Proof the Earth is round

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Floyd Eye said:
The response in the US was absolutely politically motivated. I have no opinion about what other countries did. Most of them already overreach their authority or are given ridiculous amounts of authority by the citizens themselves.
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It's obvious though that COVID was not about the US though. The response to it was politicised I agree however that's not unique to the US either.
 
Thumbpicker said:
No we are the greatest country in the world and you give nothing to us because we are independently rich. We also give aid to the rest of the world and don't get handouts. We developed a first world country the size of yours with a population of one of your states. Your country is third world compared to ours and your shithouse cities are falling apart (eg. Detroit). Social decay from top to bottom. You let slaves in and now their descendants run rampant in places like Chicago. There are so many other countries that are better. My house probably shits on yours. Our house sizes are equal to yours. We don't shoot up our schools and children in the name of freedumb. We are not encumbered by an arcane horse and cart constitution written by people with a chip on their shoulder after spitting the dummy at the British who were your own people anyway.
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In other words you like living under authoritarianism.
 
Thumbpicker said:
It's obvious though that COVID was not about the US though. The response to it was politicised I agree however that's not unique to the US either.
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Correct. Covid was a test run by the Chinese to see how long it would take for them to infect the world with a virus. And to see what the world's reaction to it would be. They laughed their asses off at us.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Mate by now it's the most tested vaccine on Earth. Billions have had it. Very few side effects like all the others. I've had 6 or 7 of them I'm built like Conan the Barbarian ;-)
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General disclaimer: Not intending to turn this into a COVID debate. I'm just stating my personal viewpoint after we've been several years removed from the pandemic. Anyone can have their opinion on the matter and take the vaccine if they choose. It makes little difference to me.

In the aspect of numbers who received the vaccine, yes it's highly likely it's the most tested. At least with typical FDA approval timelines we're just hitting the minimum timeframe for development and completion of testing. Standard FDA timeline is 5-15 years before it starts being released to the general public. So in that aspect it would be one of the least tested before being released to the public. I'm using FDA as a reference since I don't know the Australian equivalent and their guidelines.

Being 4-ish years in we've probably seen all but the most obscure side effects that would develop. Looking strictly at the numbers, percentage of those who experienced life altering, chronic side affects would by most accounts be considered negligible compared to the numbers who received the vaccine. That said, I do get that looking a pure numbers is a crude way to view things when you're talking about peoples' lives, but sometimes that's how science needs to be to view things objectively. With the controversy attached to the COVID vaccine I fully understand peoples' continued apprehension about it. Even more so if they've had a negative personal experience associated with it; they themselves or someone close happened to be unlucky enough to experience one of those life altering side effects. If I were in that position there's a decent chance I'd advocate against it. I definitely do not agree with forced injections.

As far as efficacy, who freaking knows. Everything was so convoluted at that time so we may never really know. My opinion is if it's not already there it's on the way to being similar to the flu vaccine. They'll take a guess at the most likely strand(s) and hope they got it right.

Personally I've never taken the vaccine. In the beginning of everything I wasn't keen on taking an experimental vaccine and not comfortable with the risk. Now, I don't feel a need to take it since I've never contracted COVID. Same as the flu shot. I've gotten the flu all of twice in my entire life and it was pretty mild. So I don't feel the need to get one. When I make it to that age group that's more susceptible that may change.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
I've gotten the flu all of twice in my entire life and it was pretty mild. So I don't feel the need to get one. When I make it to that age group that's more susceptible that may change.
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Yes well I have risk factors so it was a no brainer for me.
 
VonBonfire said:
You an authoritarian fetish.
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Australia is higher on the freedom scale that the US - I remember posting a link to that some other time. There's more than one type of freedom.

How about freedom to walk the streets without getting shot by some crazy flat earth mofo.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Yes well I have risk factors so it was a no brainer for me.
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Maybe if you made an all fresh veg beef chili with fresh veg it it, and added a little vegemite...you'd have less risk factors..of hunger!
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MadAsAHatter said:
General disclaimer: Not intending to turn this into a COVID debate. I'm just stating my personal viewpoint after we've been several years removed from the pandemic. Anyone can have their opinion on the matter and take the vaccine if they choose. It makes little difference to me.

In the aspect of numbers who received the vaccine, yes it's highly likely it's the most tested. At least with typical FDA approval timelines we're just hitting the minimum timeframe for development and completion of testing. Standard FDA timeline is 5-15 years before it starts being released to the general public. So in that aspect it would be one of the least tested before being released to the public. I'm using FDA as a reference since I don't know the Australian equivalent and their guidelines.

Being 4-ish years in we've probably seen all but the most obscure side effects that would develop. Looking strictly at the numbers, percentage of those who experienced life altering, chronic side affects would by most accounts be considered negligible compared to the numbers who received the vaccine. That said, I do get that looking a pure numbers is a crude way to view things when you're talking about peoples' lives, but sometimes that's how science needs to be to view things objectively. With the controversy attached to the COVID vaccine I fully understand peoples' continued apprehension about it. Even more so if they've had a negative personal experience associated with it; they themselves or someone close happened to be unlucky enough to experience one of those life altering side effects. If I were in that position there's a decent chance I'd advocate against it. I definitely do not agree with forced injections.

As far as efficacy, who freaking knows. Everything was so convoluted at that time so we may never really know. My opinion is if it's not already there it's on the way to being similar to the flu vaccine. They'll take a guess at the most likely strand(s) and hope they got it right.

Personally I've never taken the vaccine. In the beginning of everything I wasn't keen on taking an experimental vaccine and not comfortable with the risk. Now, I don't feel a need to take it since I've never contracted COVID. Same as the flu shot. I've gotten the flu all of twice in my entire life and it was pretty mild. So I don't feel the need to get one. When I make it to that age group that's more susceptible that may change.
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I understand where you are coming from and appreciate the comment.
I never felt the virus was as bad as the world claimed and the mortality rate corroborates this. An innumerable amount of people died as a result of comorbidities and would have otherwise been just as bad with the straight flu virus. Have you ever really had the flu? I mean, really really had the flu. I had it one time at 31 years of age and it almost killed me. I got pneumonia in my left lung and almost died. I'm a body builder 6'2 235 with 12% body fat, very healthy and it ate my lunch. Really bad....
Having said that I still wouldn't take a vaccine, especially not one forced on me by the government. It infringes on our rights.
 
Thumbpicker said:
If you think it's authoritarianism here you are deluded. You know very well you are exaggerating because you have a gun fetish.
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it's difficult for me to understand how you could say that seeing as how your government was arresting and seizing people for being outside at the beach man. We all saw it. It was a breach of freedom.
 
MontiCristo said:
it's difficult for me to understand how you could say that seeing as how your government was arresting and seizing people for being outside at the beach man. We all saw it. It was a breach of freedom.
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Didn't obey quarantine regulations and thumbed their noses at people doing the right thing by others. Selfish bastards. Fuck them.
 
MontiCristo said:
then you should have stayed inside and practiced your freedom in that regard.
I don't have risk factors.
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No - because everyone else would have spread it and you do have to shop and people do have to serve you. Even in a nursing home all the nursing staff would have brought infections in.

Fucking retards with no brains.
 
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