is what Einstein thought.

You would perceive it the same. An observer might perceive it differently.
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If that’s true then what humans think of as time is completely different than whatever it is Einstein was referring to.
 
Floyd Eye said:
What I’m getting at is that if I were in a spaceship moving at the speed of light and I coyotes out ten seconds, 1 and 2 and 3 and, etc. I’m not convinced I would be counting slower. I would perceive ten seconds the same as I do now. I think.
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That is actually what would happen. You would perceive time as you normally do. those 10 seconds would be 10 seconds. To someone who was watching you those 10 seconds to you would be an instant to them. How time is passes and is perceived is dependent on the observer.

Seems like you are getting it, it just hasn't quite clicked all the way to make full sense.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I think about that all the time. We could and probably often are looking at images of stars that no longer exist. Even thinking about those beans of light traveling for 100 years to get here doesn’t really give me a firm grasp of time moving any faster or slower. A second is a measurement. And by our ( mankind’s) own definition of the length of that second, where we are or how fast we’re moving doesn’t change that unit of measurement. To us a second is a second under any conditions. So if our bodies and everything else ages slower at light speed then don’t we have to be talking about something other than what we know as time ? Because to us, the people who invented the unit of measurement of time, time is always measured exactly the same way.
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In orthodoxy during divine liturgy it is said that time is suspended and we enter into the temporal space of the eternal.
 
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