Recording with the Egnater?

[richedie]

The Dead Room would be cheaper than the Palmer. The only thing about always using my Mod 50 to record is having to change power tubes depending on the recording if I want a more authentic Fender vs, Marshall, etc.

I still want a Tour Master soon but can't afford both till later this spring....plus nobody wants to buuy my Boa cab at a steal to free up some cash.

I could always use a Fractal Audio Axe-FX. Ha, can't afford one right now.

 

[aeroic]

The Dead Room would be cheaper than the Palmer. The only thing about always using my Mod 50 to record is having to change power tubes depending on the recording if I want a more authentic Fender vs, Marshall, etc.

I still want a Tour Master soon but can't afford both till later this spring....plus nobody wants to buuy my Boa cab at a steal to free up some cash.

I could always use a Fractal Audio Axe-FX. Ha, can't afford one right now.

I hear ya bro. I'm surprised my Scumbacks up for sale haven't gone bye bye yet. But oh well.

Eric

 

[Audioholic]

I think the potential for using Cab IR's are much better then a palmer or any speaker compensated output, at least the ones I have tried. Though it may take a little while to find some good IR's, some of them sound amazing. Just need a cab simulator software that loads in ir's, ( I think revalver does) or a reverb that loads in impulse responces (altiverb for example)

I sometimes use my axe fx for cab sims, taking the line out of my RM4. its honestly a great, quick way to lay down some tracks, and with the right IR, it can sound pretty dang awesome.

 

[aeroic]

I think the potential for using Cab IR's are much better then a palmer or any speaker compensated output, at least the ones I have tried. Though it may take a little while to find some good IR's, some of them sound amazing. Just need a cab simulator software that loads in ir's, ( I think revalver does) or a reverb that loads in impulse responces (altiverb for example)

I sometimes use my axe fx for cab sims, taking the line out of my RM4. its honestly a great, quick way to lay down some tracks, and with the right IR, it can sound pretty dang awesome.

I agree.... i did like the AxeFX for that. I'll probably get another AxeFX sometime in the future to do that. send the output of my rig (the normal L/R outs going to the power amp) to the AxeFX for recording direct. The Cab sims in it are really good w/ 7.x firmware. Right now I'm really happy with my Grendel Dead Room MkII w/ a G12T75 and either 2 SM57s, 2 Beta 57s, or 1 of each.

Eric

 

[richedie]

What is an IR???

I tell you, you guys really have me tempted on getting the Fractal rather than get a Randall 100 watt head or the new Egnater 1U. That with a power amp could be a sweet second rig.

How are you liking the Fractal, Eric? Used it with a band yet without the Mods?

 

[aeroic]

How are you liking the Fractal, Eric? Used it with a band yet without the Mods?

donbarzini owns my AxeFX. I really liked it, but for what I bought it for at the time, it was overkill. For live situations I really like my M4 preamp w/ VHT 2/90/2 and Lexicon MPXG2. Therefore, I sold it, and am going to continue building my M4 rig w/ my MPXG2, a Line 6 Mod Pro, Line 6 Filter Pro, a Decimator Pro Rack G, and a CAE Line Mixer so I can put all my efx in a line mixer for parallel efx loop stuff. I'm married to that MPXG2 man! I just know that fucker so well..it's so hard to move to anything else. Someday I'll get a 2290 though!

I'll own another AxeFX someday...but I have other things I'd rather get between now and then.

Eric

 

[Audioholic]

What is an IR???

I tell you, you guys really have me tempted on getting the Fractal rather than get a Randall 100 watt head or the new Egnater 1U. That with a power amp could be a sweet second rig.

How are you liking the Fractal, Eric? Used it with a band yet without the Mods?

an IR is short for impulse responce. And basically what that is, is a recording of a real space, sending a signal through whatever, capturing it, and then the frequency responce that you captured is what you will be hearing when you use them. So really you can record an impulse responce from tons of stuff, some high end digital verbs are using impulse responces to simulate real room environments and the like. in the case of using them for guitar, you can record your favorite guitar cab, and with the appropriate software, route your preamps through that and theoretically it will respond the same as your real cab will. Honestly, using them for cab sims is pretty amazing. The fractal audio axe fx uses impulse responces for cab sims, but it also allows 10 user uploaded spots. There are a few user ir's out there that honestly sound very open, and real in comparison to any digital sim I have used (and analog simulated output). you can almost hear the room in some of them, pretty awesome. I have used my RM$ going into the axe fx and used thier IR's to way better success then I have had with the palmer 03 (and o4), for a few reasons, like the ability to use a stereo cab, assign 2 different speakers etc etc, actually sounded like it had more life then the palmer.

here is a very quick clip I did just testing out using IR;s with my analong pre'. I have posted this before sorry if its old.

http://www.energiestudios.com/Files/Ran ... %20Sim.mp3


I think revalver has the ability to load in ir's, and some of thier cabs sound pretty good based off of clips, its a cheaper way to get into using IR's, cheaper then an axe fx, or palmer, as long as you can take a line out.


Recording a real speaker often times can be amazing, though its not garunteed to sound great, but with a good speaker and proper micing, you can capture that moving air more then a simulated device can, which sometimes is what adds that life. though some cab ir's can sound pretty alive.

 

[jlbaxe]

2290

 

[aeroic]

2290

When can I borrow yours or Gene's!!

Eric

 

[jlbaxe]

Nothing personal but who ever tries to get it will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands along with my gun. Its the most AMAZING delay/chorus/flange/panner EVER! If i had the spare cash for a second one i would buy it just to have it.

 

[aeroic]

Nothing personal but who ever tries to get it will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands along with my gun. Its the most AMAZING delay/chorus/flange/panner EVER! If i had the spare cash for a second one i would buy it just to have it.

Someday I'll try one!

 

[Orren]

The fractal audio axe fx uses impulse responces for cab sims, but it also allows 10 user uploaded spots....I think revalver has the ability to load in ir's, and some of thier cabs sound pretty good based off of clips

Just wanted to add three things to your excellent post:

1) In fact, nearly all of the guitar amp simulators out there use IR for cabinets. Guitar Rig, Amplitube, Waves GTR, Guitar Amp Pro (Logic), etc. It's really the best way to capture the specific sonic characteristics of a space, and a "cabinet" is a space like any other.

2) You don't need a guitar amp simulator plug-in to run an IR of a speaker cabinet. Any processor, such as a "convolution reverb" that can load impulse responses can be a "speaker simulator." For example, I have in the past used both AltiVerb and Space Designer (included in Logic) with IRs that I've made of my own speaker cabinets as my "speaker."

3) You can make IRs of your own speaker cabinet, if you have a digital recording system, and a processor capable of doing deconvolution. I have, for example, used the deconvolution application included with AltiVerb, for example.

Oh, and if you have Logic Studio, I have used the Impulse Response Utility to make IRs of my speaker cabinet, and the included documentation for the Impulse Response Utility explains how to make an IR from your speaker cabinet....coincidence??

Orren

 

[richedie]

Does anyone record direct with their Egnater? I have gotten into home recording but can not crank an amp where I live. I thought of getting a used Line 6 for recording, or something similar. However, I am buying a Tour Master cab and installing the mic eliminator. Will this solve this problem or will the amp still need to be cranked?

Right now I use the built in amp simulators included with my software. The cleans are really nice the dirty tones sound too processed.

Mic eliminators just eliminate mics. It basically takes the tone from your power amp and runs it through a filter designed by bruce to simulate a SM57 and a MD421 mic on a Vintage 30 mic. You still need a load on the amp and signal being driven into the speakers to make this work. What you need honestly is a Palmer PDI-03 for home recording, or some sort of isolation cabinet like a Grendel Dead Room, Randall Iso cab, Rivera Silent Sister, or a PDI-03.

FWIW, I do have a Grendel Dead Room I'll sell you with a celestion speaker for $250 + shipping. i have two at the moment.

Eric

Ya know, lately I have been recording a lot and am struggling get what I like with my amp modellers(Zoom and Johnson J Station). I really need to have the ability to record the Egnater. The Palmer sounds great as does the direct out. But, right now the most economical and most immediate for me could be the Grendel. This should give me the ability to crank at home and record my entire rig, rack effects and all.

Eventually I'll have a cab with the mic eliminater but that still doesn't solve the volume issue.

I guess the cheapest would be to buy a mic eliminater and install it into one of my cabs now - and just deal with the lower volume of the amp.

 

[EWSEthan]

Can you guys share some tips on getting a great recorded tone from EG5? I can get great tones from SL2, but whenever we record EG5 for rhythms, it sounds like an abrasive, staticy mess. And no, we arent using too much gain.

 

[aeroic]

Can you guys share some tips on getting a great recorded tone from EG5? I can get great tones from SL2, but whenever we record EG5 for rhythms, it sounds like an abrasive, staticy mess. And no, we arent using too much gain.

Well...I've had TONS of great results recording it w/ G12T75s...and either 2 SM57s or Beta 57s. The EG5 really likes T75s and CL80s and 6550 power tubes. IMHO that combo was made for that module!