Reverb bans Pussy Melter pedal and I got attacked by SJWs

[romanianreaper]

Well this certainly escalated quickly....

LOL!! I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Racerxrated]

I guess the ban hammer came even more quickly than I thought...lol

 

[EXPcustom]

The Nazi or should I say National Socialists were socialists. I get it you probably got fed biased info especially if you are using Medium.com as a source.

Nazi were very Anti-Communist but they were very socialist but not the Marx type of socialism. See they put up the facade of capitalism but if you were a major company like Krupps Stahl, Porsche, Mercedes you had to "play ball" with the Nazi party otherwise you would not get the lucrative contracts that were needed to remain profitable under their rule. Also the state had final say so on how you used resources not the business owner. This was also a form of Crony Capitalism, if you are a private entity you got to play by the rules, think the same way, or you're excluded, sound familiar?

The Nazi government tells these seeming entrepreneurs or established companies what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds.

As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism.

If you ever bought any WWII artifacts from Germany you can see the proofs on all items had to be stamped by the government quality assurance authority before they could be sold.

Lets not forget the social programs the Nazis had established. Everything from government planned vacations to a standardized workers vehicle once you got your little book of stamps filled after being a good civil servant.

So you're still going to tell me the Nazi party was right wing and the socialist name in the party is just there for show?

1) You want to discredit my WHOLE post by 'invalidating' just 1 of the links I've provided?
Please inform me what's wrong with medium.com ? I just grabbed some links that came up with 'are nazi's left wing'.

2) You failed to comment at my 2nd link completely (probably because it was a solid one with a different opinion... Anyway...

Also, just because a government controls everything, that doesn't equal socialism per se. It equals dictatorship for one.

But sure, here's some more arguments for ya:
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism- ... y/10214302
quote:
Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party - particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The "socialism" in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, but they refused to take the bait.

2nd quote that shows a whole different light on your point about big companies is interesting too:
For their part, businesses welcomed the Nazis' promises to suppress the left. On 20 February 1933, Hitler and Goering met with a large group of industrialists when Hitler declared that democracy and business were incompatible and that the workers needed to be dragged away from socialism. He promised bold action to protect their businesses and property from communism. The industrialists - including leading figures from I.G. Farben, Hoesch, Krupp, Siemens, Allianz and other senior mining and manufacturing groups - then contributed more than two million Reichsmarks to the Nazi election fund, with Goering tellingly suggesting that this would probably be the last election for a hundred years. Business leadership happily jettisoned democracy to rid Germany of socialism and to smash organised labour.

Some more:
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
Quote: Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934.

Quote 2:
Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.

And finally (for the kill ) a fact check that actually addresses YOUR biased view:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/ ... ocialists/
Quote #1:
Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism.
Quote #2:
What Nazism Stood For
The National Socialists completely ignored socialism’s primary aim (replacing the existing class-based society with an egalitarian one in which workers owned the means of production) and substituted their own topsy-turvy agenda, Evans writes, “replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader”:


So please tell me how is Nazism either 'left' or 'socialist' again?


Cue another 'your links are worthless, blabla.' comment (by someone who provides 0 links himself...tsk tsk)

Can we please agree on the Pussy Melter situation at hand?

Oh yes do I really need to say that theconversation.com is a left leaning bias site?

Look we can agree to disagree, the only thing in my opinion is that when it comes to Nationalism the Nazi's were vehement xenophobes and racists. This is what comes with the "Right Wing" label.

Your in Europe and you have so many great books of first hand accounts of the war at that time. I have to wait for a translation in English on lots of these books that I really want to read. It saddens me that you use bias American sources like Snopes and medium.com. I'll just be honest American public education is shit, I'm glad I went to private schools but even those are lacking. When it comes to history I prefer the accounts of actual historians and their opinions or published first hand accounts.

I think the mistake most people make is looking at past politics like it can just be defined and put into a box and apply it to how we view politics today.

You know the Nazis were the first to pass conservation laws when it comes to wildlands and animals. They had great social programs especially for single moms. There was no free market and they hated American Capitalism because they viewed it as corrupted by the Jews and referring to the New Deal as the Jew Deal. They were also not for less taxes and less government. Opposite of a fiscally conservative right wing government ideology.

Some of the biggest Social programs in the Reich occurred after 1934. Europe back then had multiple flavors of Communist and Socialist parties, it was a little more complex than just simply stating left or right.

As for the "Pussy Melter" pedal, I don't care for the P word. I think it's a bit off color. It's Reverb's business and their rules. I think the problem is now Google, Youtube and all these platforms are self censoring to play along with an ideology that if you don't like then you are banned. Problem is that when someone tries to start their own platform their hosting is terminated and the business fails because there was never a chance. Thus allowing the narrative to be controlled so within a generation or two you have an entire population that is all on the same page so to speak. I don't really see that as a good thing do you?

 

[Racerxrated]

"I think the mistake most people make is looking at past politics like it can just be defined and put into a box and apply it to how we view politics today."

This right here. End/debate.

 

[Speeddemon]

As for the "Pussy Melter" pedal, I don't care for the P word. I think it's a bit off color. It's Reverb's business and their rules. I think the problem is now Google, Youtube and all these platforms are self censoring to play along with an ideology that if you don't like then you are banned. Problem is that when someone tries to start their own platform their hosting is terminated and the business fails because there was never a chance. Thus allowing the narrative to be controlled so within a generation or two you have an entire population that is all on the same page so to speak. I don't really see that as a good thing do you?

Why end on a rhetorical question when it was already established we're in agreement regarding the ridicule surrounding this pedal and Reverb's antics?

 

[EXPcustom]

As for the "Pussy Melter" pedal, I don't care for the P word. I think it's a bit off color. It's Reverb's business and their rules. I think the problem is now Google, Youtube and all these platforms are self censoring to play along with an ideology that if you don't like then you are banned. Problem is that when someone tries to start their own platform their hosting is terminated and the business fails because there was never a chance. Thus allowing the narrative to be controlled so within a generation or two you have an entire population that is all on the same page so to speak. I don't really see that as a good thing do you?

Why end on a rhetorical question when it was already established we're in agreement regarding the ridicule surrounding this pedal and Reverb's antics?

It's not a rhetorical question, do you really think having everyone or the majority of the population in agreement with a single ideology is a good thing. Even if it is one you agree with?

Personally I don't, I think there should be dissident even if it is vitriolic and hateful. Everyone should have a voice even if it is unpopular. It should not be censored.

 

[Speeddemon]

As for the "Pussy Melter" pedal, I don't care for the P word. I think it's a bit off color. It's Reverb's business and their rules. I think the problem is now Google, Youtube and all these platforms are self censoring to play along with an ideology that if you don't like then you are banned. Problem is that when someone tries to start their own platform their hosting is terminated and the business fails because there was never a chance. Thus allowing the narrative to be controlled so within a generation or two you have an entire population that is all on the same page so to speak. I don't really see that as a good thing do you?

Why end on a rhetorical question when it was already established we're in agreement regarding the ridicule surrounding this pedal and Reverb's antics?

It's not a rhetorical question, do you really think having everyone or the majority of the population in agreement with a single ideology is a good thing. Even if it is one you agree with?

Personally I don't, I think there should be dissident even if it is vitriolic and hateful. Everyone should have a voice even if it is unpopular. It should not be censored.

That's a whole different matter. And if you're advocating for a voice of dissent that's based/rooted in hate, just for the sake of having dissent, I would disagree.
If folks are truly in agreement with something, if a grand majority (I'm not talking 51%...) are totally on the same page, why would you want to go against that in a hateful way? The problem here as you described in your last two sentences is that there's a current growing narrative going a certain way. And by opposing that, we are sometimes unfairly shut down, ridiculed, etc. (e.g. 'All Steel Panther fans are trump-supporting racists'). Should that be opposed? Definitely. But the opposition of the warped sense of reality of a few in itself isn't based on hate or vitriol. Sure, there are morons out there that will use such tactics, throwing oil on the fire, but I like to believe there are still plenty smart, senseful folks, even in younger demographics, that will just shrug this whole ordeal off. "Really? Are you 'offended' by a pedal name? We had powerful female role models in the 60's/70's like Grace Slick and Janis Joplin...didn't hear them complain about something silly as the Big Muff name, when there were actual matters far more important to be offended about or to fight for."

I get that there can be no good without evil (how else to define good?) etc, but the matter at hand was how we are in disagreement with a MINORITY that is pushing for a certain level of censorship, based on false accusations. Therefore our opinion (i.e. 'we do NOT believe the 'Feline Liquifier' promotes violence ) has merit. It's not a merely voice of dissent for the sake of dissent only; it's common sense, not at all rooted in hate/vitriol. We're saying "don't get your panties (or boxers) in a bunch over a silly pedal name. Don't promote censorship when it doesn't suit your sense of humor (or apparent lack thereof)."

 

[stephen sawall]

I was in GC with a friend looking at used pedals. The young women working there (I won't use her name) overheard our conversation and asked me if I had a Swollen Pickle. I explained to her it's similar to a Big Muff. As I was doing this she was intentionally distracting me with T&A. You can only imagine how offended and confused I was.

 

[311splawndude]

I really don't see what the big deal is but I agree that social media is dumbing people down.

(not talking about most of us Rig Talkers - just society in general)

PS: I thought the name Big Muff was a joke reference to a girl with lots of pubic hair
It's not really offensive...just shave it off.

 

[stephen sawall]

Muff and pussy mean the same thing.
Why SJW are interested in the Pussy Melter and not all the other gear with offensive names who knows ?

 

[japetus]

Muff and pussy mean the same thing.
Why SJW are interested in the Pussy Melter and not all the other gear with offensive names who knows ?

For the same reason a crackhead smokes the nearest crack to them....they want to be offended so badly that they jump on the first thing that comes along. It doesn't matter what it is. If they have a chance to be offended, they run with it.

 

[vultures]

I was in GC with a friend looking at used pedals. The young women working there (I won't use her name) overheard our conversation and asked me if I had a Swollen Pickle. I explained to her it's similar to a Big Muff. As I was doing this she was intentionally distracting me with T&A. You can only imagine how offended and confused I was.

Well.. Do you have a Swollen Pickle?

 

[stephen sawall]

I was in GC with a friend looking at used pedals. The young women working there (I won't use her name) overheard our conversation and asked me if I had a Swollen Pickle. I explained to her it's similar to a Big Muff. As I was doing this she was intentionally distracting me with T&A. You can only imagine how offended and confused I was.

Well.. Do you have a Swollen Pickle?

Yes and several Big Muff.