Rebel 30 .. how reliable ???

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I was one of those guys who came on here to seek a solution after I bought my Rebel 30 head and blew a fuse within two weeks. It was the 6V6 power tubes, or at least one of them. Had them replaced with some JJ's. That was in early 2009. They're still in there.

Two months later, the same thing happened, and I blew a fuse because one of the EL84s took a dump. Had them replaced with GE NOS tubes. They too are still in there.

It may not quell Duane's concerns, but I think the amp just ships with shitty tubes because shitty tubes are cheap, and Bruce wants to make as much profit as he can. It's his prerogative as a business man.

But I have not had any issues since those two failures. And I don't carry spare tubes to gigs :doh: I need to, I know. But I do carry spare fuses, and if one side blows, I always have another side to get me through the gig.

That being said, I love the Rebel 30 (I use a pair of the 1x12 cabs like the OP is contemplating). From blues to country, pop to rock, hard rock to metal, this thing covers it all (I use a boost to get into metal territory, though). It's been an awesome club gigging amp, and has more than paid for itself. I probably play 2 to 3 shows a month with it and it's been going strong. So, there's my 2 cents....
 
What do you use for a solo boost ? I like you're rig there mate ;) My current rig as good as it sounds is overkill for going back to pub gigs, a Cornford MK50, two Cornford 2x12's and a G System.

You're set up looks great, I was thinking the same amp wise and maybe an M9 and a wah, probably a tuner too as i didn't like the one in the M13.
Can you run the M9 using four cables in the Egnater ? Nice to hear you're having fun live with it :rock:

I think Bruce should ship these amps with better more reliable tubes, and up the price to cover it. I've been Googling for info on this amp for days and there's mainly complaints about the tubes , can't be good for business or potential sales. Plus there's a helluva lot of used ones for sale :(
 
Hey Duane,

Webchat is not happeing tonight... Saw this on Eganter facebook.

"If you've gone to our website today, you've probably noticed it isn't working properly. Our web host decided today was a good day to switch servers. This unfortunately means no live chat tonight. We will reschedule it for the same time, next Thursday. Sorry to anyone who was looking to get on there tonight."

Rob
 
Update: no chat tonight, but I did speak with John who I considered to be very responsive to my questions and very patient with me also.

As expected, it's the tubes. No surprise there.

I commented that according to my observations this problem seems widespread. He maintains that it actually isn't, but that through the lens of the internet the relatively few failures get magnified. Still, to my way of thinking, if they sold 10,000 amps, a thousand failures is only ten percent, but that's still a lot of frustrated people. Be that as it may....

As to whether if those tubes are changed the problem will go away, he justifiably could offer no guarantees. I understand that. I asked straight up if there was a known design issue or a manufacturing issue causing the tubes to fail, and he told me straight out no.

That's good enough for me. I believe him. I have absolutely no basis on which I wouldn't.

I asked him what I should do if I change the tubes out and it happens again. He offered that I can call him back. Such a marked improvement from the other guy who shall remain nameless!

As I've said, I love the amp and want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I've gotten all the reassurances I can expect from a person that I trust knows what they're talking about. So John, thank you -- you have redeemed my faith in the company. I'll change the tubes -- both sets -- and see what happens.
 
musicmanmu":2dd6vs81 said:
I was one of those guys who came on here to seek a solution after I bought my Rebel 30 head and blew a fuse within two weeks. It was the 6V6 power tubes, or at least one of them. Had them replaced with some JJ's.

It may not quell Duane's concerns, but I think the amp just ships with shitty tubes because shitty tubes are cheap, and Bruce wants to make as much profit as he can. It's his prerogative as a business man.

But I have not had any issues since those two failures. And I don't carry spare tubes to gigs :doh: I need to, I know. But I do carry spare fuses, and if one side blows, I always have another side to get me through the gig....

Thanks for the info -- and yes, it does quell my concerns quite a bit. Thanks for posting.

Did the amp ship with Rubys?? I thought they might be JJs, but based on your post I guess not.

As for a businessman's prerogative, indeed it is, and I have no problem with them making as much money as they can. I'd like to continue to see products from them, and for them to be a thriving business. That's all great. But then again, there is a downside if a decision like that sullies one's good name, which this is most definitely doing. I'd rather pay a little more and have tubes I didn't have to replace immediately.

But from speaking with John, I didn't get the impression they thought switching tube sources would make much difference. I say that not because he told me directly, but because his position is that "all tubes are junk." That's what he told me, verbatim. Well, all the tubes in all the other amps I have downstairs didn't seem to be junk, but that's his position. What can I say?

By the way, I still think carrying spare tubes to a gig makes no sense. If touring with an amp tech in one's employ, yes -- a full set of diagnostic tools would be appropriate including a scope, a meter, spare parts, etc. But not doing a gig at the local dive. It's just not practical to take an amp apart in the middle of a set. If I was concerned about amp failure, I'd have a full-on spare amp on hand. I've never -- ever -- had to do that before, but as has been said here, the sad state of the tube supply may be forcing that upon us. If that's true, that sucks.

Thanks also to the other poster with the info about the chat being canceled -- you were right! I didn't get to ask all the things I intended to John, but I'm satisfied enough to try the new tubes I bought to see if I have the same happy outcome as musicmanmu.
 
Well, I will address some things in this thread. The thought that we purposely pick back tubes to ruin everyone's day is 100% not true. As every one of you have mentioned, the tubes failed after at least a couple weeks, which obviously is not something we can predict. We check the amps before they go out, but you can't tell a good tube from a bad one until it fails, and burning in amps for 2 weeks is just not something practical to do. This is why we offer a 90 warranty on your tubes, to cover just this sort of unfortunate occurance. I can tell you we don't pick bad tubes on purpose, because I am the one who personally tests a new type of tube before we use it. We do every sort of torture test we can find, including me hitting the tubes with a rubber screw driver handle, to see if a physical shock to them will make them fail. The thought that there is 1000 failed Rebel 30 amps out there is also inaccurate. Think about this for me. How many people who happily play their amp day after day go online randomly to say "I'm having a great day, and my amp didn't do anything out of the ordinary". We understand that the majority of the posts will be one of two things:

a) I just got this amp, and I love it
b) my amp is broken

I just had to address these few points before this thread went any further. But with all of this said, we are always looking to improve our amps, so I will offer this to you guys. If you can tell me what CURRENTLY PRODUCED tubes are more reliable, with testing to back it up, we will absolutely test them ourselves and consider using them.
 
"Think about this for me. How many people who happily play their amp day after day go online randomly to say "I'm having a great day, and my amp didn't do anything out of the ordinary". "

My point exactly. It is the few extremes that post. There must be thousands of people who are perfectly happy with their amps, but we only hear from the ones who had a tube blow, or the ones who are insanely crazy about it.
 
Well guys I've just been to GuitarGuitar in Newcastle (UK)

Firstly I was playing a Tweaker with one of the new USA Tyler Variax guitars WOW having heard all the youtube demos and clips I have to say they just don't do it any justice.
The range of sounds in this thing was amazing, not digital at all, the guitars were superb, the altered tunings worked real well and it was a superb guitar to play, neck was a bit chunky for me at the top, but fab all the same.
Thought the Tweaker was nice, lots of options and tones to be had but maybe a bit bright and tight for me.

The Rebel 30 however, my main reason for visiting totally sold me ... WHAT AN AMP !! The cleans were rich and full and warm, the gain was nice and compressed (which I like) and bags of sustain, the notes were singing. I loved this amp, so much I'm getting a Rebel 30 and two 1x12's on the next shipment in March.

One of THE best sounding amps I've played in a long time .... my Cornford rig is history now :)
 
Ian Egnater":30aduine said:
Well, I will address some things in this thread. The thought that we purposely pick back tubes to ruin everyone's day is 100% not true. As every one of you have mentioned, the tubes failed after at least a couple weeks, which obviously is not something we can predict. We check the amps before they go out, but you can't tell a good tube from a bad one until it fails, and burning in amps for 2 weeks is just not something practical to do. This is why we offer a 90 warranty on your tubes, to cover just this sort of unfortunate occurance. I can tell you we don't pick bad tubes on purpose, because I am the one who personally tests a new type of tube before we use it. We do every sort of torture test we can find, including me hitting the tubes with a rubber screw driver handle, to see if a physical shock to them will make them fail. The thought that there is 1000 failed Rebel 30 amps out there is also inaccurate. Think about this for me. How many people who happily play their amp day after day go online randomly to say "I'm having a great day, and my amp didn't do anything out of the ordinary". We understand that the majority of the posts will be one of two things:

a) I just got this amp, and I love it
b) my amp is broken

I just had to address these few points before this thread went any further. But with all of this said, we are always looking to improve our amps, so I will offer this to you guys. If you can tell me what CURRENTLY PRODUCED tubes are more reliable, with testing to back it up, we will absolutely test them ourselves and consider using them.
Len Rabinowitz":30aduine said:
"Think about this for me. How many people who happily play their amp day after day go online randomly to say "I'm having a great day, and my amp didn't do anything out of the ordinary". "

My point exactly. It is the few extremes that post. There must be thousands of people who are perfectly happy with their amps, but we only hear from the ones who had a tube blow, or the ones who are insanely crazy about it.
Pretty much my experience with my TM.
A couple of posts leading up to getting it, then a "this amp is awesome" post, a follow up post to say its still awesome and then not a much to say after that. One tube seemed to fail so I fixed the problem.
I knew what I wanted, the amp filled the need as expected....couldnt think of much else to say without just repeating myself so I didnt post any more about it.
 
Hi,

I've also seen a number of posts from people reporting reliability issues with the Rebel 30. I have been using a Rebel 30 for several months now and I haven't had any issues.

I have a Rebel 30 combo and 1x12 extension. I have been gigging with this setup for a number of months, playing at least 2 shows per week and this amp has been reliable so far (knock on wood).

I can say that I did use a Rivera Doyle Dykes amp a number of years ago, and experienced a huge amount of reliabilty issues with that amp. I use to blow out power tubes in the middle of gigs on a regular basis and finally stopped playing tube amps for several years because of this experience with the Rivera amp. After missing the fat tube tone I decided to give it another chance, which is when I switched to the Rebel 30.

I play in a band that does lots of retro rock (Beach Boys, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, etc), as well as country, and classic rock. This amp delivers all of that with no problem. I'm always getting compliments on the tone. I have been very pleased so far.

I'm using a Fulltone OCD on my pedal board for the higher-gain stuff, when needed. I use the clean channel on the Rebel 30 for about 80% of what I need. I also use a Boss compressor so that I can kick in a little boost and sustain when I need to send the clean channel into a little punchier sound. This works fantastic for getting rock-a-billy or country tones, especially with a little slap-back echo.

Overall, I've had a very positive experience with this amp, and I absolutely love the compact size, which makes it perfect for small venues where I need to cover lots of tones, with very little space to setup.

--Jim
 
Ian Egnater":1bj9nrcn said:
Well, I will address some things in this thread. ...

First, thank you for responding to our concerns.

When I removed the tubes, I noticed they have the Egnater brand on them and they say they were tested. What can I conclude about that? Perhaps it's not the tubes at all! I have no idea. My tubes had ten hours on them since they were tested.

Given that

- the manual goes so far as to suggest carrying extra tubes (something I've not heard of before -- no advice as to how one rebiases in the middle of a set)

- the artwork in the manual shows a 250mA fuse and the amp came with a 315,

- there do seem to be many instances of these fuses blowing (the guesstimate 1000 based on ten percent of 10,000 units sold -- is ten percent an unreasonable assumption as well?)

- these tubes were tested with very few subsequent service hours on them, and

- no other amp I've ever encountered exhibited these issues

Given all that, I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider whether it may be something in the design or manufacturing that's causing these problems. I'm not saying that's the case, but I hope you'll agree that's not an illogical or unfair question to ask based on what I've cited. I don't know what to think -- all I'm hearing is "all tubes are bad." This assertion simply does not comport with my experience with a basement full of amps, from recent to vintage.

You know what? Of all those amps, I love the Rebel 30 the best. I'd like nothing better than to be able to rely on this amplifier, believe me. I love it so much, I'm retubing the entire power section at my own cost. I don't mind absorbing that cost if it fixes the problem.

But should I continue to see fuses blow in this amp exclusively of all the others I own, what is my recourse? That's the bottom line for me. If you tell us you stand behind your product, that's good enough for me -- I believe you. But I need someone somewhere to say that to truly alleviate my concerns.

Finally, here's some feedback on currently produced tubes.

http://www.svvintageamps.com/tubes.php

My in-house test data has shown GT to have one of the lowest fallout rates of tubes that don’t (huh? -DG) meet my standards. GT’s, JJ’s, TAD’s, and Russian Tung-Sol 5881 & 6V6’s, and Mullard tubes have been running around 2% fallout rate, EH tubes around 5% to 10% and Sovtek and SED-C tubes around 15%. I’ve suffered through fallout rates of between 25% to 45% for most Chinese branded tubes … I don’t carry these brands anymore!

Rubys are of Chinese origin I believe.

Thanks for listening.

Duane
 
the artwork in the manual shows a 250mA fuse and the amp came with a 315,

- there do seem to be many instances of these fuses blowing (the guesstimate 1000 based on ten percent of 10,000 units sold -- is ten percent an unreasonable assumption as well?)
I posted a link above about the fuses. In case no one read it the meat of it was:
With all these fuse & tube problems did your amp tech ever change the the fuse to a higher capacity 500 type.

I took my R30 for a tube swap soon after I bought it just to try different tubes & not forced by any failure. My amp temp looked at the fuse and opined that Egnater had underpowered it and it would likely cause problems in blown fuses & tubes in future. He swapped a 500 in - took 30 seconds and cost 25 cents.

That was 1 year ago and I've had zero prob's with my R30
I'd be interested in hearing if this is a good, bad, or indifferent idea.
 
Duane":1s8fdz8w said:
the manual goes so far as to suggest carrying extra tubes (something I've not heard of before -- no advice as to how one rebiases in the middle of a set)

It's so clear to me and most other normal people that they put that in the manual as a piece of helpful information. The fact that you've never seen it before should only tell you that they care enough to give out helpful hints like that whereas most other manufactures don't. And it's fairly annoying to me that you keep harping on it like they need to apologize for being helpful to their customers. I mean how many frickin' times are you going to bring that up in this one thread?

HOW COULD YOU TELL ME TO CARRY SPARE TUBES? Uh, probably because they're fragile glass objects and have failed on other people using ANY brand of tube amp countless times in the history of guitar tube amps? And your only defense is that one fender amp that's never given you a problem. So that one experience with that one amp has taught you everything you ever need to know about tube amps.

But no, lets not accept that they may be trying to help us. Let's put on our tin foil hats and say it's a consipiracy! They're giving us bad tubes on purpose! Obviously! Because that's the best way to make millions! And they would've gotten away with it too! If not for that pesky Duane and his vast tube amp knowledge!
 
Sorry, I just could not sit idle while being accused of caring more about making money than making good gear. Below you can see how cold hearted and deceitful many other companies are, too. These are pages directly from their respective owner's manuals. I like to think of us as being as open and helpful as possible. There is no conspiracy here. We don't keep secrets and really do care about everyone who owns any of our stuff. I find it interesting (strange) that offering useful information in our manuals and Technotes (at egnateramps.com) is viewed by some as somehow covering our butts by coming right out and admitting we make junk that we know will fail. I recently did a number of training sessions for Guitar Center employees so that they could better understand our products. At those sessions, I was told more than once that our owner's manuals are viewed as the defacto" amp manuals that other companies should follow because of all the useful information we provide. Please note that many amps do not have a separate fuse for the power tubes. Consequently, if a power tube does blow, it can often damage other things inside because the SloBlo Main fuse needs to blow to protect the amp. Notice the term SLoBLo, which means that fuse can hold for quite a long time before it blows, even when a tube is severly shorted. Having the additional low current fuse clearly helps protect the amp against a shorted tube quicker and more efficiently than waiting for the Main fuse to blow even though it may seem like a nuisance to some folks.

Mesa Boogie
: There are two main types of tube faults: shorts and noise. Both large and small tubes may fall prey to either of these problems but diagnosis and remedy is usually simple.If a fuse blows, the problem is most likely a shorted power tube and shorts can either be mild or severe. In a mildly shorted tube the electron flow has overcome the control grid and excess current flows to the plate. You will usually hear the amp become distorted and begin to hum slightly. If this occurs, quickly look at the power tubes as you switch the amp to STANDBY and try to identify one as glowing red hot. It is likely that two of a pair will be glowing since the “shorted” tube will pull down the bias for its adjacent mates, but one tube may be glowing hotter — and that one is the culprit. The other two are often fine — unless they’ve been glowing bright red for several minutes.
Because there is no physical short inside the tube (just electrons rioting out of control) merely switching to STANDBY for a few moments then back to ON will usually cure the problem...at least temporarily. Watch the tubes carefully now. Should the problem recur, the intermittent tube will visibly start to over heat before the others and thus it can be identified. It should be replaced with one from the same color batch, shown on its label. Call us and we will send one out to you. The severe short is not nearly so benign. In the worst cases, a major arcing short occurs between the plate and the cathode with visible lightning inside the glass and a major noise through the speaker. If this is seen to happen, IMMEDIATELY turn the amp to STANDBY. By this time the fuse probably will have blown. Such a short is usually caused by a physical breakdown inside the tube including contaminate coming loose or physical contact (or near contact) between the elements. Replace it and the fuse with the proper type and power up the amp using the power up procedure as we described earlier in this manual.TU Often caused by contamination within in a tube, the culprit can usually be identified, and by lightly tapping on the glass, you will probably hear the noise change. Hearing some noise through the speakers while tapping on the 12AX7’s is normal however. And the one nearer the INPUT will always sound louder because its output is being further amplified by the second 12AX7. The power tubes should be all but quiet when they are tapped. If crackling or hissing changes with the tapping, you have probably found the problem. To confirm a noisy power tube, merely put the RECTO on Standby, remove it from its socket and turn it back on. It will cause no damage to run the RECTO briefly with one power tube missing. You may notice a slight background hum, however, as the push-pull becomes unbalanced. Whenever you are trying to diagnose a suspect tube, keep your other hand on the POWER and STANDBY switches ready to shut them off instantly in the unlikely case you provoke a major short. If you think you’ve located a problem tube but aren’t sure, we recommend substituting the suspect with a new one just to be sure of your diagnoses. You will be doing yourself and us a big favor by just following the simple guidelines previously mentioned regarding tube replacement. You’ll probably be successful with much less effort than is required to disconnect everything and haul the unit to a technician who will basically perform the same simple tests. If the tubes are still within their six-month warranty period, we will happily send you a replacement. Just note the color designation on the tube label so that we can send you the appropriate match.
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D: Because your amplifier is an all tube design, it is quite possible that you will at some point experience minor pre-amp tube noise. Rest assured - this is no cause for alarm and you can take care of the problem yourself in a matter of minutes by simply swapping tubes.
Let us begin by saying; It is a “very good” idea to keep at least a couple of spare pre-amp tubes on hand at all times to insure uninterrupted performance. These minor pre-amp tube problems can take many forms but can generally be described in two categories: Noise and Microphonics. Noise can be in the form of crackling, sputtering, white noise/hiss and/or hum. Microphonic
problems usually appear in the form of a ringing or high pitched squealing that gets worse as the gain or volume is increased thus are more noticeable in the higher gain “HI” modes. Microphonic problems are easily identified because the problem is still present even with the instruments’ volume off or unplugged altogether - unlike pick-up feedback which ceases as the instrument is turned down. Microphonic noise is caused by mechanical vibration and shock: think of banging a microphone around and you’ll understand where the word came from.
The best way to approach a pre-amp tube problem is to see if it occurs only in one specific mode or channel. This should lead you to the tube needing replacement. Then all that remains is to swap the suspect tube for a known good performer. If you cannot narrow down the trouble to a specific mode or channel, the problem may be the small tube that drives the power tubes
which is operational in all modes and channels. Though rare, a problem with the driver tube would show up in all aspects of performance - so if you can’t narrow the problem down to being mode or channel specific, you may want to try replacing the driver tube. Driver problems generally show themselves in the form of crackling or hum in all modes of performance and/or weak overall output from the amplifier. Occasionally an anemic driver tube will cause the amplifier to sound flat and lifeless, but this is somewhat uncommon, as worn power tubes are a more likely suspect for this type of problem. Sometimes making the diagnosis is more trouble than it’s worth and it’s faster and easier to merely replace the small pre-amp tubes ONE AT A TIME with a replacement known to be good. But MAKE SURE you keep returning the tubes to their original socket until you hit the one that cures the problem. You’ll notice that tubes located nearer to the INPUT jack always sound noisier...but this is because they are at the start of the chain and their noise gets amplified over and over by the tubes that follow. The tube that goes into this “input socket” (usually labeled V1) needs to be the least noisy of the bunch. The tube that goes at the end of the preamp chain - just ahead of the power tubes - can be quite noisy without causing any problem at all. The tubes in your amp have already been
located in the most appropriate sockets and this is why you should NEVER pull them all out at once and ALWAYS swap them one at a time. ALWAYS return a perfectly good tube to its original socket. Also it’s a good idea to put the amp on STANDBY when swapping tubes to reduce the heat build up in the tubes themselves and to prevent explosive noises (which can still occur even if you are pulling the tubes away from their sockets gently) from coming through the speaker.
Remember, take your time, be patient and chances are real good that you can fix your amp yourself by finding and replacing the bad tube. It kills us to see someone who has shipped their amp back to us...and all it needed was a simple tube replacement! If you must send back your amp, unplug the power cord, speaker and reverb cables then remove the chassis from the cabinet by unscrewing the four mounting bolts on top. The chassis then slides back like a drawer and comes out. Remove the big power tubes and mark them according to their location from left to right 1, 2 etc. They need to be wrapped separately with plenty of wadded up newspaper around them and put in a smaller box within the larger carton. To wrap the chassis, use plenty of tightly wadded up newspaper so there is at least six inches of “crush space” between the chassis and the cardboard box. Bubble wrap also works well, but please DON’T use styrene peanuts - they will shift during transit and get lodged inside your electronics as well as allowing your amp to end up at the bottom of the box unprotected and possibly damaged.
Pre-amp tubes don’t normally wear out as a rule. Therefore, it is not a good idea to change them just for the sake of changing them. If there isn’t a problem - don’t fix it. If there is no
result from your substitutions, it may be possible that you have more than one problematic tube. Though rare, this does happen and though it makes the troubleshooting process a little more intimidating, it is still possible to cure the problem yourself. NOTE: It is normal to hear a slight metallic ringing sound when tapping on the preamp tubes. As long as the tube does not break intooscillation or start crackling or any other form of bizzare noise, it is considered normal and functional.

Diezel VH4

2.3.3 Causes for Faulty Tubes
There are different reasons for failing tubes. Often tubes fail prematurely due to strong
vibrations. Tubes are very sensitive to mechanical impacts and vibrations, such as happen when transporting an amplifier or unloading/loading etc. The inside filaments of a tube deform easily and will cause a short inside the tube, resulting in it’s early demise. This is why we cannot extend our warranty to the tubes. A relatively new, but defective tube can be replaced by a matching unit, no need to replace the entire set. (Unless you want to, which is always a good solution) This is not age or wear related, but accidental damage. Tube Failure due to normal wear and old age is also a common cause. If this is the case, then it makes more sense to replace the entire tube set with a matched quartet. Testing has proven that matched sets last longer and are more reliable than mismatched sets. Also, if one tube of a matched set fails after a few years, then the general status of the remaining tubes is no longer a secret, because the tubes in a matched set will wear evenly, and at the same rate. Yes - this means that the
remaining tubes are likely to fail very soon and it is time for a new set of matched tubes.
The aging process is a slow depletion of the anode’s coating (Wolfram). The more power the tube has to produce, the quicker this coating wears off.


Soldano
Most of the problems that we hear about with amps are due to the tubes—and are pretty straightforward to fix. Close to 90% of the problems that people call us about are due to tubes—or tube sockets. Sometimes they get dirty and mucked up. (Tubes get very hot and can burn you, of course; don’t touch them when they are hot.)
With the amp on, wiggle the tubes a little to alter the contact points. If this recreates or stops the noise, you have isolated the problem tube (or socket). If it doesn’t, turn the amp off and let the tubes cool. Then pull and reinsert each tube several times to try to establish better contact. Test the amp after you adjust each tube to see if you have found the problem.
Hopefully, this will fix the problem or determine the tube that needs to be replaced. If you have pinpointed a problem tube, but not fixed it, you probably need to replace the faulty tube.
How do I determine if my preamp tubes or my output tubes need to be changed?
If you're experiencing a lack of bottom end and power, it's probably your output tubes. If you're hearing strange sounds coming from your amplifier, turn your gain section up in volume, and slowly turn the master volume down. If the noises persist after the master volume has been turned down, it's an output tube. If the noises go away after turning the master volume down, it's an input tube.
How often should I change my tubes?
Tubes are like light bulbs—they could go out at any time. Generally, if you're playing hard, tube life can be anywhere from six months to a year, although we've seen tubes last much longer than that. Preamp tubes can last indefinitely. Good quality tubes are the key to keeping your amplifier working great. Should you start to experience strange noises, microphonic squealing, hiss, or other strange and unwanted phenomena, check your preamp tubes. One of them may need replacement.
If strange noises do appear, unplug your guitar cord from the input to help isolate the problem and switch to the Overdrive Channel. Then, turn the Overdrive Channel’s Volume Control to ‘0.’ If the noises go away, it is likely that a preamp tube is at fault. If the noises persist, you probably have an Output tube that needs to be replaced.
What kind of tubes are in my Soldano amp?
We use 12AX7preamp tubes and 5881 power tubes.
What should I do to be prepared for tube problems?
You should keep a couple of good spare 12AX7 preamp tubes around at all times for any tube amplifier. This will save you a lot of trouble when you do need them. If you suspect that one of the tubes in your amp may be faulty, replace it with a known good tube and see if that alleviates the problem. If not, replace the original tube and try swapping out the next 12AX7 in the signal chain.
As with the preamp tubes, it is important to always keep a spare 5881 output tubes on hand. This will save you much time and frustration when replacement is needed.
Beware! In certain instances, you may actually run into two microphonic tubes and have to replace them both so do not overlook this possibility. Also, just because you purchased a brand new 12AX7 does not mean that it is not microphonic. Make sure you test the tube to make sure that it is in fact good. The best way to do this—presuming you don’t have access to a tube tester—is to swap out your tubes with spares when your amp is working fine. That way, if one of the spares is faulty, you will know it immediately.
 
bruce egnater":115px9kk said:
Sorry, I just could not sit idle while being accused of caring more about making money than making good gear. Below you can see how cold hearted and deceitful many other companies are, too. These are pages directly from their respective owner's manuals. I like to think of us as being as open and helpful as possible. There is no conspiracy here. We don't keep secrets and really do care about everyone who owns any of our stuff. I find it interesting (strange) that offering useful information in our manuals and Technotes (at egnateramps.com) is viewed by some as somehow covering our butts by coming right out and admitting we make junk that we know will fail. I recently did a number of training sessions for Guitar Center employees so that they could better understand our products. At those sessions, I was told more than once that our owner's manuals are viewed as the defacto" amp manuals that other companies should follow because of all the useful information we provide. Please note that many amps do not have a separate fuse for the power tubes. Consequently, if a power tube does blow, it can often damage other things inside because the SloBlo Main fuse needs to blow to protect the amp. Notice the term SLoBLo, which means that fuse can hold for quite a long time before it blows, even when a tube is severly shorted. Having the additional low current fuse clearly helps protect the amp against a shorted tube quicker and more efficiently than waiting for the Main fuse to blow even though it may seem like a nuisance to some folks..

I think most people get that. I just bought a renegade head a few weeks back and while reading through the manual I really got the sense that this was a company that cared about their product. It made me feel good about my purchase. Although not as good as when I plugged the thing in and fired it up. I'm in love with the sounds coming from it!
 
Finally, here's some feedback on currently produced tubes.

http://www.svvintageamps.com/tubes.php

My in-house test data has shown GT to have one of the lowest fallout rates of tubes that don’t (huh? -DG) meet my standards. GT’s, JJ’s, TAD’s, and Russian Tung-Sol 5881 & 6V6’s, and Mullard tubes have been running around 2% fallout rate, EH tubes around 5% to 10% and Sovtek and SED-C tubes around 15%. I’ve suffered through fallout rates of between 25% to 45% for most Chinese branded tubes … I don’t carry these brands anymore!

I don't know anything about SV amps but it sounds like he does some thorough testing. It is interesting to note the "fallout" figures from the companies he purchases from as these have already been tested by GT, TAD etc. We purchase pretested tubes from Ruby and then retest ourselves using our own, custom designed and built test system. We do find quite a bit of "fallout" during our testing and those go back to Ruby for inspection. They actually do care, too! The failures (shorts) are caused by the physical elements inside the tube moving and touching another piece that they should not contact. We even go so far as to firmly "tap" on every tube with a rubber handle tool to check for mechanical integrity. After our products leave the factory, get shipped in a container across the ocean, bounced onto a truck and delivered to our warehouse, we unbox and retest every amp. Then they get reboxed and shipped (UPS) to the stores. That is a lot of handling even after they leave our hands. If something fails (a tube?) long after we final test and ship, it usually can be attributed to some rough handling during shipping that can, of course, jar the tubes and cause potential problems later on. Also, I am not sure when this was written by SV, but GrooveTubes has been gone for quite a while now. A side note: When we first introduced the Tourmaster model a few years ago, we had terrible trouble with JJ preamp tube failures in the field even though, at the time, JJ 12AX7 tubes were highly regarded and we paid quite a bit extra for them and the testing. . We actually paid GrooveTubes to test our tubes and we still had an outrageous number of 12AX7 tubes fail days, weeks and months later after customers owned them for a while. Some of the bad Egnater rap came from that JJ disaster from a few years ago. FYI, we switched to Sovtek 12AX7WA and the problems went away.
 
BGG":1ct5dfem said:
Well guys I've just been to GuitarGuitar in Newcastle (UK)

Firstly I was playing a Tweaker with one of the new USA Tyler Variax guitars WOW having heard all the youtube demos and clips I have to say they just don't do it any justice.
The range of sounds in this thing was amazing, not digital at all, the guitars were superb, the altered tunings worked real well and it was a superb guitar to play, neck was a bit chunky for me at the top, but fab all the same.
Thought the Tweaker was nice, lots of options and tones to be had but maybe a bit bright and tight for me.

The Rebel 30 however, my main reason for visiting totally sold me ... WHAT AN AMP !! The cleans were rich and full and warm, the gain was nice and compressed (which I like) and bags of sustain, the notes were singing. I loved this amp, so much I'm getting a Rebel 30 and two 1x12's on the next shipment in March.

One of THE best sounding amps I've played in a long time .... my Cornford rig is history now :)

Nice one, Ainsley. I'm not surprised though, the rebel 30 is an incredible amp.

In fact, it turned me into a total Egnater geek. Last week, I traded my beloved Mesa Road King for a Renegade, after a short affair with a Tourmaster. I consider the Renegade a higher [powered Rebel. It's different and has more gig friendly features, but it's definitely out of the same school of tone.

Sure, I worry about reliability problems, I have had minor issues with my Rebel in rehearsal situations.
And I hope I never come across something bad during a gig. But for one thing, I trust that the good folks at Egnater are working on resolving any serious problems. And second, the tone that my amps produce, and their versatility make them the greatest amps I've ever owned.
 
I bought my Rebel 30 combo when it was first released (August 2009?) and I had a noise problem related to the JJ tubes inside. I contacted Egnater, they sent me a set of Rubys which cured the problem. I'm still running the amp with the same tubes and its been problem free ever since. I also have a Rebel 30 head that I bought in late 2009 and I've never had a problem with it. I always take both with me to gigs because in the event that a tube goes bad, I rather swap out the amp rather than take the time to troubleshoot it and figure out which tube might be bad. Fortunately I've never had a need to use the backup amp.
 
One more thought.....Of course if you can afford and have a spare amp to carry with you, that clearly is the best solution. Not everyone has that luxury so spare tubes/fuses may be the next best insurance. I know many players who do not carry spare amps to gigs, even when they are touring which, of course, is insane and flirting with disaster, but it happens. The information we give you is to help in situations where you have no choice but to make your main gear work. Even if you do carry a spare amp, wouldn't it be nice to be able to troubleshoot yourself instead of paying a shop a bunch of money just to replace a bad tube? I repaired an amp for the Chili Peppers who were on a huge US tour. The guitar player had his main amp and one spare (Marshall Major 200 watt heads). His main amp went down so they were using their only spare while traveling. They had to wait to get to a "big city" (we are near Detroit) to find someone to fix the broken one. I was amazed to find out that the guitar tech did not know how to change a tube or a fuse in an amp. What if the spare had failed??? All that was wrong was a bad power tube and a blown fuse. How crazy were they to hope the only amp he had would hold out until they could find someone to fix it!! Wouldn't they have benefited from the information on how to troubleshoot and fix the amp?
 
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