Recording with the Egnater?

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richedie

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Does anyone record direct with their Egnater? I have gotten into home recording but can not crank an amp where I live. I thought of getting a used Line 6 for recording, or something similar. However, I am buying a Tour Master cab and installing the mic eliminator. Will this solve this problem or will the amp still need to be cranked?

Right now I use the built in amp simulators included with my software. The cleans are really nice the dirty tones sound too processed.
 
richedie":1plif85t said:
Does anyone record direct with their Egnater? I have gotten into home recording but can not crank an amp where I live. I thought of getting a used Line 6 for recording, or something similar. However, I am buying a Tour Master cab and installing the mic eliminator. Will this solve this problem or will the amp still need to be cranked?

Right now I use the built in amp simulators included with my software. The cleans are really nice the dirty tones sound too processed.
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Mic eliminators just eliminate mics. It basically takes the tone from your power amp and runs it through a filter designed by bruce to simulate a SM57 and a MD421 mic on a Vintage 30 mic. You still need a load on the amp and signal being driven into the speakers to make this work. What you need honestly is a Palmer PDI-03 for home recording, or some sort of isolation cabinet like a Grendel Dead Room, Randall Iso cab, Rivera Silent Sister, or a PDI-03.

FWIW, I do have a Grendel Dead Room I'll sell you with a celestion speaker for $250 + shipping. i have two at the moment.

Eric
 
Thanks Eric,

How does that Dead Room work? Speaker in an acoustically dead or silenced box? I am guessing you run the Egnater into this, but how does it get form the box to the recorder? Would still need mics, no?

Heck, it would be cheaper just grabbing a modeller for recording. I love my Egnater live but for recording at home, I thikn I am cool with modellers. Now, wwhen we record a demo, we'll use my drummer's studio and crank the egnater.
 
richedie":159iwfv7 said:
Thanks Eric,

How does that Dead Room work? Speaker in an acoustically dead or silenced box? I am guessing you run the Egnater into this, but how does it get form the box to the recorder? Would still need mics, no?

Heck, it would be cheaper just grabbing a modeller for recording. I love my Egnater live but for recording at home, I thikn I am cool with modellers. Now, wwhen we record a demo, we'll use my drummer's studio and crank the egnater.
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It's a speaker in a acoustically dead box where I use 2 mics to record my clips. All of my clips I have ever posted I've used a Dead Room to record with. I use either 2 SM57s or 2 Beta 57s to record. I'd never want to use a modeler to record...when layering a lot with modelers (AxeFX I do not consider a modeler btw) I've always had issues with mid-range with lots of layering. Annoying raspy mid-range. But that's me.

Eric
 
I know what you mean man but then I would have a lot more to buy, plus good mics are expensive!

I guess with the Tour Master I could record direct out of the back of the head.
 
I don't have any room right now in our place for a speaker box so the Palmer PDI-09 or 03 would have to do the trick. I guess with this I would not need to crank the amp.
 
In a way this sounds to me like the typical guitar player way of thinking, one I fall prey to all of the time: "I have a problem so I need more equipment."

It's tougher to think about subtracting stuff rather then adding it, but that is often the way to go.

I have succesfully recorded with the Tourmaster line out. It is a bit noisy, but a noise gate in the recorder handled that.

Last weekend I succesfully did some recording by sticking the amp in a closet and in a bathroom. That reduces the noise and the bleed through to other mikes a lot.

Try sticking a box or a blanket over it. Like a cheap isolation booth.

Get a little creative and I bet you can solve your problem without buying a bunch of equipment.

If you use the line out you still have sound coming out of the speakers.

;) :D :yes: :thumbsup:
 
aeroic":2zp5rla4 said:
You still need a load on the amp and signal being driven into the speakers to make this work.
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Can't you just places a hotplate to load or any other sort of dummy load to use the mic eliminator for silent recording? Same with the Palmer PDI-09/the junction?
 
I record with the "mic eliminator" direct into my roland 16/24 studio and get great tone at low volumes. I have been very impressed doing it this way. I would like a Grendel Cab so I could crank the amp and get more tube break up .
 
jlbaxe":26bo6d1n said:
I record with the "mic eliminator" direct into my roland 16/24 studio and get great tone at low volumes. I have been very impressed doing it this way. I would like a Grendel Cab so I could crank the amp and get more tube break up .
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Cool, I was hoping to try this as well. When i get the TourMaster and get the ME installed, I'll let you all know. Sure, it may not be as good as a cranked amp but still better than the built in amp sims found in most recorders or PODs, etc.
 
richedie":jys79u8s said:
jlbaxe":jys79u8s said:
I record with the "mic eliminator" direct into my roland 16/24 studio and get great tone at low volumes. I have been very impressed doing it this way. I would like a Grendel Cab so I could crank the amp and get more tube break up .
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Cool, I was hoping to try this as well. When i get the TourMaster and get the ME installed, I'll let you all know. Sure, it may not be as good as a cranked amp but still better than the built in amp sims found in most recorders or PODs, etc.
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Yeah...I'd do that and get a Hot plate so you can get that cranked tone at lower levels for apartment usage. Secondly it'd give you something to jam on at your apartment at lower volumes!

Eric
 
It's actually a condo we own, but you know how that goes - glorified appartment! Ha.
The place is pretty tight soundwise but I still hate to crank since when the family is home, it would be annoying for everyone. Hopefully we'll have that nice house by next year with a music room or basement! :thumbsup:
 
So forgive me for sounding like a bit of a noob but what is this "mic eliminator" you guys are talking about. Is it a mod that Bruce came up with for a cabinet? Interested because I've got a Rebel 20, live in a tiny apartment and would love to have a "line out-ish" type option for recording...
 
briguy73":2t6hjnh1 said:
So forgive me for sounding like a bit of a noob but what is this "mic eliminator" you guys are talking about. Is it a mod that Bruce came up with for a cabinet? Interested because I've got a Rebel 20, live in a tiny apartment and would love to have a "line out-ish" type option for recording...
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The mic eliminator is a speaker jack option Bruce designed for Randall. It basically acts as a filter that emulates a SM57 and a MD421 mic'ing a Vintage 30. Has switches for dark tones, normal tones, and bright tones. It's not a "line out" in the sense you can record 100% silent. It basically has 2 XLR outputs (for stereo applications...like on a 4x12 cabinet that Randall makes) that you can send to FOH at a gig...your preamp for recording...etc.

Looks like this:

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can the mic eliminator be placed in a box, like the pdi-09, or would I have to install it into the speaker jack?

I'd like to use that, or a pdi-09, from the slave out of the mod 50 to record what we play during practice.
 
just but one, you know u want it. It goes with Egnater randall stuff Soooooooooooooo. :D hey Broknstuff havent seen ya posting much lately. :(
 
looks like I'll talk to Jeff about that then.

Yeah I've been a bit M.I.A....I got this new job and a lot of things going on in my life that's just grinding me down and leaving me with no free time. But no worries, I'm still loving my mod seriesbas much as the day I got it :rock:
 
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