Russia deploys hypersonic ‘Oreshnik’ ballistic missile

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Dumbasses. Retrofitting Navy Destroyers to house batteries of missiles that don't even exist. 🤣 🤣
 
Your sources are something else brother.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Postol

According to The Telegraph, Postol has spent much of his career "trying to make sure that the U.S. doesn't build ballistic missile defences".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Postol#cite_note-11"><span>[</span></a>
Here's the telegraph's bald assertion:

The Pentagon claimed the Patriots shot down most of the Iraqi rockets. A year later, however, Massachusetts Institute of Technology scientist Ted Postol analyzed videos of most of the alleged shoot-downs and arrived at a startling conclusion. “We found no convincing evidence in the video that any Scud warhead was destroyed by a Patriot,” Postol told a U.S. House of Representatives committee. It should be borne in mind that Postol has spent much of his career trying to make sure that the U.S. doesn’t build ballistic missile defences, so he would never be likely to say anything good about the Patriot, but even so his criticism had a powerful effect.

I mean, WTF?! Not only does this not make sense in the context, there is no sourced basis for the claim. If you read his Wikipedia bio, you can see he is imminently qualified to comment. I suspect it is just a fabricated smear because he is critical of the regime, making them look bad.

The 2003 war was a black mark on the Patriot’s already spotty reputation. It didn’t help when, in March 2018, Saudi Patriots failed to intercept a barrage of rockets fired from Yemen by Houthi rebels. “It’s nothing but an unbroken trail of disasters with this weapon system,” Postol said at the time.
 
Here's the telegraph's bald assertion:

The Pentagon claimed the Patriots shot down most of the Iraqi rockets. A year later, however, Massachusetts Institute of Technology scientist Ted Postol analyzed videos of most of the alleged shoot-downs and arrived at a startling conclusion. “We found no convincing evidence in the video that any Scud warhead was destroyed by a Patriot,” Postol told a U.S. House of Representatives committee. It should be borne in mind that Postol has spent much of his career trying to make sure that the U.S. doesn’t build ballistic missile defences, so he would never be likely to say anything good about the Patriot, but even so his criticism had a powerful effect.

I mean, WTF?! Not only does this not make sense in the context, there is no sourced basis for the claim. If you read his Wikipedia bio, you can see he is imminently qualified to comment. I suspect it is just a fabricated smear because he is critical of the regime, making them look bad.

The 2003 war was a black mark on the Patriot’s already spotty reputation. It didn’t help when, in March 2018, Saudi Patriots failed to intercept a barrage of rockets fired from Yemen by Houthi rebels. “It’s nothing but an unbroken trail of disasters with this weapon system,” Postol said at the time.
Uh huh. Biden is imminently qualified to be a lawyer too, maybe the republicans ought to give him a cabinet position. Makes the same amount of sense as asking this guy about US weapon capabilities.

At any rate dude, they are outfitting Navy Destroyers to carry hypersonic missiles. Missiles you claim they don't have. And you completely ignored the article about them working ( for a few years now) on a system to take them out when they slow down approaching the target. So you and Jack can keep saying I'm wrong, makes no difference to me.
 
There's other sources. You can check if you want. Convincing you is not a goal of mine. You think the predominant military on the earth is Russian so I'm pretty sure facts won't convince you of anything.

All good, Dude.👍
You believe whatever you want…

After all, What you and I think or believe doesn’t make a shit of difference in the big picture anyways!

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Uh huh. Biden is imminently qualified to be a lawyer too, maybe the republicans ought to give him a cabinet position. Makes the same amount of sense as asking this guy about US weapon capabilities.

At any rate dude, they are outfitting Navy Destroyers to carry hypersonic missiles. Missiles you claim they don't have. And you completely ignored the article about them working ( for a few years now) on a system to take them out when they slow down approaching the target. So you and Jack can keep saying I'm wrong, makes no difference to me.
I don't think the US has a hypersonic ready, because if they did I'm sure they would tout it. I suspect they are close. If and when we see new US game changing tech, like some new defense system, I will update my assessment.

I don't see any reason to dismiss Postol's analysis. It's silly to claim he isn't qualified to comment. His CV is relevant and impressive. And in listening to him he comes across as very credible.
 
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I don't think the US has a hypersonic ready, because if they did I'm sure they would tout it. I suspect they are close. If and when we see new US game changing tech, like some new defense system, I will update my assessment.

I don't see any reason to dismiss Postol's analysis. It's silly to claim he isn't qualified to comment. His CV is relevant and impressive. And in listening to him he comes across as very credible.

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This was in service in 1963. This is literally what something like the Kinzhal is. These missiles have been around for 80 years. People don't know what they are talking about with this boogey man term 'hypersonic.'
 
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This was in service in 1963. This is literally what something like the Kinzhal is. These missiles have been around for 80 years. People don't know what they are talking about with this boogey man term 'hypersonic.'
I'm not so much concerned with the name as the capabilities. Apparently any old ballistic missile at hypersonic speeds is very difficult to intercept, and as you've noted, these have been around a long time. So why aren't they being used in a conventional war? Because they aren't precise. Not only is the Kinzhal precise enough to be used in a conventional setting, it is maneuverable, unlike a regular ballistic missile. These characteristics put it in a new category, regardless the name you want to give it. And FWIW Russia has "True" hypersonics — the Zircon is a scramjet-powered hypersonic cruise missile, while the Avangard is a hypersonic glide vehicle.

At the end of the day, whether you want to call it hypersonic or old tech, the Oreshnik has the destructive power, range and invulnerability to interception that put it in a class of it's own, and IMO that gives Russia the decisive edge in an open conflict with NATO.
 
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For me the "Hype" is not about a new technology. It is about what this tech means in a conflict between NATO and Russia — IE that NATO bases are basically sitting ducks, WITHOUT the use of nukes.
 
For me the "Hype" is not about a new technology. It is about what this tech means in a conflict between NATO and Russia — IE that NATO bases are basically sitting ducks, WITHOUT the use of nukes.

Unfortunately, this is the truth.
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By the bye: both Patriot and SM6 have intercepted orbital ballistic targets…which are a metric F-ton faster than Mach 10.
 
@Laputan Machine I just learned from Mike Benz on Joe Rogan that Russia owns 75 trillion in natural resources, almost double the US, the second highest in the world. As these resources are mostly not privatized, I would think this puts Russia ahead of the US given our 36 or whatever trillion deficit to the 45 trillion in natural resources as a rough estimate. Of course that doesn't account for our housing stock and so on, but most of that is private. So in all, as a rough guide, Russia appears to at least have a stronger asset balance than the US. And so much of the US economy is smoke and mirrors, unlike Russia's commodity and manufacturing base.
 
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